DT 28455

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 28455

Hints and tips by Senf

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BD Rating – Difficulty **Enjoyment ****

A very good Friday morning from Winnipeg.  My second of two turns substituting for the resting and relaxing Deep Threat.  I think that pommers picks up the reins again next week.

A typical and very enjoyable Giovanni, still not sure if it’s Giovanni’s ‘new’ persona – perhaps Lady Jane can advise again, with three anagrams, two lurkers, two homophones, and a sprinkling of oldies but goodies/recent repeats. A splendid end to my Thursday which was mostly spent at a very enjoyable corporate golf outing.

My favourite is 3d.

In the hints below, the definitions are underlined. The answers are hidden under the Click here! buttons, so don’t click if you don’t want to see them.

Please leave a comment telling us what you thought.

Across

1a    Paddy joining African party with English shows self-restraint (10)
TEMPERANCE: A synonym for paddy (as in rage), a South African political party, and the single letter for English.

6a    Self-satisfied son, one taken for a fool (4)
SMUG: The single letter for son and a synonym for someone taken for a fool.

9a    Intervention when cold is caught — this being taken? (10)
MEDICATION: A synonym for intervention containing (is caught) the single letter for cold gives something that might be taken for a cold.

10a    Liveliness of brother crossing island (4)
BRIO: The three letter shortened form of brother containing (crossing) the single letter for island – a recent repeat?

12a    Map reveals lake in hollow (4)
PLAN: The single letter for lake contained by (in) a synonym for hollow – LRB verified.

13a    Firm came down to meet one about partnership arrangement (9)
COALITION: The usual two letters for a firm, a synonym for came down (dismounted), the Roman numeral for one, and a two letter synonym for about.

15a    Father’s attempts to make small cakes (8)
PASTRIES: The two letter familiar term for father, the possessive S from the clue, and a single word for attempts to make.

16a    Bricklayer cum jazz musician? (6)
WALLER: A ‘tongue in cheek’ double definition where the ‘?’ applies to the first one; the second is a US jazz musician.

18a    Attract only some apprentices (6)
ENTICE: A lurker (only some) found in apprentices

20a    Mass dumped in waterway in a Swiss region (8)
CANTONAL: A mass that is 2240 lbs inserted (dumped in) into a type of waterway – note the complete underlined definition.

23a    Most gossipy woman’s appearing in court (9)
CHATTIEST: The two letter abbreviation for court containing (appearing in) the first name of an actress (who appeared with Eric Sykes) and the S from ‘s for is.

24a    When speaking, regrets trick (4)
RUSE: Homophone (when speaking) of regrets.

26a    Our gentlemen must suppress this desire (4)
URGE: A lurker (must suppress this) found in the first two words of the clue.

27a   Record reversal of very good policy for establishing control (10)
DISCIPLINE: The term for a vinyl record, the two letters for a very good person reversed (reversal), and a synonym for policy.

28a   Flipping thing that occurs at Lord’s before play (4)
TOSS: What precedes the start of play at Lords, or Old Trafford, or . . .

29a   Deem Uranus somehow to be very large? (10)
UNMEASURED: Anagram (somehow) of DEEM URANUS for something that has not yet been established – hence the ‘?’ at the end of the clue.

Down

1d    Small thanks given to this writer, being dull (4)
TAME: The two letter synonym for thanks and the objective pronoun for this writer.

2d    From what we hear, honours for monkeys (7)
MEDDLES: Homophone (from what we hear) of honours is a synonym for monkeys (or interferes).

3d    Strange behavior that is noticeable in The Oval? (12)
ECCENTRICITY: Nothing to do with cricket, so ignore the capitalization at the end of the clue; a double definition (I think) – the first is the behavior that might be exhibited by someone who is idiosyncratic.

4d    A totally sober person longed to be with partner? (8)
ATTACHED: A from the clue, the two letters that indicate a totally sober person, and a synonym for longed.

5d    Church faces test in relation to its singers (6)
CHORAL: The generic two letters for church and the type of test that does not require answers in writing – once again – note the complete underlined definition.

7d    Military poet of ancient Rome (7)
MARTIAL: A double definition – a synonym for military and a Roman poet who was known for his epigrams.

8d    Good game with the French must include stout basic principle (6,4)
GROUND RULE: The single letter for good, the favourite two letter game (for ruffians, played by gentlemen), and one of the forms of the French for THE containing a synonym for stout (in relation to the shape of a person’s body).

11d    Is smart phone designed for antisocial types? (12)
MISANTHROPES: Anagram (designed for) of IS SMART PHONE.

14d    Bit of bread for those who can afford caviare? (5,5))
UPPER CRUST: Only those to whom the answer applies may be able to afford caviare.

17d    Imitation of historical rebel, leader of insurgents captured (8)
PASTICHE: A synonym for historical and one of cruciverbalists’ favourite rebels containing (captured) the first letter (leader) of Insurgents.

19d    What could be great as riot controller (4,3)
TEAR GAS: Anagram (what could be) of GREAT AS.

21d    When row follows end of session it’s less pleasant (7)
NASTIER: A two letter synonym for when after (follows) the end of sessioN and a favourite synonym for row.

22d    Great number, say, being eaten by wild animal (6)
LEGION: Two letter abbreviation for a Latin term for say contained by (being eaten by) the king of the jungle.

25d    Wait on, needing time to finish (4)
TEND: The single letter for time and a synonym for finish.

Back on Sunday as usual.


The Quick Crossword pun: beech+where=beachwear


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68 Comments

  1. Rabbit Dave
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 11:09 am | Permalink | Reply

    3*/3*. Reasonably challenging and enjoyable. 14a provided a nice touch of humour and was my favourite, with 2d & 3d also in the frame.

    I was mildly surprised to find 16a in my BRB. It’s not a word I have ever come across before for that profession.

    Many thanks to Giovanni and to Senf.

    • Senf
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 12:12 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Having seen the part of your comment that 16a is in the BRB (which, for some reason, I could not find when I was writing the hints), I thought I might have to revise the hint. But, as the BRB definition does not specifically mention bricklayer, I consider that it can be left as is.

  2. pete
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 11:29 am | Permalink | Reply

    Quite enjoyable and a good challenge, favourites 2d and 14d. I couldnt get 16a and couldnt find the word in any dictionary either 3*/3* Many thanks to Giovanni and to Senf

  3. jane
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 11:39 am | Permalink | Reply

    I think it has to be ‘new’ Giovanni again, Senf – not a religious obscurity in sight!
    Beg to differ with you about 3d having nothing to do with cricket – I thought it was rather apt (sorry, RD – I’ll buy you a drink in January!).

    I was a bit slow to work out the full parsing of 21d but everything else was fine.
    Podium places went to 6a plus 2,3&14d.

    Thanks to DG and to Senf – thank you for slotting Friday blogging duties into your schedule to cover DT’s hols.

    • Rabbit Dave
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 11:48 am | Permalink | Reply

      :yes:

    • Angellov
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 11:51 am | Permalink | Reply

      I’m obviously being thick but I too am can’t work out significance of The Oval in 3d.

      • Angellov
        Posted June 16, 2017 at 12:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Sorry, “can’t” should be replaced by ‘unable to’.

        • crypticsue
          Posted June 16, 2017 at 12:12 pm | Permalink | Reply

          As Senf indicates in his hint, it is a fine example of ‘misleading capitals’

      • Senf
        Posted June 16, 2017 at 12:16 pm | Permalink | Reply

        It is the comparison of an oval, or perhaps more correctly an ellipse, to a circle.

        • Angellov
          Posted June 16, 2017 at 12:42 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Thanks Senf and CS. I worked around the shape when solving but term for elliptic didn’t occur to me – bit slow today! 🤔

  4. Angellov
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 11:58 am | Permalink | Reply

    Okay but nothing special. Haven’t heard of bricklayer in 16a nor poet in 7d. Not sure if all of 14d can afford caviar! Faute de mieux 8d is Fav. Thanks Giovanni and Senf.

    • jane
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 12:23 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Hi Angellov,
      16a’s a bit of a stretch but a bricklayer is more than likely to be building a wall?

      • Angellov
        Posted June 16, 2017 at 12:37 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Obviously but I have never heard the term.

        • jane
          Posted June 16, 2017 at 12:45 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Think you’re more likely to come across it in reference to a ‘dry stone waller’ – a term that I think is quite familiar.

  5. Beaver
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 12:39 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Enjoyed today’s puzzle and a **/**** for me. only . Bunged in 16a when I had the checking letters in place, I was surprised to know that this was a word for a bricklayer and vaguely remembered the properties of an ellipse/oval- apart from this top draw!-clever surface for 29a and 14d brought a smile.
    Ready for a sunny weekend for a change.

  6. jean-luc cheval
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 12:48 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Just held up in the NE as I wrote Golden Rule in 8d.
    Soon corrected when 10a was solved.
    Favourite 19d.
    Thanks to the Don and to Senf for the review.

    • Merusa
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 5:03 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I, too, had golden rule.

      • LabradorsruleOK
        Posted June 16, 2017 at 6:20 pm | Permalink | Reply

        And me.

  7. John Bee
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 1:44 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Struggled a bit in the SE and I even needed the hint for 11d which was obviously an anagram but I just couldn’t see it.
    I did like the pseudo cricket clue and had prepared some mathematical definitions of oval but smarter correspondents than me have parsed that clue already. it remains my COTD.
    Hoping for a better run at tomorrows as I wait for the dentist to 27a me for a poor flossing technique.
    Thanks to Senf and the setter

  8. PLR
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 1:47 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Everything fell into place smoothly today. 3d and 17d stood out for me.

  9. John R
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 1:50 pm | Permalink | Reply

    What’s the derivation in 27a for two letters for a good person ?

    • crypticsue
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 2:05 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Welcome to the blog

      PI for good comes from pious – you’re not the first person to enquire about this!

      • John R
        Posted June 17, 2017 at 3:45 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Thank you. That’s a new one on me

  10. pommers
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 1:51 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Very nice stuff from the Don and no obscurities in sight :smile:

    **/**** from us. Not sure about favourite, it’s either 3d or 23a with 16a up there on the podium.

    Thanks to the Don and Senf.

  11. Expat Chris
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 1:52 pm | Permalink | Reply

    So nice to be taking a few days off work and have time for all the puzzles. 14D was my favorite, though I don’t like the fish eggs. Thanks to Senf and Virgilius.

    • Senf
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 2:26 pm | Permalink | Reply

      You are two days early – it’s Giovanni today!

      • ShropshireLad
        Posted June 16, 2017 at 2:34 pm | Permalink | Reply

        You are probably now synonymous with the Sunday setter :)

  12. Kath
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 1:56 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Much more than a 2* difficulty for me – don’t know why but it just was – possibly something to do with the low anagram count.
    The 14a bricklayer/musician was my last and I only got it when I looked up a list of jazzies.
    I was slow with 8d – guessed the first word from the checking letters then tried to make ’rounders’ the game – oh dear – but got there eventually.
    I’ve never heard of the 7d poet.
    I didn’t understand the oval bit of 3d – still don’t really – I assumed it had to be something to do with shapes and geometry.
    The 29a anagram took ages.
    I now know the names of more kinds of monkey than I need to.
    I liked 6 and 15a and 11d.
    Thanks to Giovanni and to Senf.

  13. Florence
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 2:20 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Best puzzle of the week for me. A few easy clues, a few head-scratching moments, and a big smile at 14d. I haven’t seen caviare spelt with an ‘e’ before, but then I don’t buy it or eat it. Many thanks to The Don and to Senf.

  14. ShropshireLad
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 2:44 pm | Permalink | Reply

    A very pleasing and pleasant workout for a busy Friday morning / afternoon. The two that threw me were 16 & 20ac – got the answers but had to check. The other one that I nearly tripped over was 28ac as I very nearly wrote in ‘coin’ (at least was in the right ballpark, as it were). I will go with 3d as my favourite of the day.

    Thanks to Mr Manley for the puzzle and to Senf for his excellent review.

    I have been at the hospital this afternoon to see the haem, heamat…..the blood doctor and Mrs SL says that I look quite pale – not surprised as the amount of blood taken seems to be much more than an armful :( Have a good weekend all.

  15. Brian
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 2:46 pm | Permalink | Reply

    First class puzzle, best of the week. My only struggle was working out the answer to 27a, couldn’t see the very good as PI (pious presumably, not sure the two are synonymous but perhaps just in crosswordland).
    Best clue for me was 3d, not a cricketing clue but after this weeks result I’ll take anything I can get! Who was the idiot at Cardiff who decided to prepare a slow turner for the world’s best spinners, beyond belief!
    Thx to all

    • ShropshireLad
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 2:51 pm | Permalink | Reply

      That would probably have been the head grounds man – Taff Patel :wink:

    • LabradorsruleOK
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 5:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Who was the idiot that picked Sophia Gardens for a World Cup semi-final in the first place? In Cardiff we have a world class facility for Rugby & Soccer in the Principality Stadium. Sophia Gardens can’t begin to compare with at least 4 grounds outside London, either for the quality of the pitch or the ground facilities.
      That said when you bat worse, bowl worse and field worse than the opposition you tend to lose cricket matches – unless D/L comes to your rescue.

  16. Gwizz
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 3:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

    A good crossword to finish the working week! Took a while to get going but everything from then on seemed to speed up. 16a when the penny dropped was my favourite. 3/4* overall.
    Thanks to The Don, and to Senf for his review.

  17. Young Salopian
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 3:39 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Completed this fine crossword before driving to meet some fellow site users in Ludlow for lunch. They have yet to reveal themselves but I keep working on them.

    3d was my favourite of many top clues, and overall I rated this 3*/4*. Many thanks to The Don and to Senf for his review.

    • Senf
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 3:47 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Keep up the good work of ‘working on them’ – according to the WordPress stats there have been over 2,100 viewings of today’s blog; so, there must be a whole 22d in hiding.

      • Kath
        Posted June 16, 2017 at 10:58 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Yes – I agree, work on them, YS, and ask them really nicely to come out of hiding.
        I often wonder why people look at the blog without commenting – I did it for a while but then got going and haven’t stopped since.

  18. Jaylegs
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 4:22 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Found this a little tricky in parts 😟 ***/*** Favourites 14 & 22d Didn’t gel with 7d & 16a though the music made up for it 🎼🎹 🤗 Thanks to Senf and to Giovanni

  19. Heno
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 5:03 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Thanks to Giovanni and to Senf for the review and hints. A very enjoyable puzzle, that I found very tricky. Needed the hints for 20,27a & 17,22d. Good misdirection in 3d. Favourite was 16a. Was 3*/3* for me.

  20. Merusa
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 5:18 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Enjoyed this, still a benign Giovanni.
    Lots to like here, but I didn’t think that 17d is really “imitation”.
    I don’t know a lot of jazzies but 16a was among them, so in it went. I needed all the checking letters to get the 11d anagram.
    I rather liked 14d but fave was 3d, even though it took a long time to get it.
    Thanks to Giovanni and to Senf for subbing again.

  21. LabradorsruleOK
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 6:16 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Lost my first effort – must remember to “refresh” every time I tune in.

    Two sittings with West just falling in the East proved more stubborn. Had to confirm the poet & I always forget that Pi association.
    17d my COTD with 2d R/U.
    Thanks to Giovanni & Senf – glad you enjoyed the golf. My County Championsip on Sunday -12 hours of waiting for something to go wrong. At least according to the forecast it shouldn’t be the weather (could be the forecast though).

    • Senf
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 7:20 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Three phases of a corporate golf outing:
      1. Pre-golf lunch – drink beer and eat.
      2. Play golf and drink beer, plus the occasional wee dram of Scotland’s finest from personal hip flask.
      3. Post-golf dinner – drink beer and eat.

      Primary objectives – raise some cash for a worthy cause and have fun – both achieved!

  22. Jon_S
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 7:47 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Fairly straightforward and enjoyable as ever, finishing in the NW corner. Pleased to guess 16ac correctly.

  23. After 10pm
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 10:09 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I do the paper version and have different wording for 11d which no-one else has mentioned – “Awfully smart phonies – people we don’t like”. Anti-social types is a more correct definition I think.

    • Senf
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 10:43 pm | Permalink | Reply

      It is not unusual for there to be a difference between clues in the print and on-line versions. What is unusual is that, today, it has taken so long for it to be commented on. Thanks for doing so.

    • Kath
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 11:08 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Oh – hadn’t noticed the difference between the paper and on-line version.
      I also do the crossword in the paper but it was so obviously an anagram that I didn’t notice it was wrong. Surely 11a’s are not ‘people we don’t like’ so much as people who don’t like us, or anyone else come to that. Who knows – I certainly don’t. :unsure:

      • Miffypops
        Posted June 17, 2017 at 12:55 am | Permalink | Reply

        Agreed Kath. A M*********e is a a person who dislikes humankind and avoids human society. Mind you true M**********s would not be high on my list of likeable people.

      • Jose
        Posted June 17, 2017 at 11:36 am | Permalink | Reply

        K. 11d: Yes, I agree with you about the paper version clue. The answer is a fairly common word but not as frequently-heard as misogynist (a woman-hater). But, funnily enough, the word misandrist (a man-hater) is hardly ever read or heard at all. Is this because we’re such lovely, likeable beings? :-)

        • jane
          Posted June 17, 2017 at 3:43 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Nope – it’s because we women have a huge arsenal of suitable words to fit the bill !

  24. Herbage
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 10:29 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Nice clues

  25. Cryptor
    Posted June 16, 2017 at 10:41 pm | Permalink | Reply

    2d held me up as googled lists of types of monkeys! Otherwise **/*** thanks to all.

    • Kath
      Posted June 16, 2017 at 11:09 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Me too with lists of monkeys – I had no idea there were so many. :roll:

  26. Tstrummer
    Posted June 17, 2017 at 12:25 am | Permalink | Reply

    Only a semi-benign Don for me – but then it’s been a hard six-night week. I enjoyed it, though, and in these dark days, the mental distraction is most welcome. Thanks to Senf and Giovanni – and to all of you whose comments I always enjoy, and occasionally agree with. 2*/4*

  27. Mcmillibar
    Posted June 17, 2017 at 12:49 am | Permalink | Reply

    Failed today with the NE corner stumping me. Mind you, I had no time for a revisit after watching son playing in the O2 Arena tonight. I could not get past Golden Rule and feel a bit dim tonight. Humbling sometimes.

  28. Hoofityoudonkey
    Posted June 17, 2017 at 7:38 am | Permalink | Reply

    Finally caught up, thanks all.

  29. Brian
    Posted June 17, 2017 at 8:41 am | Permalink | Reply

    27 across in 28,455. Could you please explain why PI is a good person. Everybody here baffled. Thank you.
    Brian.

    • Gazza
      Posted June 17, 2017 at 9:58 am | Permalink | Reply

      Brian is the alias of a long-standing commenter on the blog. Could you please modify your alias so that you don’t get confused with him?
      See Crypticsue’s response at comment #9 above for ‘pi’.

      • Brian
        Posted June 17, 2017 at 10:24 am | Permalink | Reply

        Sorry, don’t know how to find comment 9 or how to change my alias. Need spoon feeding. Unless you mean the cryptiscue remark about misleading capitals, in which case I’m none the wiser.

        • Gazza
          Posted June 17, 2017 at 10:41 am | Permalink | Reply

          Just use a different name than Brian, e.g. BrianB.
          Pi is short for pious and means deeply religious or godly so ‘good’.

          • Brian
            Posted June 17, 2017 at 10:59 am | Permalink | Reply

            Thanks for the PI explanation. Where do I go to to change the alias?

            • Gazza
              Posted June 17, 2017 at 11:41 am | Permalink | Reply

              You don’t need to go anywhere – just use a different name the next time you leave a comment.

              • Basher
                Posted June 17, 2017 at 11:51 am | Permalink | Reply

                Will do

                • Senf
                  Posted June 17, 2017 at 12:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

                  Welcome to the blog Basher. I am sure that you will find it a valuable resource in your crosswording experience.

  30. Jose
    Posted June 17, 2017 at 11:45 am | Permalink | Reply

    Excellent! I always enjoy G’s puzzle on a Friday. 3*/3.5*.

  31. Nigel
    Posted June 17, 2017 at 12:59 pm | Permalink | Reply

    You have a different clue for 11d than appeared in my paper, although similar and with the same answer.

    • crypticsue
      Posted June 17, 2017 at 1:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Welcome to the blog

      If you read all the way to the end of the comments on this post, you’ll see that there’s been a discussion about the different clue in the paper already.

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