DT 27372 (Hints)

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 27372 (Hints)

Big Dave’s Crossword Club

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As is usual for the weekend prize crosswords, an assortment of clues, including some of the more difficult ones, have been selected and hints provided for them.

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Some hints follow:

Across

1a           Open space for said hall of justice (9)
A word that sounds like (said) for followed by a hall of justice

6a           Live band’s opening work is jazz (5)
A verb meaning to live followed by the initial letter (opening) of Band and a musical work

12a         Oarsman catches lake fish that’s smoked (7)
Put this oarsman around (catches) L(ake)

13a         Last place to catch a plane ? (7,8)
A rather weak cryptic definition of the final placer a traveller goes before boarding a plane

17a         Sort of 12’s not a crustacean (7)
An anagram (sort) of 12 across after an S has replaced the A (s not a)

24a         Puzzle of engineers going by public transport (5)
The regiment of engineers followed (going) by a public service vehicle

25a         A British composer, one on the wagon (9)
The A from the clue followed by B(ritish) and the English composer remembered for his church music

Down

1d           Tentative proposal makes sense with cockney girl (6)
A sense followed by the female pronoun without the initial H (cockney style)

3d           Grasp small volume in French, going to church (6)
A small metric measure of volume followed by the French for in and CH(urch)

4d           Result of firing into the air? (6)
This could mean firing a gun towards the heavens

7d           Move tons of money allocated (6)
A verb meaning to move or shift followed by T(ons)

13d         Signal no doubts (3-5)
There are no doubts because it’s …-…..

18d         In alibi, car-bomber’s stashed acid (6)
Hidden (stashed) inside the clue is an acid salt – I’m not sure that makes it an acid

19d         Summary not quite correct (6)
This summary comes from most of (not quite) a word meaning correct

21d         Note: pair of kings ranks double (6)
The third note of the scale in sol-fa notation followed by a pair of Latin abbreviations for king and the Other Ranks soldiers

The Crossword Club is now open. Feel free to leave comments.


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The Quick crossword pun:  { leader } + { hosing } = { lederhosen }


69 Comments

  1. Collywobbles
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 12:08 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I found this puzzle quite hard. In fact, on first pass there were no clues resolved. However, with due diligence I managed to finish it before BD published so my personal target was achieved. Thank you BD for the hints but I did not need them this week and thanks to Mr. Ron for a challenging puzzle

    • mary
      Posted December 28, 2013 at 12:12 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Well done collywobs :-)

      • Collywobbles
        Posted December 28, 2013 at 12:18 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Hi Mary, how did you get on?

        • Collywobbles
          Posted December 28, 2013 at 12:19 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Oh! I see it below

  2. Sweet William
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Thank you setter. A great pleasure to sit down for a while and do the puzzle ! Family despatched to the swimming pool, so all is peace and quiet…..for now. Thanks BD for your hints as always.

  3. mary
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 12:10 pm | Permalink | Reply

    first of all many thanks to Dave and Prolixic both of whom answered my plea of help for todays crossword http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_good.gif
    Having put the wrong word in at 3d straight a way didn’t help me with 9a!!!
    Also spelling of 25a or should I say misspelling! didn’t help either!!
    As for 1a we do not pronounce the first part like that and I don’t know anyone who does!! ( not posh enough)
    Got loads of cakes and biscuits needing to be eaten if anyone ends uo in the naughty corner
    For me it was an OK puzzle today no favourite clue and a two star for difficulty IMHO of course :-)

  4. Posted December 28, 2013 at 12:29 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Well, it looks as though there’s a link to the puzzle but it don’t work for me! All I get is “page not found”!

    Anyone else having the same trouble?

  5. Posted December 28, 2013 at 12:50 pm | Permalink | Reply

    And now it’s working – how bizarre http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_scratch.gif

  6. Caroline
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Really struggled to get started and then got held up in the NE corner. I really should have got 10a sooner, particularly as I use both meanings of the word prolifically!
    As we reach the end of 2013, I would like to thank all the setters and bloggers – I couldn’t manage without you and I’m full of admiration for the speed in which the hints are posted. I don’t always comment, but I always visit! Good health and good luck to everyone for 2014!

  7. Brian
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Permalink | Reply

    One of those puzzles which in riding terms would be called a ‘Rider Frightener’. Tough to start then you wonder why you struggled. I found it very enjoyable and educational in that I didn’t know that the ********** **** was a puzzle or that 6a was a form of jazz and the composer was new to me although I thought the clue very clever.
    Thx to all concerned.

    • Merusa
      Posted December 28, 2013 at 4:14 pm | Permalink | Reply

      It never fails. Whenever you enjoy a puzzle, I know I’m going to sweat bullets to work it out!

      • andy
        Posted December 28, 2013 at 9:18 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Isn’t that the case :)

  8. Graham Wall
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I managed to solve this prior to the hints being posted. The difficulty I had was getting started. But the bottom right corner came about and the rest followed. I liked the wordplay of 8d but thought that 21d was tortuous and laboured. 3 apiece for difficulty and enjoyment and a full 5 star to Big Dave for his hints.

  9. Graham Wall
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Thank you Gazza, you all seem to be a friendly crew.

    • mary
      Posted December 28, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Oh we are Graham :-) welcome

  10. Caravaggio
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 1:40 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I hope that everyone’s had a wonderful Christmas and my best wishes for 2014. Like Caroline, I got stuck in the NE corner and, factually, it’s taken me 20 minutes or so to see the answer to 7d but I’ve got there in the end. In last Saturday’s giant GK crossword, there was a clue which related to the ninth Jack Reacher novel and I had to use Wikipedia to look it up. Rather spookily, I was bought the DVD for a Christmas present…

  11. SheilaP
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Permalink | Reply

    This looked really difficult at first sight, but with a bit of help from the electronic device, we managed to finish without help from BD. I’ve never heard of the composer in 25a, but we looked him up & there he was. Thank you to the setter & to BD of course. I wonder how the gentleman from the Netherland’s feet are? http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yes.gif

  12. williamus
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Permalink | Reply

    A relatively straightforward Saturday puzzle, nonetheless enjoyable for that. As is ever my way, a few went in because “it has to be that” before working out the derivation: I’m not enough of a perfectionist to have to understand the rationale exactly before putting pen to paper. I’ve learned a new fish and composer too. No Tipp-Ex required today. Many thanks to the setter and BD for the blog and the review.

  13. Expat Chris
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 2:08 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I found this very straightforward, today, which surprised me because I’m still hazy after partying ’til 3 am. I am way too old for such doings! 9D, 7D and 8D are my favorites.

  14. Posted December 28, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Enjoyable stuff so thanks to the setter. Only niggle is 18d which isn’t an acid – in solution it is mildly alkaline.

    **/**** from us with 23a favourite.

    Thanks also to BD.

    • Rabbit Dave
      Posted December 28, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Pommers, 18d is amphoteric because it can act as an alkali in some chemical reactions and as an acid in others.

      • Posted December 28, 2013 at 4:09 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Agreed. It can react with sodium hydroxide but to call it an acid is misleading in the extreme.

    • Heno
      Posted December 28, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Good point Pommers, your chemistry is spot on. Happy New Year.

  15. Graham Robinson-Woledge
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 2:13 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Good offering today no help required which makes a change. Many thanks to the setter & B D for the review.

  16. Sarah F
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Had little difficulty with lower half but am struggling with top left corner. Just a few more, but may have to wait until later in the week to see the answers. At the moment, can’t seem to work out the answers from the hints……! Perhaps a warm mince pie or piece of Christmas cake might restore my line of thought!

  17. Dawn
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 2:56 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Bottom half except 21d went in like a dream, one to go which is 9a and I obviously have my dense head on, any help gratefully received.

    Thanks as ever to BD, without which I would not be any good.

    I hope all had a good Christmas and best wishes for 2014

    • Dawn
      Posted December 28, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Just realised whilst doing some ironing my mistake, I did the same as Mary and had the wrong answer for 3d, at least I’ m in good company :)

      • mary
        Posted December 28, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Permalink | Reply

        The best http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_whistle3.gif

  18. spindrift
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Permalink | Reply

    No real problems with this although I had to rely on the good offices of BD & Prolixic to get the puzzles by e-mail. Thanks to they & to the setter.

    I know this isn’t the place but I felt I must share this one from The Week :

    O! (4,6)

    • Una
      Posted December 28, 2013 at 7:43 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I love the clue you have “donated “, no solution yet , of course, and it is a little harder without checkers, but I’m working on it.

    • Merusa
      Posted December 28, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I give up. I’ve had it churning in my brain all day, put me out of my misery!

    • Una
      Posted December 28, 2013 at 10:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I’ve given up, what the answer ?

    • Una
      Posted December 28, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Is it the traditional score for Norway in the euro-vision : null points ?

      • Tantalus
        Posted December 28, 2013 at 10:28 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Fact Orials? Circle line?

      • Posted December 28, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Open letter ??

        • Tantalus
          Posted December 28, 2013 at 10:42 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Holy vowels! (In a Batman kind of voice). West Hamnil?

        • Tantalus
          Posted December 28, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Just Oxygen?

        • Tantalus
          Posted December 28, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Free Radical or Only Vowel … Are we sure it is an O (Oscar) and not 0 (zero)

          • spindrift
            Posted December 29, 2013 at 10:36 am | Permalink | Reply

            LOVE LETTER!

            • Una
              Posted December 29, 2013 at 10:58 am | Permalink | Reply

              Well, honestly, what can I say ! Where does the exclamation mark fit in ? If it had been: “o”(4,6) it would make more sense to me.

              • spindrift
                Posted December 29, 2013 at 12:29 pm | Permalink | Reply

                I think the shouty sign is used by setters when they want to make you think laterally – although I stand to be corrected by my betters.

            • Merusa
              Posted December 29, 2013 at 12:32 pm | Permalink | Reply

              Well, that is clever!

            • Tantalus
              Posted December 29, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Permalink | Reply

              What’s love got to do with it?

              • spindrift
                Posted December 29, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink | Reply

                Love as in nOught at tennis

                • Tantalus
                  Posted December 29, 2013 at 2:53 pm | Permalink | Reply

                  I was claiming my “speaking in song title” bonus! Tina Turner.

            • Tantalus
              Posted December 29, 2013 at 2:56 pm | Permalink | Reply

              By Victor Young

              • spindrift
                Posted December 30, 2013 at 7:53 am | Permalink | Reply

                Of course! My apologies for being a dimwitted jobbernowl.

  19. Posted December 28, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I do wish BD wouldn’t psychically work out which clues I’ve not solved and not provide hints for them. It seems unnecessarily mean.

    Top half has two gaps. Any hints for 5 or 8d? Nm, got them.

    Also, while I’m here, have any puzzle subscribers looked into whether we’ll be getting a refund for the ludicrous downtime of the site? (I run a website for a living, and I cannot fathom how any error could take a month to fix!)

    • spindrift
      Posted December 28, 2013 at 3:09 pm | Permalink | Reply

      5d – think of two ways something could be material
      8d – split the answer 4,5

      I got £2.99 back in my account by contacting the helpdesk

  20. Rabbit Dave
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Permalink | Reply

    My rating is 2*/3* for this enjoyable puzzle today.

    I thought 17a was clever and 7d was my last one in. 21d was my favourite.

    Many thanks to the setter and to BD. Great picture for 24a!

  21. Merusa
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 4:11 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I found this a real slog. I had only four answers first read through, then the bottom half went in quite nicely. Then I hit a roadblock with the top left-hand corner. Eventually weakened and looked at the hint for 1a, then the rest went in. Thanks setter, and special thanks to BD for your help today.

    http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/smiley-phew.gif

  22. Graham Wall
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 4:49 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Thank you for your welcome Mary.

    • mary
      Posted December 29, 2013 at 10:46 am | Permalink | Reply

      Graham if you click on ‘reply’ it will link the comments

  23. Heno
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Thanks to the setter and to Big Dave for the hints. Just needed the one for 7d. Managed the bottom half first, then slowly got the top apart from 7d. Was 3*/3* for me. Managed a run this morning on my Birthday, have got the Bus pass ready for this evening! Favourite was 17a. http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_wink.gif

    • Merusa
      Posted December 28, 2013 at 6:34 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Wishing you a very, very Happy Birthday and many more! http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_rose.gif

    • Una
      Posted December 28, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Many, many happy returns ! My husband is going to get his bus pass , and train pass, next May and I can travel with him as his helper ! We plan to go and have lunch in Killarney or Connemara .

  24. Hrothgar
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Enjoyable massage of the grey matter.
    Liked 7d and the connected 12a and 17a.
    Vaguely remember 12a from childhood.
    Never see it now.
    Does anyone still eat them?
    Many thanks to the setter and BD.
    PS
    I notice the DT don’t put the copyable version on line until about 11 am
    Hey Ho.

  25. Una
    Posted December 28, 2013 at 7:54 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Not too hard and not that easy either. Re 13a, not just the last place is it ? One of those not really cryptic clues. Re 18d, personnally I don’t expect setters to be au fait with the pH of various chemicals and it was really not at all well concealed. I was annoyed with myself for not getting 4d immediately, as I have come across that clue and solution before in various guises.The clues I liked best included 22a (another oldie) and 23a and 2d. Thanks to setter and BD for the hint for 1d.

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