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  1. Help! is anybody else totally frustrated with the annual renewal process for the DT puzzles site? I’ve tried to contact them but I’ve got nowhere so far. Any suggestions would be most welcome. Fortunately I’ve managed to print today’s puzzles but who knows what might happen tomorrow.

    1. What I’ve done in the past when I had similar problems was to give up on the renewal process and start a new subscription.

      1. Thanks Gazza – I think I’ve cracked it but it was a right palaver. DT “helpdesk” advised that they couldn’t help & told me to contact “World Pay” which is more geared to collecting monies rather than helping with shopper enquiries.

  2. I’m a newbie, love cryptics but your blog leaves me feeling very very inadequate. Still love it and enjoying a very slow learning experience.
    Cheers from QLD Australia.

  3. Hi. My name is Liz Meredith -Jones (née Martin) I studied music on the Performing Arts course at Leicester Poly/De Montford Uni 90-93. Conrad was great fun. Lots of yarns in the pub where we all spent many an hour/night. Conrad helped me to try just ‘having a go’ at jazz piano when I feared even knowing where to start.. He was so patient with students like me who really struggled grasping patterns and jazz concepts. I’m sad to see he’s passed and my condolences go to his family.

  4. I absolutely HATE the new format of the Puzzles Page in the Saturday DT!
    flimsy pink paper… tiny print … the big crossword is so awkward to manipulate when two of us are sharing it – why put the answers to the Pub Quiz on another page? Previously one just had to look at the bottom of the page!!!

    Please respond…

    1. Absolutely agree – we do the Saturday puzzles on Sunday morning and it’s turned (haha, sorry) into an origami fest
      I’d like to know where they get their list of word wheel answers too!
      We usually get more than top number suggested but our lists never tally following week so we’re left somewhat nonplussed, wondering why
      I keep meaning to email Chris – I’ll put it on my to do list for this week

  5. Not sure who was meant to be responsible this time but is there any chance of us getting the review of NTSPP 631 soon?

  6. Anybody else having trouble with the DT puzzle site this morning? I manged to print the back pager & the toughie but then I got a 504 Gateway Time Out message after trying to log back in.

  7. The Puzzles on an iPad (iOS 15.3.1) this morning. The rest of the paper displays OK, including the Puzzles navigation page. It’s just all the puzzles themselves. I’ve informed Chris Lancaster.

    The app has been stable for many months now, but when it screws up it always seems to be the puzzles pages. I guess they are the most complex, but even so.

    1. I had that and tried deleting and re-installing the puzzles app. The puzzles pages are missing completely now and bizarrely this is tonight’s TV

  8. Just a general comment : When the competition and posting by email an entry, do you put ‘Toughie 10’ or ‘Sunday Toughie 10’ in the subject line?
    Many thanks in anticipation of your help.

    1. Welcome to the blog

      I would imagine you’d do better putting “Sunday Toughie 10” in the subject line, as there was, a very long time ago now, a Toughie 10

    2. Sorry Carl I didn’t spot this at the time but CS is correct. and the entry in the paper specifies that the subject should indeed be Sunday Toughie 10 and to ensure that there are spaces between each part.

  9. Hopefully, someone might be able to help.
    As I’m popping off for some hols with no access to a printer, I thought one of the Telegraph crossword paperback compilations would be just the job for the beach.
    Does anyone know if they are the standard level, toughies, or a mix – and are they ones that I will have already done (not that I could remember a puzzle from more than a few weeks ago)? :-)
    Cheers

    1. The one I have seems to be a reasonable mix of normal back page standards. I was fortunate to win cryptic book one in the monthly puzzle that BD runs, unfortunately, that has just had to go to quarterly, however, the telegraph books site and Amazon have a wide range of telegraph puzzle books. I think they are up to at least 10 by now.

      1. Thanks for getting back to me.
        I assume you didn’t notice too much Deja Vu?
        On looking further (Amazon), there is also an “all new” series, but I don’t think this means new puzzles.

        1. there are always a few oldies but goodies but like yourself, I soon forget specific puzzles and have never had that deja vu moment when I realise I am redoing something I solved ages ago.

  10. I have solved 4 clues through today’s crossword , am I going loopy or is the setter from another planet ???

  11. Hints for Sunday Telegraph Cryptic 3,172 omitted 23(d) – Alliance broken, leaving one cold initially. I get Bloc for Alliance but how does the rest fit?

  12. Hints for Sunday Telegraph Cryptic 3,172 omitted 23(d) – Alliance broken, leaving one cold initially. I get Bloc for Alliance but how does the rest fit? Interested to hear.

  13. I just had to comment somewhere on a couple of observations from my travels (travails?) going back through the NTSPP archive. NTSPP-351 by Elgar – I gave myself a 5 out of 10 for getting as far as I did before admitting defeat, but I give crypticsue at least 10 out of 10 for her review and solving of this toughest of toughies. Amazing piece of unravelling, CS, I am truly inspired! (I always enjoy my Elgar challenges, even when I grind to a halt, because occasionally I do succeed!) Then NTSPP-350 by Maize, a triple pangram no less! With my printout already littered with ticks it blew me away when I realised what might be going on and then finally confirmed it. I don’t think I had knowingly encountered Maize before, but I see there are some more NTSPPs from this setter still to be enjoyed deeper into the NTSPP archive (once I get past a Radler or two).
    What a fantastic resource BD has curated with this site! :yes:

  14. Just want to say a big thank you to our ‘gang of five’ moderators who are working so hard to keep the blog running smoothly. There are plenty of us who really appreciate all your efforts and I’ve no doubt that BD is very proud of and grateful to you all.

      1. Thanks Gazza but I’ve got to ask the crossword editor the reason for this tomfoolery & why there has been no communication with subscribers.

        1. Logged on this morning to get the cryptic and do the prize puzzles – deary me.
          Do you think they’ll just remove one more puzzle per week and hope that nobody notices, or will they try to do the right thing and at least tell someone what is going on?

          1. Managed to dig up my password and log on to the new puzzles site, but still no Monday prize crosswords.
            How did everybody find out about this change-over – did I miss a communication?
            Also, here’s another no-vote for the crossword print-out format.
            I hope it gets changed before the old site disappears.

            1. I’ve just sent the DT Customer Prevention dept another email regarding not only the disapperance of puzzles from the main site but also the amateurish way that this change has been handled. Also don’t try printing puzzles from the new site unless you’re as rich as Croesus & do not mind being ripped off for new ink cartridges.

                1. Apparently a new site has been launched (who knew?) which will, and I quote, offer a more up to date and interactive player experience (marketing speak). There will be a gradual move to the new site with the codeword puzzles being the first to migrate. IMHO if it ain’t broke don’t fix it!

  15. Regarding an enquiry I made about the whereabouts of the online codewords I have hust received this reply:
    http://telegraph.co.uk/puzzles
    Our new website has lots of new functionality, including the ability to play Codewords and all of our other puzzles online. If you would still like to complete this puzzle on paper, you can print it by choosing to play the puzzle on the new website, then clicking onto More > Print. The new website also includes interactive versions of other puzzles, including our crosswords and sudoku, with further puzzles due to be added later this year.

  16. For the sake of completion I’ve tried to use the new website for today’s backpager & guess what? It’s useless – it’s difficult to read the clues even when you increase the magnification & then you lose sight of the answers you’ve already entered.
    Does anybody else remember the time a few years back when they messed about with the DT site. That was a mass of bu##erment & so history repeats itself.

  17. I’m fuming. As a late-comer to the cryptic crossword world I’ve been playing catch-up with DT/ST and had just reached the end of December 2016, looking forward to another year clawing my way to 2022. I logged on earlier today (I feel your pain Tater!) and was re-directed to the new site. No archive of old crosswords to be found. No warning this was going to happen. No chance I’m gonna renew my subscription!!
    Still, I’d welcome an email address so I can vent my spleen accordingly…..

  18. Hurrah! Got in after several attempts so thanks again.
    I wonder how long it will still be available for…?
    Guess I’ll be printing like mad in the coming days!

    1. I received an email from DT puzzles offering me a free trial of the new site so it looks likethey’re going full on ith its launch. I’ve tried the print option & it’s rubbish. Let’s hope that the “old” site won’t be closed down too soon or I’ll be off to the FT & the Guardian.

  19. To avoid the new site – hit the X at the top right of the opening form to say “No”.
    I’ve tried to keep an open mind playing with the new site. However I must say that I use the Times Puzzles site as the benchmark for professionalism, no frills design and ease of use.

    Here are my main concerns.
    1. Many of the puzzles including Saturdays’ Giant General Knowledge, Herculis and the “Win Prizes” set can now only be accessed from the new site.
    2. To switch between the two versions it is necessary to log out and and back in.
    3, It’s now extremely difficult to format the Saturday GGK onto one page. And then the grid is too big and the font for clues is too small. The alternatives are printing on two sheets (not good on the bus or train) or printing on both sides (impracticable). I refer the designers to an engineer’s adage “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
    4. Clues linking Saturday’s and Monday’s GK puzzles are not clearly highlighted.
    5. Presenting crosswords in colour goes against the norm. As does using hash shading for blanks.
    6. In the Sudoku suite, the addition of the on-line “options” facility is great, but requires excessive use of the cursor, mouse, mouse-pad, etc to switch between modes. Assigned function keys to toggle between modes would make much more sense (This is the only complaint I have about the Times version)

    Whoever designed this site is clearly not a regular crossword or Sudoku user.

    1. Given all of the commments from a number of bloggers & solvers regarding the negative aspects of the new site do you think that the editor should pay some attention & review it before going ahead with its launch?

  20. Looks like the old site has evaporated – for me at least, and no sign of any recognition for the new-site-crossword-printers’ woes. I notice the “do it on your PC” version kindly has a “change font size” button whilst the print-out option still uses the tiniest of font sizes with no adjust button. So somebody has thought about readability – but not all the way through. I also assume the lack of the puzzles archive is to increase sales of their compilation books!

    There you go, I’ve just tried the old site again and it opened this time. However, most of the above points still stand so I might as well post. It’s going to go soon whatever.

    1. If you close (X in the top right corner) the initial window presented when you go to the puzzles website you can still access the ‘old’ webpages. I have made a number of representations about the failings of the new format, and asked for re-assurance that the old format (and wonderful archive!) will still be accessible for the forseeable future, but have received no acknowledgements or any such re-assurance. The silence from the DT puzzles team is deafening :negative:

      Talking about wonderful archives, please see my next post…

  21. Following up on my comment #15, above, I have been delving deeper into the NTSPP archive and come across ANOTHER triple pangram from Maize :yes:
    The crossword itself was a treat; challenging but with no obscurities, fair cluing and mostly smooth surfaces – a-Maize-ing!
    Next up is a puzzle from Alchemi, another favourite setter. If I regrettably end up cancelling my DT puzzle site membership as a result of its awful re-design I will still have BD’s splendid archive of puzzles to keep me entertained :good:

  22. Have had a nightmare with my puzzle subscription. It has moved to a new website and does not recognise my details any longer (despite having an annual subscription which the help line could not see on my record) . Having finally spoken to someone else it appears that as we paid via World pay this method of payment is no longer recognised and they refunded the balance of my year’s subscription. World Pay ceases to exist from the end of November. As a result you need to resubscribe. The bonus seems to be that I was paying £35.88 per year and it is now £29.99 !

    1. Welcome to the blog

      I couldn’t get on the site either and have emailed the enquiries team as my subscription doesn’t expire until the end of February. Apparently the old site is working again now, but I could have done with that earlier as it is much easier to create a blog template from the old version than the new :(

  23. My puzzles site subscription is shortly due for renewal. This happens seamlessly via Worldpay. I normally use the old site for its better print-out, so visited the new site to see if there was any mention of how to maintain my subscription. Couldn’t find any info but did see that the cryptic print-out format has been changed to a readable one. “Thumbs up emoji”
    Is it Worldpay that is giving up or just the Telegraph using something different?

  24. I do the telegraph cryptic crossword every day. I like to print it out . I love to access Big Dave to explain the structure of clues I’m stuck on.

    Does anyone else have problems with the new puzzles site? The “print” version is A4 landscape!! It is awkward & illegible as the print is so tiny. There was still access to the previous version of the website but that seems inaccessible now! I can’t find a way to contact them to complain. Is anyone else frustrated?

  25. There doesn’t appear to be a prize crossword for Saturday 17th December, just a normal cryptic no 30173, can you throw any light on this
    Regards Dave Hodgkinson

    1. You’ve used your full name instead of one of the three other ‘names’ you’ve used in the past

      Today’s crossword 30173 is definitely a prize crossword – on some ‘electronic’ versions of the puzzles site, it isn’t showing as such.

  26. I have a question for the Magi in the blog.
    Has there been an Elgar Double Toughie published this year? I have tried the ‘usual’ access points in the DT online puzzle site but have so far drawn a blank. I know it will drive me to distraction with levels of frustration going through the roof, but the joy of solving even a decent chunk of it makes it all worthwhile. And if I should manage to fill the grid, as I have done on rare occasions, well… :yahoo:

    1. The new DT puzzles site can’t cope with PDFs so couldn’t publish the Double Toughie. Elgar set one anyway and, if you can hang on until tomorrow when I will be at my computer rather than using my tablet, I’ll email you the PDF

          1. Well, that wasn’t quite as formidable as I had feared. The anagrams and ‘jigsaw’ were more of a brain-teaser than a crossword, but some head-scratching was then required to complete the cryptic clues; I needed seven ‘look up’s to confirm answers I was unfamiliar with, but had arrived at (or very near) through the wordplay. I particularly enjoyed some crafty mis-directions which I only managed to twig after re-reading those clues several times, my LOL favourite being 10d and my most resounding PDM being 31d. I still have two minor parsing question marks remaining (synonyms which I’m not comfortable with, which usually means I’ve missed something!) so I’m just wondering if this puzzle will be reviewed in the BD Blog in due course?
            Thank you once again for making it available to me :smile:

  27. I have a feeling that others are having the same problem as I and hope some of the technical buffs can help us sort it out.

    In the past few days, I have to enter my name and email each time I comment despite ticking the remember me box.

    Is there a solution to this?

    1. Nothing has changed at this end. The remembering of your details is accomplished by the browser saving a small file known as a cookie on your computer, so presumably the BD cookie is not being saved when your browser is closed. Reasons this could happen are privacy or security settings in the browser or perhaps a browser add-on. Does the start of this forgetfulness coincide with installing or upgrading any software or changing any browser settings or changing how you navigate to the site? Are you accessing the site via https://bigdave44.com? (not http://bigdave44.com)

      1. Thank you, Mr K. – using the first link has sorted it. I seem to recall your telling me about this link before but I have no idea why my laptop reverted to the other one.

  28. I am totally frustrated by the DT “Brilliant New Crossword Website”. Its a dysfunctional mess which clearly hasn’t been rigorously road tested by crossworders.

    I’ve complained several time to the DT but I get no response.

    Are others similarly frustrated or is it just me. Maybe I’m doing something wrong.

    An old adage applies here “Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke!”

  29. Got about 2/3rds done before I had to resort to Big Daves blog. Some pretty tenuous clues there. Very difficult but not particular enjoyably

  30. I couldn’t finish because 4 d referred to making something hard. ANNEALING makes metals more bendable or softer. Tempering makes them harder or less malleable.

    1. Welcome to the blog, Tim.
      If you’re commenting about a specific puzzle you need to post your comment in the relevant blog.

    1. It is always a good idea to comment on the review of a puzzle rather than in the comment section – not least because if you look at the comments on the review yesterday, you’ll see that others agreed with you.

  31. Good morning all from a snowy Vale of Belvoir. Can someone let me know if I’ve missed the review of Prolixic’s QPP – “Toilet Humour”. I’ve completed the puzzle (I think!) but I’m not sure of some of the parsing. Thank you in advance.

  32. Please can someone explain the mystery around the pangrams? I know what the word means but how does it apply in crossword land? Thanks so much

    1. A pangram when applied to a crossword means that the full grid contains at least one occurrence of each letter of the alphabet.

  33. I am trying to convince a friend with a mild interest in cryptic crosswords to have a go. Whenever I extol their virtues, I manage to leave him more convinced than ever that they are probably not for him. All my fault!
    Does anyone have, or know of a really easy, almost self-explanatory puzzle that covers most of the common clue types?

    1. Deleted the app, downloaded it again and all now working good Just lost my completed puzzles for the last month. Happy days, I can do them all again now!

  34. The answer to cryptic clue ‘Apart from us, perhaps ‘is mate’ is Asunder. I don’t get the latter part of the clue.

  35. Correction to my previous comment. The clue to ‘ asunder’ is ‘apart from us and possibly ‘is mate’. Any explanation for the latter part of the clue.

    1. Asunder is an anagram (possibly) of US AND followed by ‘ER (the mate of ‘IS in Cockney speech, where ‘her’ and ‘his’ lose the initial H).

  36. Just wanted to say discovered Big Dave a few years ago. Thank you to everyone who keeps this going just love it. Started doing the Telegraph Cryptic back in the early 70s in my late teens. I have improved a lot over the intervening 50 years! Still get some that completely flummox me though which is how I came across Big Dave. Many thanks again and Happy Puzzling.

  37. Dear team, It would appear that email notifications of new posts has ceased. Is this a permanent change to the modus operandi of the blog? I have found them quite useful as a nudge to visit the blog, especially for non-routine postings. Thanks in advance for your advice.

    1. We are looking to restore e-mail notifications. They had to be turned off as part of the site migration as they were a separate service that Big Dave used on the old site. Watch this space.

  38. Not sure if this is an appropriate use of this thread – do tell me if not. But …

    Does this clue work?

    Groom’s partner takes his lead in game (5)

    Spoiler below
    ‘His lead’ here refering to the G of groom rather than H – but perhaps that’s not kosher?

    1. It doesn’t work for H – that would require “his’s lead” or ‘lead of his’.

      I would accept ‘his lead’ here for G, as well as ‘…her lead…’ for B. Neither stands up to microscopic inspection – for one thing, the correct possessive pronoun for the cryptic reading in each instance is ‘its’ – but a lot of constructions don’t survive that kind of scrutiny.

      Your clue is fine as far as I’m concerned, although the enumeration, I believe, should be (6).

  39. Quick question for the experts.
    If, for example, the answer to a clue is “SOS”, would it be enumerated (3) or (1,1,1)? Likewise with something like “ID card” would the enumeration be (2,4) or (1,1,4)? Or is it best practice to avoid these types of words altogether? Thanks everyone.

    1. My first port of call for the examples that you mention would be Chambers. It shows ‘SOS’ as a noun (and a verb), rather than an abbreviation, so I would have no hesitation in enumerating it as (3). As a ‘real word’, the proportion of capital letters is irrelevant – in the dictionary, some words have none, some have one, and some have several (eg ‘SOS’ or ‘COBOL’), but all grid entries are made in capitals anyway.

      Likewise, Chambers gives ‘ID card’ as a noun, so I would enumerate it as (2,4) in a blocked puzzle and (6, two words) in a barred puzzle. Personally, I wouldn’t include in a puzzle anything shown by Chambers as being solely an abbreviation, eg ‘BBC’, but it seems (albeit on scant evidence) that abbreviations which are pronounced as ‘pseudo-words’ rather than a sequence of letters, eg ‘CAMRA’, would be indicated as single words – I found an instance of RADA being enumerated in an Independent puzzle (set by the editor) as ‘(4)’.

      1. Thanks Phibs! That’s perfect – I thought this might be the case but good to hear it in depth and with helpful examples. I’d been playing around with auto-fill just trying some things out and it put those examples in. An amusing clue came to mind for SOS so I might use it now 😊

      1. Thanks CS – I do mean the “old”site & now It’s working. I had a look at the “new” site & it does not appear to be any better than when it was first launched. Then again it might just be me & the sleep deprivation caused by having 3 of the grand sprogs stay over last night!

        1. The site has been a bit like that on and off all week. Emailing someone else to ask if they are having the same problem, seems to do the trick of making it work again!

  40. I am trying to compile a crossword but am left with one clue that is impossible to fill. What do compilers do in this situation? Start again or alter other answers until something fits?

    1. Usually tinker with the clues surrounding it, those in the same quadrant. If you’re using Crossword Compiler software, the auto-fill is pretty useless and will ignore lots and lots of valid entries, pumping out the same old clichés each time. So don’t use that. Crosswordsolver.org is handy if you’re really stuck, use the format ‘?a?b?c’ to find potential matches. This site will throw up weird suggestions alongside regular words, so approach the results with a ‘Chambers mind’!

      If it’s a really bad situation, choose your favourite clues to recycle (judge them all harshly) and start afresh with a new grid.

  41. I can’t remember the meaning of the “difficulty rating ” in the blog. I think I remember that it’s based on time to solve but, what are the times, please?

    1. The difficulty rating is purely at the discretion of the reviewer and is intended to give the reviewer’s personal view of the difficulty level of a puzzle compared to others of the same type. Some reviewers base their rating on time to solve, others don’t. There is no standard correlation between a difficulty rating and a time.

  42. Does the panel think –
    that a Spooner clue that isn’t a straight swap of initial letters (or groups of) of the two halves needs a homophone indicator?
    I don’t think so, but have been taken to task for not using a homophone indicator in such a clue, but see examples all the time.
    Saturday’s back-page example (un-homophoned) would use (redacted as you are explaining part of a Prize Puzzle) and didn’t raise any eyebrows.

    1. I’m not sure that I fully understand the question. A spoonerism in cryptic wordplay is a special example of a homophone, involving an exchange of sounds (not necessarily letters), and is introduced by “Spooner’s” or the like. Spoonerisms can be consonantal, eg ‘shoving leopard’ for ‘loving shepherd’, or vocalic, eg ‘main done’ for ‘mundane’. There is no need for a further homophone indicator, regardless of whether there is a change of spelling, as in the preceding examples, or not, as in ‘flat cap’ for ‘cat-flap’. But anything that doesn’t follow those rules wouldn’t be considered a spoonerism.

      1. Thanks for that Phibs – that sums up nicely what I have always believed, and sorry for transgressing on the prize puzzle, I could easily have used a different example.

    1. Not from the old site, but I am from the new
      I would try phoning the Telegraph itself as we have no control but clearing cookies sometimes helps

  43. Yes, I am. I have sent an email to The Tel but don’t know the telephone number. I have shiut down my ipad and rebooted but to no avail.

  44. Please can somebody remind me of the name of the young lady who, for a while, used to compile back pagers about 10 years ago or so. I think she was either finishing school or just starting at university.

    1. Lucy Evans – an anagram of Navy Clues hence her setting under the pseudonym Navy. I believe she has transgendered and no longer appears. I hope they return soon

      1. That’s it, thanks, I now remember “Navy”. About 2012/13?

        I don’t know why, but I was just wondering what happened to her as I recall that we all thought she was a future great talent.

  45. What the view of this community of the DT removing the puzzles from the digital edition to the dedicated puzzles site? We’ve already lost the toughie and though they promised 3 months free access we haven’t got it. I’m seriously connsidering cancelling.

  46. Have I missed something? Please don’t tell me that the “old” (aka “best”) DT crossword site is being closed next month. IMHO the new site is still not fit for purpose & is being run by the lad on work experience.

    1. Sadly yes, it is true! There were quite a lot of comments last Thursday, I think it was and many people were emailing the crossword editor. I reckon the lad on work experieince would probably do a better job!!

  47. Anyone got a link to Prolix’s wonderful guide to crossword setting? My PC breathed its last last week and the link went with it. I was sure it was somewhere on BD but can’t find it.

  48. Please can anyone tell me if there is a “search” facility on the new DT puzzzles site? I’m looking for puzzles from the time before I retired when there wasn’t much spare time for crossword solving. On the old site it’s easy to search but on the new one…well let’s just say that the FT & the Grauniad offer solace.

  49. Despite repeatedly resetting my password, and being told it was successful, I STILL cannot access the new puzzles site. I even called the DT (from the US) for help but that didn’t work. With the old site shutting down on May 1, I am going to be forced to cancel my puzzles subscription. No point in paying for something I can’t use!

      1. Well, I’m back, with lots of help from my grandson who is an IT specialist for a living. Still sorting out all the issues with resetting passwords!

  50. I really do not like the New, but certainly not improved, puzzle page. Yes it has more puzzles and all together but I only do the Cryptic Crossword and my wife does the GK one on a Sunday. Much much too big and much much too much BLACK ink. I print it off and I have to reduce it to 40% or I would be changing the ink cartridge on a weekly basis. Could it not just be a nice delicate grey. Rightly or wrongly I am getting the feeling that the puzzles are now AI generated.

    1. I agree. The new site is so poor I think I will cancel my subscription.
      One of the great things about DT over Guardian and FT was that the saved puzzle could be accessed from work computer, home computer and laptop, even by phone. Now it seems to be saved on the curreent machine using cookies (though tonight not saving at all) so it loses its main attraction.

      1. Please ignore the above comment. It was premature.
        The system is working well today and it is likely I was experiencing only a temporary hitch

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