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Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 28860

Hints and tips by 2Kiwis

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BD Rating – Difficulty *** Enjoyment ****

Kia ora from Aotearoa.

Last weekend we put our clocks forward. The main difference this makes for us, apart from the longer evenings, is that we now need to wait an extra hour before we can download, solve and write the hints for the Jay puzzles. It all happens at noon instead of the 11 am start that we have had all through the winter. Not that this will affect us much in the near future as we will be taking a break from the blogging seat for the next 4 Wednesdays as one of us (Colin, who does the computer stuff) is going to be away in India until the end of October.

A quality Jay puzzle once again that we thought a bit tricky in places. 

Please leave a comment telling us how you got on.


1a     Moral determinant that’s against genetics, say? (10)
CONSCIENCE : A three letter word for against and then what genetics is an example of. Other examples could be chemistry, biology or physics.

6a     Simple student taken in by criminal (4)
BALD : The abbreviation for a learner is inside criminal or evil.

10a     Leave son needing stuff (5)
SCRAM : The abbreviation for son and then stuff or tightly fill.

11a     Scan Times in order to find such study of language (9)
SEMANTICS : An anagram (in order) of SCAN TIMES.

12a     Valedictory international bill on English stage (7)
ELEGIAC : String together the abbreviation for English, a stage as a portion of a race or journey, and then the abbreviations for international and an account.

13a     What is to eat on the move? (7)
TOASTIE : The whole clue gives the definition. The wordplay is an anagram (on the move) of IS TO EAT.

14a     People mature — or it’s a disastrous sort of relationship (6,1,5)
MENAGE A TROIS : Male people, then a verb for mature or get older and an anagram (disastrous) of OR ITS A.

18a     Fail to arrive, having run into a policeman (4,1,7)
COME A CROPPER : A word meaning to arrive, ‘A’ from the clue, then an informal word for a policeman includes the cricket abbreviation for a run.

21a     Rule reportedly after artist reversed charge (7)
ARRAIGN : Reverse the notation for a royal academician and then a homophone for a rule by a monarch.

23a     Courageous, crossing line for sweetheart (7)
DARLING : The abbreviation for line is inside a synonym for courageous.

24a     Scathing words with name for Conservative original (9)
INVENTIVE: start with a term for scathing or insulting words and change the abbreviation for Conservative to the abbreviation of name.

25a     Polish rejected by mother country (5)
BURMA : The reversal of a word meaning buff or polish and then a familiar term for mother. (This country is now usually known by a different name).

26a     Agreeable gestures from daughter hugged by lad on the way back (4)
NODS : the abbreviation for daughter is inside the reversal of a male offspring.

27a     Hamlet‘s resolution? (10)
SETTLEMENT : A double definition. Don’t be fooled by the capital H. Hamlet here is not the Shakespearean character.


1d     Gets money in return for cold remains (6)
CASHES : The letter that designates cold on a tap and then the remains left by a fire.

2d     Hospital workers harbour grudges, ultimately (6)
NURSES : A word meaning harbour or protect and then the last letter of grudges.

3d     European allowances underpinning trainee chef’s sympathies (14)
COMMISERATIONS : A word  from the French for a trainee chef is followed by the abbreviation for European and then allowances or allotted portions.

4d     Simple cleaner welcomes one place to sit (4,5)
EASY CHAIR : A synonym for simple and ‘a lady wot does’ contains the Roman numeral one.

5d      Somewhat accurate mock-up reflecting object in space (5)
COMET : A reversed lurker hiding in the clue.

7d     Flying first-class, accommodating five people without leader (8)
AVIATION : The letter and number denoting first class surround the Roman numeral five, then a word for a people or country loses its first letter.

8d     Spread out terribly impressed, having lost millions (8)
DISPERSE : An anagram (terribly) of ImPRESSED once the abbreviation for millions has been removed.

9d     Relent if banter upset, embarrassing non-conformist (6,8)

15d     Practical divorcee exercises with nuts originally in regimen (9)
EXPEDIENT : A divorcee or former partner then the two letters for physical exercises, and then an eating regimen contains the first letter of nuts.

16d     Grounds for affair? (8)
OCCASION : A double definition.

17d     Film regularly shown got better (8)
IMPROVED : The second and fourth letters of film and then shown or demonstrated to be true.

19d     Run through newspaper article about resistance (6)
PIERCE : The physics symbol for resistance is inside a newspaper article.

20d     Shocked husband in story turned up on time (6)
AGHAST : The abbreviation for husband is inside the reversal of an epic tale, and finally, the abbreviation for time.

22d     Green water in France is on the up (5)
NAIVE : The reversal of a brand name of a French mineral water.

Quickie pun     mince    +    hoarse    =      mint sauce

61 comments on “DT 28860

  1. The usual enjoyable Jay crossword – which I found more straightforward that most Wednesdays. Thank you to him and the 2Ks

    The main problem today was finding the crossword as due to two advertisements from Waitrose, we didn’t have a back pager or even an inside back pager, but a two-pages inside back pager. :(

    1. You were lucky today I didn’t get the dead tree as the newsagent forgot to order the telegraph. I’ve done the cryptic on my phone but no toughie for me today.

      1. Forgot to order the Telegraph? I hope the fellow is now in the village stocks being pelted with rotten fruit.

  2. 3* / 4.5*. I made very good progress with about 80% of this excellent puzzle and I thought I was going to get home in under my 2* time. However the last few clues took me up to 3*.

    My page was littered with ticks with 27a my favourite plus a special mention for 18a.

    Many thanks to Jay and the 2Ks.

  3. I got to a computer an hour early today so can comment in real time, so to speak. Unusually, the puzzle is on the antepenultimate page! I thought it was very good – a decent challenge, fine clues and very enjoyable. Fav of a great bunch: 24a. 3* / 4*

  4. What happened to the answer to 24 across. It was the only one I was unsure about. I put inventive because it fitted!

    1. Your comment needed moderation because you’ve expanded your alias.
      The hint for 24a appears to have gone missing during the time change in New Zealand. I’ve added a hint which I hope the 2Ks will approve of.

    2. Thank you Lynne for pointing it out and thank you Gazza for putting it right.
      See my comment further down the blog.

  5. At first glance I thought Jay had been busy going through a ‘big words’ list but, in the event, the bark proved to be worse than the bite and I worked through it more or less in numerical order.

    A really good puzzle with my top two being in line with those of RD – 18 & 27a.

    Thanks to Jay and to our 2Ks – hope you enjoy your trip to India, Colin, and I trust that your other half has got plenty of diversions lined up to fill her days!

    Anyone with a bit more time to spend on crosswords today will find another excellent puzzle from our own Silvanus in the Independent.

    1. Thanks for the tip Jane – today’s Toughie is very accessible and enjoyable, so I’ll give Silvanus’ latest a go next.

  6. Having eventually found the crossword, and after a struggle with the paper akin to Johnny Weissmuller wrestling an alligator, I enjoyed this as usual from Jay. The quickie pun amused, too.

    Hard to pick a fave, liked it all – so many thanks to Jay and to our 2Ks for the for the write-up.

  7. Today’s exercise once I had located it was undemanding but great fun with my Fav being 27a. Thank you Jay and the 2Kiwis. Now to listen to what the PM has in store for us. Beautiful sunny day in West Sussex.

  8. I felt tuned in today and really enjoyed the solve, a **/**** for me.
    Like Crypticsue I am going to have a moan at the location-at this rate we will be hidden in the middle before long.
    Liked 13a and the surface of 27a which mislead me nicely
    The quickie pun was a belter-thanks all..

  9. Another very enjoyable mid-week challenge completed at a gallop – **/****.

    I suspect that there might be some who will have a moan about the ‘foreign language’ content of 14a and 9d, although I am reasonably certain that both could be considered oldies but goodies.

    Candidates for favourite – 14a, 18a, and 22d – and the winner is 18a with 22d very close behind.

    Thanks to Jay and the 2Ks, safe travels Colin and I am looking forward to being the first substitute next Wednesday.

    1. I think that 14a and 9d, even though in a foreign language, are pretty well embedded in English now.

  10. I wouldn’t argue with the co-favourites already selected, 18 and 27a. As usual for a Wednesday, there were many great clues to choose from, so we are spoilt for choice. I thought this was just about the perfect crossword – nicely challenging, beautifully clued and great fun to complete.

    So thank you, Jay, and the 2Ks.

  11. What a difference from yesterday when I breezed through the Toughie and ground to an early halt on the ‘back page” which ultimately defeated me.
    Today both puzzles were, to my relief, on my wavelength.
    My only quibble is to the illustration to 25a. On a recent visit to Myanmar I felt that another – barefoot – visit to the Shwedagon pagoda, would have me going home by the first plane!
    Thanks to the setter and the 2 Kiwis. I hope Colin’s tummy is up to the challenge of India.

  12. Very pleasant puzzle, over too quickly. I needed 3d to get my letters in the right order for 13a – I always spell that word incorrectly! A bit of a French theme today?. Only 21a stood out for me today. As yesterday, I recommend today’s Toughie for anyone who is normally a bit afeared of it.

  13. A very enjoyable puzzle from Jay, with some pretty simple clues to answer and some, for me that is, not quite so simple. Having several anagrams to solve was a great help in filling in many of the blanks and which finaly led to an ‘even time’ finish. As ever, thanks to setter and hinter alike.

  14. It’s amazing how much you can complete in a hospital waiting room! Finished it at a fair pace and I really liked 22d. Thanks everyone for helping me pass the time pleasantly.

  15. 1a 12a 21a my spelling practice for today.
    3d 14a faves today.
    6a most stretched synonym for me.
    No dead tree today so no toughie practice going to see if I can have a go at Silvanus in the Indy.
    Thanks to J and 2K’s enjoy the break.

  16. Jay at his consistent best, with another excellent midweek puzzle.

    My favourite, because it’s not that easy to clue, was 7d.

    Many thanks to Mr Mutch and the 2Ks, and I hope that Colin has a very enjoyable trip.

    P.S. Thanks too to Jane for promoting my own puzzle today.

    1. Enjoyed the puzzle but the indy/android interface is even harder to navigate than the Telegraph one but loved the puzzle.

        1. We have just printed out and done your Indy puzzle as a Thursday morning treat. An enjoyable puzzle, thanks.

  17. This definitely strayed into 3.5 territory for me but a very enjoyable if stiff challenge. COTD has to be 18a, my late mother used the phrase many times when warning me about my various nefarious deeds. Wise lady!
    Many thanks to all.

  18. 4/4. A very enjoyable puzzle although I needed a bit of help from the 2Ks (thank you) for the NW corner. 14a was my favourite. Thanks also to the setter.

  19. I started with the downs today’s most enjoyable puzzle. I got held up in the NE corner, needing hints for a couple. I know that we’ve had 13a before but it’s not something I’m familiar with, must google.
    Fave was 18a with 14a runner up..
    Thanks to Jay and 2Kiwis for the fun.

  20. Nice offering from Jay 😃 **/*** favourites 3d & 27a Thanks to Jay and the 2x Ks 🤗

  21. Morning all.
    We’re scratching our heads trying to understand what happened with the hint for 24a. We both remember writing it and it was almost word for word what Gazza has written on our behalf except we had “This is a substitution clue.” as the opening sentence. However when we look at our draft document from which we had copied and pasted to the blog, there is no trace of 24a there. Wonder what could possibly have happened to it. Very strange gremlins indeed.
    Thanks in advance to our fellow bloggers who will be looking after the Wednesday slot for the next four weeks. We’ll be back again in November.

    1. Have a great trip. The 31st will be in my hands. I am looking forward to it. Thanks for today’s blog

  22. Last one in 18d , double definitions can sometimes throw me and this one sure did , even with all the checking letters in place .6a didn’t impress and I didn’t know 12a but otherwise fairly straightforward and amusing .18d cotd with 7and 9d taking the minor medals .Thanks to Jay and the 2Ks

  23. Just noticed that Dennis the Menace (albeit both US and UK versions) appears in both of todays blogs. I bet that is a rare occurance.

  24. India? I am not envious…. much! Hope the trip goes well.
    Re today’s crossword, fun to complete with no real holdups encountered. I quite liked 1a so that’s my favourite.
    Thanks to Jay, and to the 2K’s for their review.

  25. An enjoyable solve. Quite a few went in on a hunch and the definition, but I got away with it finishing in say ** time. If I’d had to untangle the wordplay more often it might have taken somewhat longer.

  26. Comment disappeared into the ether. Try again. Not too hard today, and hold ups were my own slowness. Favourites were 14a and 18a, like Merusa. Not run across 12a before. Thanks to Jay and 2Kiwis for enjoyable puzzle.

  27. NW corner was last to fall as I hesitated over 2d. A bit too simple for my liking.
    12a came from memory which is always a good sign.
    Thanks to Jay and to 2ks for the review.

    1. 12a came from my memory too although it was my last one in. Did not have time to do yesterday but did upon waking and no hold ups. Enjoyed the French having just come back from Bergerac.

  28. Late again .
    I think it’s all been said by now so I’ll just add that I particularly appreciated 14 and 18a and 4 and 16d – one of those is my favourite . . . :unsure:
    With thanks to Jay and to the Kiwis.

  29. Sorry, late as still trying to recover from the BBC deciding that Zoe Ball is actually a DJ.
    Nepotism rules ok.
    Nice crossword, thank Jay and 2xKiwis

    1. Hi HIYD – anything or anybody is better than the dross from the ‘Ginger One’ in my opinion. Still, I do agree that there are more suitable people who could fill the gap. As long as it’s not Jeremy Vine :cool:

  30. Bit of headscratching this evening but got there eventually. Very enjoyable, lots of favourites, perhaps 12a, 24a & 22d best.
    Thanks to all.

  31. The usual Wednesday treat from Jay – thought it was a touch more difficult than normal but enjoyable nonetheless. No particular favourite – just all round good fun.

    Thanks to our Wednesday Wizard for the puzzle and to the 2K’s for their review.

    One of the many things I enjoy about this site is the opportunity to be guided to other crosswords where some of our regular bloggers have had their work published – today’s Silvanus puzzle is an excellent example. Well done sir.

  32. Very enjoyable. Not taxing at all but interesting clues. Glad I can still do them having been away from crosswords for a bit. Got 25a but wonder if it should have said “old country”. On the French theme spent a little time trying to fit “Eau” into 22d so that it my favourite down clue. There is a tie across between 14 and 18. Thanks Jay. Bon Voyage Colin – referring to a comment above my last trip to India brought about no ill-effects whatsoever.

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