Sunday Toughie No 177
by Light
Hints and Tips by Sloop John Bee
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In recent conversations with Light/Twmbarlwm he says he has been permitted to be quite tough in this slot. He has certainly brought his A game today and I have reconsidered and re-parsed several clues overnight. It is hard to see beyond the sublime reversal of 1a for COTD but there are many fine clues here.
I have hinted at half of an even 14a and 14d clues today, but I will try and provide a bonus nudge if required, although I will emphasise the advice that when in doubt look for a lurker (backwards too)
Here we go, Folks…
As it is a Prize puzzle I can only hint at a few and hope that will give you the checkers and inspiration to go further. I’ll return with the full review blog just after the closing date. Don’t forget to follow BD’s instructions in RED at the bottom of the hints!
Most of the terms used in these hints are explained in the Glossary and examples are available by clicking on the entry under “See also” Where the hint describes a construct as “usual” this means that more help can be found in The Usual Suspects, which gives a number of the elements commonly used in the wordplay. Another useful page is Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing, which features words with meanings that are not always immediately obvious. Don’t forget the Mine of Useful information that Big Dave and his son Richard so meticulously prepared for us.
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Across
1a Detective writer nobody need say film director wanted back (7,7)
A masterful piece of reverse engineering here, synonyms of nobody, need, say and the film director probably most famous for Walkabout are reversed for the Belgian-born creator of a fictional French detective.
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9a Symbol put on the line by teacher apart from margins (8)
A teacher without his marginal letters and to put on the line or endanger. A symbol bloggers may use when censoring comments that go too far.
11a Remains in Nevada before using final bits of annual leave east of Illinois’s state capital (9)
Two US state abbreviations, the first of which contains some fiery remains, the final letters of annual leave to finish, and you should have another State Capital.
13a Twin son, not yet 12, heading for Europe (4)
Numbers in crossword clues usually refer to other clues, but here, “not yet 12” refers to the time of day. That abbreviation goes between the genealogical abbreviation of son and the leading letter of Europe.
17a Stay in lounge prior to shower (8)
To stay or check, a synonym of to lounge or be idle goes prior to a shower.
24a Part of the service that includes some Browning? (5,4)
Some false capitalisation is supposed to create the surface of a Robert Browning poem at a religious service, but you should be thinking of the dining service used to serve your Sunday Roast.
27a Strengthening mix of fortified wine left with church staff close to transept (8,6)
Another nice bit of Lego™. A fortified wine, l for left, a synonym of with, an abbreviated church, some staff and the closing letter of transept. So-called because it is supposed to resemble the stone of the same name.

Down
1d Stadium heralding Pat’s lob, perhaps (6,6)
A stadium or arena and to pat or touch lightly.
2d Very serious about gross animal (7)
A synonym of very and an informal adjective that means stolid, or humourless (usually combined with faced), are reversed (about) and go before a gross addition
5d Game‘s popular forward upended one defender at the start (8)
A synonym of popular, a reversal (upended) of forward or saucy, the letter that Romans use for one and the starting letter of defender.
7d Graduate in Old English once called immodest (7)
A science graduate in an Old English abbreviation. Once called provides the last two letters being the male form of the unmarried name of a married man.
15d Pope Leo, essentially good man, most civilised (8)
One of eight popes (the last of whom ceased to be pope in 1644), the essential letter of Leo and a saintly good man.
16d House not quite finished in current advanced state (8)
An astrological house without its last letter, in from the clue, and the abbreviations of current in physics and advanced, give us another State.
22d See you bagging rubbish without thinking (2,4)
A parting “See you” contains some rubbish.
Compiler
Light
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I feel obliged to mark the passing of Brian Wilson, the track that gave me my blogging name (thanks to the equally much missed JB) would be too obvious, and this is just the perfect song IMO
Especially strong from Light today. He had me from 1a – superb. 24a’s great fun, 27a too. Lovely way to clue 25a and all. Best thanks to him and Sloop.
I did like 25a too, I wanted to illustrate it with my favourite Quality Street…
Great puzzle even if 1a was an unparsed write-in (I’ll still have to google the director, of whom I’ve never heard), and I thought 24a rather weak.
Good to have a properly chewy Sunday Toughie from one of my favourite setters. Honours to 27a, 1d, 15d.
Many thanks indeed to Light and SJB
It is probably a bit naff to use Mr B in your Sunday Roast. Jus made from first principles would be fine though
Absolutely, and usually much tastier, but not necessarily brown …
Can’t disagree with SJB about 1a, although I was unfamiliar with the film director.
Very clever clueing throughout, I also particularly liked 11a 23a and 15d.
A smashing puzzle.
Thanks, Light and John for the blog.
Clifford T. Ward. Blimey, that takes me back…
His most well known film, as well as featuring his son in a supporting role, is renowned for a swimming scene featuring Jenny Agutter in the buff
Very entertaining puzzle well worthy of being labelled a Toughie – thanks to Light and SJB.
I could have listed most of the clues as ‘likes’ but I’ll limit my list to 13a, 23a, 25a, 1d and 4d.
A tough toughie not helped by SJB’s selection of hints most of which which I had already worked out. Oh dearie me! After more head scratching I think that I have got there but still struggling to parse my answer to 4d.
Favourite has to be 24a.
Thanks to Light for the tussle and SJB for some of the hints.
If you were to describe the lack of capitalisation of the pair of letters in the middle of dressing they would be … esses
To quote Homer Simpson – Doh! Thanks John.
Nothing light about this Light puzzle – indeed, quite tricky in places! I didn’t know the film director, but with the other letters duly parsed he had to be who he is. The architectural feature was also a novelty. My thanks to SJB for providing the reason for 2 letters in 7d that I didn’t know was a thing! 21d was my last one in and I think I have the correct answer for what I believe to be a double definition, but haven’t yet found a reference for the second definition – perhaps an archaic adjective…? I may be wrong, of course
Lots of ticks awarded for some fine clues, my selections being 23a, 25a and 2, 3, 4, 5 & 10 down.
My thanks to Light and to SJB
I do wonder if the last two letters of 7d existed before same-sex marriages, but I see that it is from the French (of a man) born, used in giving the original name of a titled man.
I have 21d as a d-d, but I too can’t find a specific reference in Chambers. Maybe that is why Pointless is italicised. But a frittering away would seem to be as pointless as getting as tight as a newt.
P.S. parsing the film director was one of those re-assessments that I refer to in the preamble, only coming to me after sleeping on the bung-in
God only knows why SJB didn’t provide hints for the last 2 that I could not parse. (25a & 21 d)
What a nice version,
I hope the discussion of 25a with ALP, and that of 21d with Spartacus has helped fill the gaps.
Last week Gazza hinted at 11 of 30 clues, I try and be mindful of BD’s advice when starting the Sunday Toughie, that I should aim to hint the first and last clues in each direction with a limit of about half hints overall. I sometimes fail to do so, but I think I got pretty close today
Hi SJB, my comment was not intended to criticise your selection of clues, just to get “God Only Knows” into the comments once again! But very interesting to know how you select them.
ps. Wouldn’t It Be Nice if all my failures in the prize puzzles were always hinted?
None Taken Stan
I tackle these toughies with the view that I know there is an answer…
I’m amazed, humble hopeless me has done about half! I shall stick with it tomorrow!
Thank you Light for some very clever clues, and Sloop for explaining those that were beyond me. For me, at least, you hinted exactly the right clues!