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Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 27588 (Hints)

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There’s a new Monthly Prize Puzzle today!

As is usual for the weekend prize crosswords, an assortment of clues, including some of the more difficult ones, have been selected and hints provided for them.

Don’t forget that you can give your assessment of the puzzle. Five stars if you thought it was great, one if you hated it, four, three or two if it was somewhere in between.

Most of the terms used in these hints are explained in the Glossary and examples are available by clicking on the entry under “See also”. Where the hint describes a construct a “usual” this means that more help can be found in The Usual Suspects, which gives a number of the elements commonly used in the wordplay. Another useful page is Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing, which features words with meanings that are not always immediately obvious.

A full review of this puzzle will be published after the closing date for submissions.

Some hints follow, several of them gleaned from the comments:


6a    Patient‘s protracted agony (4-9)
This adjective meaning patient is a charade of an adjective meaning protracted and agony or discomfort

8a Man‘s great upset before reaching hospital (6)
This man is an anagram (upset) of GREAT before an H(ospital) [Pommers]

9a Cry aloud for one in shellfish’s grip (8)
A three-letter word meaning for followed by I (one) inside (in … grip) a shellfish

11a You should set down in lake and away from the sea (6)
IN from the clue followed by L(ake) and AND

16a Bird from Sweden going to bask (7)
The IVR code for Sweden followed by a verb meaning to bask

24a Atlas, perhaps, setter sent back (3)
Atlas is an example of this legendary superhuman – reverse a (golden?) setter

25a Implication concerning way of speaking (8)
A charade of a four-letter word meaning concerning and a word describing your way of speaking [Pommers]

27a    Money-spinner? (8,5)
A cryptic definition of a device used in a gambling game


1d    Type of bowling that’s not on leg! (8)
A word that means not on or above followed by a different limb to the leg

3d Apres-ski, maybe when it’s less expensive? (7)
Split as (3,4) this could describe where you are when you have finished skiing – it actually means a time when travel is less expensive

5d For him, work is a grind (6)
A weak cryptic definition of someone whose job involves grinding

6d Nerd is in Shakespearean character on course, moving student (7,6)
Put NERD between a tragic Shakespearean character and a watercourse to get a student who is moving in a motor car

7d In decline, how long idling untidily? (5,8)
An anagram (untidily) of HOW LONG IDLING

17d Game birds — or wolf, possibly? (8)
Split as (4,4) this could be a clue for an anagram for which the answer is WOLF

21d I won’t visit grave containing watery liquid (6)
Containing watery liquid is the definition and you get the solution by removing the I (I won’t visit) from a word meaning grave [Crypticsue, amended version!]

22d    Had a good press? (6)
A not-very cryptic definition of a verb meaning pressed clothes

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The Quick crossword pun: wince+Hester+Cathedral=Winchester Cathedral

103 comments on “DT 27588 (Hints)

  1. Another enjoyable one and for me it’s good that Saturday’s puzzles seem to be offering a bit more of a challenge these days. Southeast corner last to go in as I messed up 17d. 21d obvious but new to me. Joint Favs (sorry Kath but you do have them on the horses so why not here?!) were 6a and 12a. ***/***. Thanks setter and BD (?) http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yes.gif http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yes.gif

  2. A very enjoyable puzzle – not too hard, not too easy, solvable with some thought. I had a bit if trouble starting but once I had a few in, the rest followed quite well.

    2*/4* for me.

  3. At first sight, I thought that I was going to have real problems with this puzzle but, like George, once I’d put in four or five answers, then the others fell into place fairly easily.

    1. welcome Dave. Watery liquid is the definition and you get the solution by removing the I (I won’t visit) from a word meaning grave

      1. If that’s not asking to be sent to the naughty corner I don’t know what is – then you’ll miss the beginning of the dancing tomorrow evening and you won’t like that!

        1. Oh dear – less haste more speed…. it is the thought of all that produce waiting for me to deal with, not to mention an NTSPP review for tomorrow and an MPP review for later in the month.

    2. There a lot of Dave’s on this blog! Please add further identity next time – we already have Big Dave (me), Little Dave, Rabbit Dave, Titchy Dave and Dave B to name just a few.

  4. I must have been on the right wave length today as I thought this was fairly straightforward – maybe it’s just in comparison to yesterday’s.
    Having read the first three clues I thought we might be heading for a crossword full of gloom and doom – in the first one the poor chap was in agony, in the second he was on his way to hospital and in the third he was crying aloud – oh dear!
    For some reason 6d was my last answer.
    I was a bit slow to get the 20a anagram and even slower to understand why my answer for 9a was right.
    Apart from those I didn’t have any problems.
    I liked 16 and 23a and 13 and 18d. My favourite was 17d.
    With thanks to the setter and to BD.

    The MPP is brilliant – haven’t looked at the NTSPP yet and anyway there’s endless stuff to do in the garden.

  5. All done without too much angst. Last in 21d. Saw this yesterday at Earl’s Court Station. “Yesterday is History. Tomorrow is Mystery. Today is a Gift which is why it’s The Present. Live for the Moment”. Thought that was excellent. Enjoy your weekend folks. http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yahoo.gif

  6. Like the others this seemed tricky at first but soon came together. Enjoyable crossword. Just one question, in 17d, don’t get the first part of the answer assuming mine is correct. Tricky on w/e puzzles to ask questions without incurring the wrath of him who shall remain nameless!http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_unsure.gif
    Thx to the setter for a good puzzle.
    PS must apologise to Crypticsue, yesterday’s Toughie was indeed easier than the back page, just took me a while (and some hints) to get going.

    1. Apology accepted.

      With regard to 17d, look at the second part of the answer and the clue and then have a think about what the first part might be an indicator of. (If I am sent to the corner, I don’t mind because it will be full of peach pies – an experiment as I am fed up of making peach jam and chutney).

      1. When our neighbour’s peaches were ripe they were on holiday – shame really! I made loads of fresh peach tarts – just a sweet shortcrust base and creme patisserie (apologies – can’t do accents or a circumflex on this keyboard – I know there is a way but . . . ) and then raw peaches on top. Yum yum!

        1. Kath, In case you do want to do it: one way is to go to “About.com – French Language – How to Type French Accents” and you will get a list of codes for use in Windows using ALT key plus various numbers – it’s simple!

      2. Thanks CS, second part I see so is the first part just being an anagram indicator in the answer? If that’s the case, that’s damn devious.

        1. That’s what I was trying to indicate without actually saying so. That type of clue appears fairly regularly so it is worth looking out for them.

    1. For 5d think *****, for 9a this ******. For 3d think rail fare but not for commuters. Any of those peach pies left, I have a feeling I’m going to need them soonhttp://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_bye.gif

      1. Thanks Brian…New to this game…just woken up and it’s all fallen
        Into place…you’re 3d hint clinched it for me! http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_good.gif

    1. Eileen -see Post 18 below -it may be posted later -like you I was having trouble with those (last two) but coming back later I had a “doh” moment and they came to me….
      5 think of *******, 9 another word /prefix for “for” followed by “I” surrounded by shellfish !

  7. Not one to frighten the horses but very enjoyable over a couple of beers in the town square – well, Saturday is Market day! Still very hot here – 35C at 1430 today :phew:

    Favourite 17d.

    Thanks to setter and BD

    1. Def is implication. It’s a charade of a word meaning concerning and a word describing your way of speaking.

    2. For 25a the definition is implication. You need a four letter word meaning concerning or about followed by another word for a way of speaking – not an accent of any kind but a pitch.

  8. Has anyone got a reason for 11a, We have an answer but i can only reconcile it with the “away from the sea” and not the rest of the clue.

    1. Welcome to the blog First Timer. Five letters of the answer are taken directly from the clue and the remaining letter is the abbreviation for lake.

  9. Clearly battle-hardened by the last two days, I rattled through this one. A pause for thought over 21d and a dictionary check of the unfamiliar answer just tipped it into 1.5* territory for me, so feeling just ever-so-slightly pleased with myself. 3d my (one and only) favourite – for which goodness can I have a slice of peach tart please Kath?

    1. You’re the only one obeying ‘Kath’s Rule’ today so a piece of peach tart is on its way to you!

        1. OK – two slices on their way – one for you and one for pommette so don’t scoff both of them. Anyway I thought you were full of beer!

          1. Yay! http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yahoo.gif Thanks, Kath-you’re a star. http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_rose.gif

            Om nom nom nom. Right, I really am going out now. Happy afternoon’s crossword clubbing, all.

  10. A pleasant puzzle, which provided plenty of interest. I didn’t notice any stand-out clues really, but I’m a touch bleary-eyed after plenty of ribena yesterday, so that’s doubtless just me :). 16a was my favourite, for lots of reasons, not all of them bad ones.

    Now off to do yesterday’s. I hate doing them out of order (not that I’m CDO or anything…), but I wanted to do this one so I could comment here. That’s what this site has done to me!

    difficulty: light to moderate
    enjoyment: fair

    I’m on holiday next week, so am looking forward to tackling the MPP then, and maybe some of the Rookies and NTSPPs that I’ve missed. Or I could go out into that outside place and, y’know, do some real-life stuff http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_wacko.gif. Anyway, I’m likely to be some combination of more/less vocal than usual.

    For those that are asking for help, I’ll wait until BD has added his promised extra hints, then if there are any outstanding when I return later, I might risk the naughty step – especially since there’s cake :).

    Oops – forgot to add my thanks to the setter and to BD.

  11. I must agree with Angel, I too think the Saturday puzzles are a little more challenging than they were, and therefore more fun! Thanks to the setter and BD for the hint or two. Hope lunch was good!

  12. Got the answer to 11a but apart from definition of “away from the sea” I can’t see how the rest of the clue works. Any explanations?

    1. Welcome to the blog Dave

      Your question has now been answered in another comment and in the main post.

      There a lot of Dave’s on this blog! Please add further identity next time.

  13. Had big trouble starting but came thick and fast as others found -however having trouble with 9a and oddly 5d….Anyone?

    Recognise repeaters from last few weeks…..

  14. Hello everybody. I think I might have to go and cut the lawns (boo hoo) in the hope that when I come back BD will have given hints for 3d (I think I have done something wrong here) and 8a. Otherwise great puzzle.

    1. 8a – This man is an anagram (upset) of GREAT before an H(ospital).

      3d – If you finished sking where have you gone? It’s also the time when rail fares drop.

  15. BD: “Just a few hints to get you started – I’ll add a few more after lunch”

    A long lunch and why not ….

        1. And we didn’t have that pesky red box of instructions popping up every time we moved our mice until BD got back from lunch.

  16. Back to the fray and a relatively simple return. Very enjoyable and thanks to all for the review. Looking forward to trying out the new kayak this weekend while our weather remains sunny.

  17. Pretty reasonable puzzle for me!

    Only comment is that the wordplay for19d seems to be inside out! The present participle should be replaced by the past participle preceded by the present participle of the English version of the Latin verb esse!
    Plus the word by!

  18. I thought that maybe the Saturday puzzles were back to hassle-free as most went in easily for me. I always like when I get the first clue across easily, I feel the rest will be friendly, and they were. My favourite by a mile was 17d, but there were lots of clever clues. Thanks to setter and to BD for the review.


  19. OK – said I rested on weekends, but couldn’t resist pinching today’s puzzle from a friend’s paper! Plus – seem to remember one of you saying that today’s should be fairly easy. 6d took a ridiculously long time to filter through the grey matter, but loved it when I finally got there. 21d needs to go into my little book of ‘words I must try to remember’ – although I can’t think when it will be useful in general conversation. Any pie left, Kath? I’m only late because I was out paddling in the sea this morning!http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_smile.gif

    1. No, sorry – the others have eaten all the peach tart. I’ll just have to make another one for tomorrow.

      1. http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cry.gif Tomorrow it is then. How would it be if I offered you some home-made coronation chicken in exchange?

  20. I agree with all the comments re 11a and didn’t know the word for 21 down from watery liquid but managed to work it out from the rest of the clue. Otherwise I found this very do- able. ( is that a word?)
    Have a lovely weekend all :-)

  21. I found today’s very do-able. I like clues like 18a where not a word is wasted. Did find some answers felt like an awkward match for the clues and it seems I am not alone which makes me feel better. thanks everyone. :-)

  22. I think I may have been deleted or I didn’t push the Send button so I’ll try again.

    I did manage to finish this one with a bit of help from the extra clues but I didn’t like 17d as the answer doesn’t fit the clue.

    1. If you look up the solution to 17d in the BRB, the definition does include the first word of the clue.

    2. I think that the 17d answer fits the clue exactly – I’ve just checked and the BRB thinks so too!
      Why do you think that it doesn’t?

      1. Do you think we should get out more, or just compare notes before we reply saying the same thing within minutes of each other? http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_smile.gif

  23. I am stumped on what is probably the simplest clue. 13d. I enjoyed the puzzle and particularly liked 6d and have it complete bar one silly letter. But I simply cannot work out which of two possible letters goes in the middle of 13d. I can see logic in both but no clarity in the clue as to which is right.

    Help please!

    Thank you

    1. The ‘letter from Crete’ is used as an English abbreviation to mean when one might expect something to come.

  24. Thank you setter. I found this quite tricky. Managed to finish though and enjoyed the challenge. Here on the lovely island of Mull for a week hoping to spot a few eagles. Thanks BD for your hints which help with confirming wordplay.

  25. NTSPP Review typed and ready for the morning; 2 1/2 mile walk completed; peach pies baked and ready for eating; ironing ironed; think I deserve a sit down with the Times Jumbo crossword …

    1. Was just going to do the same. Being relatively new to this dark art – I have found the Jumbo accessible on occasions but does it fluctuate in difficulty quite extremely as sometimes I can barely get any (not sure if this is psychological due to it saying ‘Times’). I try and get as many as I can / complete on the daily Indy / DT and times quickie and sat / sun Times main puzzle and am pretty keen to learn.

      Obviously aware that this is a DT site and thus somewhat off topic, but just thought I’d ask http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_smile.gif

      1. The Jumbo difficulty level varies just as much as any other cryptic crossword in any of the papers.

  26. For once I thought it was all very easy, except fot 13d, of which I am still unsure and the DT online thingy couldn’t sort save it or something and now I’ll have to wait until the solution is posted. Thanks to all concerned.
    One complaint , 19d is not a kind of red. I hope the SRB (scary red box) allows this !

    1. There is a hint for 13d, Una (see comment number 4 on this page) which confirmed my answer. But I still don’t understand what on Earth “Crete” has to do with it!

  27. Cheered me up yesterday’d disaster. Bit of a struggle to get going like several others of you but soon got going, lovely anagrams and helped by long answer at 6d although 22d the first one in – guess what I spent some time doing earlier in the day? Then 27a and off I went.

  28. By the way, someone suggested that the setter may have been somewhat obsessed with pain and suffering (See “protracted agony”, “hospital” and “cry aloud”). The thought that struck me, however, is that the setter is a frustrated horticulturist – see 2d, 20a (both VERY obscure, in my humble opinion) 14a and 23a!

  29. Well, I only got 2 clues on my first pass so I concluded that the puzzle might be too difficult for me. Then it gradually opened up to be another enjoyable Saturday challenge. Many thanks for the hints BD. I’m sorry that I missed the peach pies CS

  30. I know I’m a bit late but didn’t start xword till last night. (honest) and sods law the one i can’t get isn’t hinted at – 23a. I have ******
    Can anyone put me out of my misery ? Tks

    1. Welcome to the blog Maureen

      Please don’t provide partial answers in your comment.

      23a Beastly bloomer needs earth (6)
      To get this adjective describing a particular animal start with a garden flower and add E(arth). There is a list of these adjectives in the Animals page of The Mine

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