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DT 28830

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 28830

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BD Rating – Difficulty *** Enjoyment ****

Kia ora from Aotearoa.
We’re back to our usual two person team again and the weather has been much more conducive to our regular outdoor activities this week. We keep an eye out on our regular walks for the first ducklings of the season but have not seen any yet. They can’t be far away.
Jay had us working harder than usual to solve this one  so have upped the difficulty rating by a star.

Please leave a comment telling us how you got on.


1a     A sharp intake of breath when pinched by doctor (4)
GASP : A two letter word for when is inside a General Practitioner.

3a      Shrink grabs bar, tense — time’s up here (5,5)
CLOCK TOWER : Bar, or close securely and the abbreviation for tense are inside a word meaning shrink in a frightened manner.

9a     Dead calm at last in centre (4)
NUMB : The last letter of calm is inside a centre or kernel.

10a     Rule a fund out — investment ultimately crooked (10)
FRAUDULENT : An anagram (out) of RULE A FUND plus the last letter of investment.

11a     Cooks with spices (hot, not cold) getting runs (7)
HURRIES : Start with a word that means cooks with spices in the manner of Indian cuisine and change the first letter following the instructions given in brackets.

13a     Sources of hope and inspiration in fresh salad plants (7)
DAHLIAS : The first letters of hope and inspiration are included in an anagram (fresh) of SALAD.

14a     Travelling salesman’s back before one, sorry with no hotel (11)
PERIPATETIC : Reverse the abbreviation for a salesman, add the Roman numeral one and then a word meaning sorry or derisory once the letter represented by hotel has been removed.

18a     Sensible and practical — not death row rioting (4-2-5)
DOWN-TO-EARTH : An anagram (rioting) of NOT DEATH ROW.

21a     Another male full of hot air (7)
THERMAL : A lurker hiding in the clue.

22a     Mature group in the van, dressing (7)
BANDAGE : A group or team precedes (is in the van) mature or get older.

23a     Criminal is dapper in trousers (10)
DRAINPIPES : An anagram (criminal) of IS DAPPER IN.

24a     Attempt to cover new dilemma (4)
BIND : The abbreviation for new is inside an attempt or even an offer at an auction.

25a     Errors concerned with places of interest (10)
OVERSIGHTS : A four letter word meaning concerned with and then places of interest that a tourist might go to.

26a     Back inside declare a recess (4)
REAR : A lurker hiding in the clue.


1d     Signs up, excited about husband getting such helicopters (8)
GUNSHIPS : An anagram (excited) of SIGNS UP that includes the abbreviation for husband.

2d     Hat found in dark room, oddly (8)
SOMBRERO : Dark or gloomy and then the first and third letters of room.

4d     Primate seeing flower-seller without protection! (5)
LORIS : Remove the first and last letters (the protection) from a flower-seller.

5d     Change of rule due to pact being renegotiated (4,5)
COUP DETAT : An anagram (being renegotiated) of DUE TO PACT.

6d     Knack required on check for input device (5,6)
TOUCH SCREEN : A knack or proficiency and then a check or filtering grille.

7d     Small disgusting tailless insect (6)
WEEVIL : A Scottish origin word for small and then a word for disgusting loses its last letter.

8d     What might allow poor setter to become qualified? (6)
RETEST : The whole clue gives the definition. The answer is an anagram (poor) of SETTER.

12d     Tips men off about American coin defects (11)
IMPEDIMENTS : An American coin worth ten cents is inside an anagram (off) of TIPS MEN.

15d     Material that hurt in revealing (9)
TOWELLING : An exclamation saying ‘That hurt!’ is inside revealing or narrating.

16d     Nice surprise found on one’s English paper (8)
TREATISE : A word for a nice surprise and then the short way of writing ‘one is’ and the abbreviation for English.

17d     Quiet, more left-wing item of office equipment (8)
SHREDDER : A request to be quiet and the comparative adjective for the colour associated with the left-wing.

19d     Film company boss found on moon (6)
STUDIO : A boss or knob and then one of the moons of Jupiter.

20d     A & E charge to mix in air (6)
AERATE : The letters A and E from the clue and a charge or fee.

22d     Complain, having to set table (5)
BLEAT : An anagram (having to set) of TABLE.

3a is our favourite today.

Quickie pun     breaks    +    heat    +    ears    =    Brexiteers

58 comments on “DT 28830

  1. Pleased to see that I’m not alone in finding Jay trickier than usual, while maintaining the enjoyment factor

    Thanks to all the birds

    1. Ditto. Tough for me in parts but a good all round workout. As I only get the electronic version I’m always frustrated that we iPadders are excluded from toughies. I know the DT are aware of our frustration but they never seem to be able to include them. Anybody out there who knows why? Thanks to Jay and the 2Ks, as always.

      1. You can get the Toughies on your iPad (I do), but you do have to pay the separate puzzle subscription, in addition to the DT subscription. I pay it so that I can print the cryptics. You’d think it would be included in the DT subscription, but sadly it is not.

        1. Thank you Lizzie. Yes you would think it would be included and am miffed that extra money has to be paid for printout plus.
          We seem to get BMDs as of a few weeks ago which slightly astonishes me in this electronic age!

          1. It is included.Crack On. Have s look at the advert on the front page. It clearly states “All of The Telegraph delivered to your tablet or smartphone” therefore it must be in there somewhere I’m blowed if I can find it though.

            1. I know it says that, and having paid for the puzzles for years, I thought I could save that cost when we retired and signed on for the newspaper subscription. It was the DT that then explained to me that I could see the Cryptics but not print them. So, being old school, I opted to continue paying for both. It’s not cheap but both give a lot of pleasure. And a plus is being able to see the Toughies, although they are typically above my pa grade.

              1. I have DT vouchers that give me the paper at a reduced rate as well as other discounts. Needless to say, the toughie and then the back page are my first port of call1

  2. I sailed through this without any real problems but enjoyed the gentle work-out however didn’t identify any Fav candidates en route. Once again surely an apostrophe should feature in 5d. Quickie pun is topically amusing. Thank you Mysteron and the 2Ks.

  3. Must have slept well, as I found this quite
    achievable, and before coffee too! 14a clue of the day for me. Thanks to all.

  4. What a cracking puzzle! A good challenge, excellent clues and very enjoyable/entertaining. For 9a I had **M* in the grid and was convinced it had to be a lurker with the answer ALMA being the “centre” of cALM At – but it wasn’t. Favs of a first class bunch: 23a – I bet some of the younger solvers won’t have heard of those trousers; 12d – a simply great clue; 23
    a – I like the misdirectional use of “in the van” to mean “at the front”. I could go on – a wonderful, wonderful crossword! 3.5* / 4.5*

  5. Interesting puzzle today with some excellent cluing and going for a **/****.
    Last in was 3a which I had difficulty parsing.
    I3a had me searching for salad plants , nice misdirection by our setter and 19d produced a new moon for me !
    Favourite was 14a as I love the word itself .
    Top draw Quickie today.
    Thanks all.

  6. 3* / 4*. A challenging and supremely enjoyable Wednesday puzzle but such a shame about the wrong enumeration of a foreign word in 5d – the second time in a few days.

    1d was either a new word for me or one I have forgotten!

    On my podium today are: 3a, 14a & 23a.

    Many thanks to Jay and the 2Ks.

  7. Thanks to all concerned for an excellent puzzle and an excellent blog. Those of you who wish to dip a toe into toughieland might like to try today’s Toughie from Kcit. Yes it is harder than a back pager but it only contains the usual elements of cluing. Nothing outrageous

  8. I didn’t find much to stop me from completing this in *** time. I too enjoyed the use of ‘van’ in 22a, clever.

    Many thanks to Jay and the 2Ks.

  9. From all the excellent clues on offer, I think 14a was my favourite. As others have said, the missing apostrophe in the otherwise superb 5d took a small amount of shine off a great puzzle. That aside, this was Jay at his best, with a fair amount of trickiness to make it more interesting and enjoyable.

    Thanks to him and the 2Ks.

  10. Another cracker from Jay a bit of a struggle to start with but once the longer solutions went in the rest followed but not without another bit of a struggle.
    Favourite 14a and 7d. Great result fir the All Blacks against the Aussies(again)
    Thanks to Jay and the 2Ks.

  11. Took some time to get going and held up by 3a and 5d. More satisfaction of a job well done rather than enjoyment. Thanks to all.

      1. Thanks Sue, in 10 minutes I got more Toughie answers than I did staring at the back-pager for an hour!

  12. BD (or someone else), is there a rule (written or unwritten) that leaving out an apostrophe in an answer, e.g 5d, is a ‘no-no’ or is it perfectly acceptable and down to the setter to insert or omit?

    I’ve always thought it was okay but, looking at the above comments, maybe it’s a big fat ‘Quack quack oops’.

    I had a quick look around your oh so splendid blog but couldn’t find anything. So, forgive me if the answer is lurking somewhere.

    1. I was going to ask what the convention is with these foreign words. I sometimes find it annoying and I think this is the second time in a week or so, but, on the other hand, if it was English we wouldn’t think the word 4 words ago should be regarded as anything other than one word, would we?
      If you get me……

      1. And in any case, it’s so commonly used that it might be regarded as an English term.

        1. I find it very irritating. The answer is in fact 3 words (the second one being abbreviated). Perhaps because I speak French.

    2. In general, punctuation is excluded from the enumeration because it can make the answer obvious. Hyphens are an exception because they can alter the meaning of a word (e.g. set up vs set-up).

      Apostrophes in foreign words seem to be a gray area. I’m not aware of any rule there, and the data suggests that it comes down to whether the editor prefers to include an apostrophe in the enumeration to indicate that the answer is foreign or to exclude it to make the answer less obvious. I’ve found eight previous appearances of 5d in Telegraph puzzles since 2002. While the four published 2002-2006 were enumerated (4,5), the next four published from 2013-2015 all had (4,1’4). I also found six appearances in the Guardian Cryptic, all enumerated (4,5).

      1. Mr K – you are a legend.

        BD is obviously ‘The Man’ but every superhero needs his batman and he has one in the shape of ‘Special K’.

        Such a great answer…..other than your ‘doh’ spelling of ‘Grey’ (obviously a typo).

        In case people mix them up, try this for size…

        ‘grEy is E for English’ ‘grAy is A for American’

        1. There are also , at least , 50 shades of grey/gray as shown by the men players who are supposed to wear that colour of trousers/shorts on certain occasions on the bowling green !

  13. Definitely Jay at his trickiest, even with nine anagrams! I can’t recall another Wednesday puzzle this year that has taken me quite so long to solve, but it was a delight to unravel.

    My three for the podium today were 1a, 21a and 15d.

    The unwritten rule these days regarding apostrophes in enumeration is that they are ignored, although I don’t think that has always been the case. Had 5d today been (4,1’4), there is a good argument that the answer might have been considered too obvious, but I do have sympathies with those who take the opposite view.

    Many thanks to Mr Mutch and to Colin and Carol.

  14. Agree with the 2xKs a tad more difficult than Jay’s normal offering ***/*** but a feeling of satisfaction upon completing 😃 Favourites 23a & 6d Agree with Angelov about the apostrophe in 5d 😬 Big thanks to J, K & K for a good work out! 😜

  15. Giving up for now with only a third filled in. Hopefully all will be come clear after a walk and another coffee. Might have a go at that Toughie as recommended.

  16. Out of my depth with this one, never on the radar and don’t want to finish it using lots of hints. Congrats to all those who have completed it. Never mind could be a Ray T to look forward to tomorrow! Might have another look later or try the Toughie?

    1. Completed about half of the grid at the previous post then took a break came back and managed to complete with a couple of hints from the 2K’s blog in SE corner, last in 24a Strange just couldn’t get on the right wavelength at the first attempt then it all came together and a few of the clues even looked straightforward? Pleased I had another look.

      Clues of the day: 3a / 6d

      Rating 4* / 3.5*

      Thanks to 2K’s and Jay.

  17. Good challenge! Jay is in a trickier mode today. An enjoyable solve with I think, 3a being favourite.
    Thanks to Jay, and the 2K’s for their review.

  18. Found this puzzle great fun, with many clues receiving virtual ticks. Highlights for me were 3a, 9a, 14a, 26a, and 20d. Thanks to Jay and to the 2Kiwis.

  19. Liked it. I found this a fairly comfortable challenge completed in good time (for me). I was convinced that 11a was an anagram because of ‘cooks’ – spices (take the c out and replace with h) then the r for runs. Eventually the penny dropped heavily which I imagine a few of you in crossword land may have heard. So, it has to be my favourite. 3a also worth a mention.

  20. Delightful crossword perhaps over anagrammed although some were cleverly disguised .

    Finished earlier today before the hints and liked 3a best but only just in front of several others of quality .

    Will scan the blog now and get the general concensus.

    Thanks to everyone from sunny & warm old South Wales .

  21. Took me ages to get going but as is often the case with Jay’s puzzles once I did it flowed nicely. I have no issue with 5d (but can see the point of those that do), I was just happy to get the answer!
    Top of the pops for me was 14a (what a great sounding word).
    Thanks to Jay for a tough but fair challenge and to the 2 Kiwis for explaining it all.

  22. Thanks to Jay and to the 2 Kiwis for the review and hints. What a super puzzle, but very tricky. I only had about 10 answers after the first pass, mostly in the bottom half. I perservated as Mary would say, and got there in the end. 15d made me laugh. I took ages on 10 and 11a, but my favourite was 13a, because the definition was so elusive.

  23. Couldn’t agree more with this being at the trickier end of the spectrum but an absolute delight to solve. 3.5/4. 22a is probably my favourite – such a clever use of van which misdirected me for far too long. Thanks to Jay and the 2Ks for the review.

  24. I found this a bit hard going, not helped that my first answer for 23a was ‘pinstriped’ because I did not check if the letters i used were in the anagram. I was led astray by the two p’s.

    Thanks to setter and 2kiwis.

    1. Near enough is good enough for anagrams Hec99. I would have left it at pinstriped and made the rest fit around it. A completed grid is a completed grid.

  25. I started out well on the first run through, very encouraging, but really struggled with the stragglers.
    I never did get 3a and 5d, but I feel I should have. Thanks for those hints Mr. K.
    My fave was 14a, but there were several smile worthy clues.
    I didn’t know the other word for helicopters, live and learn.
    Thanks to Jay and 2Kiwis, much enjoyment today.

  26. Toughest backpager for several weeks, imho, just scraped in without help.
    Thanks to setter and 2Ks.

  27. Morning all.
    It looks like we got the difficulty assessment pretty right this time. Always a tricky thing to judge as it is so subjective and often depends on just one or two clues that hold up individual solvers. The enjoyment rating is much more significant to us and Jay seems to have the happy knack of always giving full value.

  28. Hi all – I’ve been lurking around this great site for some time but it’s time to join in as I have a question today.

    I thought this was a very enjoyable puzzle but was stuck on 20d – having only to fill in the letters not from other clues. Then it came to me: A & E from the clue and a charge – DEBT – answer DEBATE (something you do if you air opinions) Except it wasn’t! However does anyone agree my answer isn’t exactly wrong? Did anyone else think it was that?

    1. Welcome to the blog Fuseman.
      At a first glance that looks a very plausible alternative answer you have put forward for 20d. DEBT is still in the correct order, so not an indirect anagram and mix could be read as an instruction to put the A and E into it. The word order in the clue doesn’t quite work in telling you to do this, but perhaps near enough.
      Must admit that option had not occurred to us, well done for spotting it.

  29. Bit late to this but I did enjoy the struggle. Others have already mentioned most of my problems I will add my thanks to Jay and 2K’s. Thanks to statto for the info re foreign apostrophes too. I will go and have a stab at toughie TTFN

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  31. Very enjoyable puzzle-needed the hints (much appreciated) to finish though.
    Lked the fraudulent investment (10A), the homeless salesman (14A) and the criminal in drainpipes(23A) among others.

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