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DT 28680

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 28680

Hints and tips by 2Kiwis

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BD Rating – Difficulty **Enjoyment ****

Kia ora from Aotearoa.

It’s official. The summer that is just drawing to a close has, throughout the country, been the hottest on record. In contrast, today is cooler than usual with lots of rain.
We’re back to our two person team again.
When we looked at the clock as we finished we found we had solved the puzzle in two star time but it had felt a bit trickier than that whilst we were doing it.
The quickie pun is worth a look. Jay has given us one of his specialties, a real ‘groaner’ this week.

Please leave a comment telling us how you got on.


1a     Document required for transferring estate car? (10)
CONVEYANCE : Two definitions. The second describes what a car is used for.

6a     Check containers on the way back (4)
STOP : The answer reversed gives containers that could be used for cooking.

10a     Insomniac crackpot’s accommodating city (5)
ACCRA : A lurker hiding in the first two words of the clue.

11a     Bank employee gets hold of artist — very representative (9)
TRAVELLER : Inside a word for somebody working behind the counter in a bank we have a Royal Academician and the abbreviation for very.

12a     Advertise concert, anticipating on-target earnings (7)
PROMOTE : A kind of orchestral concert held annually in London and then the first letters (anticipating) of the last three words of the clue. the abbreviation for on-target earnings. (Thanks Gazza)

13a     Comfort seamstress hugging returning expert (7)
MAESTRO : A reversed lurker found in the first two words of the clue.

14a     Wise man touring America registers snack food (7,5)
SAUSAGE ROLLS : A wise man surrounds United States of America and then ‘registers’ are lists of people.

18a     Gives approval for bit of bridge needing impressions (6-6)
RUBBER-STAMPS : The bit of bridge is a series of the card game, and then ‘impressions’ can be imprints.

21a     22‘s doctor needing season to start late (7)
DRUMMER : An abbreviation for doctor, and then the season that is coming to an end for us, loses its first letter.

23a     Mass-market power with uranium found in Arctic environment (7)
POPULAR : The abbreviation for power and the chemical symbol for uranium are inside a word that locates the arctic environment.

24a     Celebrities will eat fish — they flock together (9)
STARLINGS : A fish of the cod family is inside celebrities or leading performers.

25a     Landowner left daughter taking in broadcast (5)
LAIRD : The abbreviations for left and daughter surround broadcast or make public.

26a     Votes against hooter being sounded (4)
NOES : Being sounded indicates a homophone of what can be commonly called a hooter.

27a     Happy to accept son is dependable (10)
CONSISTENT : The abbreviation for son and IS from the clue are inside a word meaning happy.


1d     Vices shown by person elected in short order (6)
CLAMPS : Somebody elected to parliament is inside an order or group that is shortened by having its last letter removed.

2d     Food from Mexico boy set up outside a church (6)
NACHOS : ‘A’ from the clue and the abbreviation for church are inside the reversal of a male offspring.

3d     Improve and take lad off for a drink (10,4)
EVAPORATED MILK : An anagram (off) of IMPROVE and TAKE LAD.

4d     Bill locks ladies in green room, perhaps (9)
ACTRESSES : The two letter abbreviation for a bill and then locks as may grow on one’s head.

5d     Check weapon for magnetism (5)
CHARM : The chess abbreviation for check and a general word for a weapon.

7d     Story after count will be revealing (8)
TELLTALE : Count as the bank employee from 11a might do, and then a synonym for a story.

8d     Left on boat with temperature missing elegance shown by ocean dweller (8)
PORPOISE : Remove the abbreviation for temperature from the nautical word for left and then a word meaning elegance.

9d      They may hold up lines of communication (9,5)
TELEGRAPH POLES : A cryptic definition. The lines of communication are copper wires.

15d     Couple propping up the bar at football? (9)
GOALPOSTS : A cryptic definition of the upright parts of the target structure in several forms of football.

16d     Takes unfair advantage of Democrat taken in by jittery senator (6,2)
TRADES ON : An anagram (jittery) of SENATOR includes the abbreviation for Democrat.

17d     Stubborn, and planning bad route (8)
OBDURATE : An anagram (planning) of BAD ROUTE.

19d      Plant a tree across lake (6)
ALPINE : ‘A’ from the clue, the abbreviation for lake and a tree that probably has needles.

20d     Accept honour (6)
CREDIT : Double definition.

22d     Percussionist must have love to support band (5)
RINGO : A band or group is followed by the tennis score love.

We usually start with 1a but we needed several checkers before that one fell for us so it becomes our favourite.

Quickie pun     water    +    pull    +    lava    =    what a palaver


74 comments on “DT 28680

  1. I put a rare ** by the Quickie pun today. I did have to use a bit of Tippex in the SW corner today but finished in 2* time too. The usual enjoyable solve so thank you to Jay and the reunited Kiwis

            1. Moi aussi and 1a LOI too but an enjoyable solve nontheless thanks to 2K’s and setter.

  2. A very pleasant and enjoyable solve completed at a gallop – **/****.

    Candidates for favourite – 1a, 14a, and 9d – and the winner is 9d.

    Thanks to Jay and the 2 Ks.

    P.S. The Toughie is quite doable (as I was able to solve it before lights out last night).

  3. 2* / 5*. Yes, it’s yet another superb Wednesday puzzle as we have come to expect week in, week out.

    I did put a question mark by 3d as I wouldn’t describe this as a drink. Surely it’s either a dessert topping or recipe ingredient? I suppose you could drink it, but I would have thought it was too sickly for that. Chacun à son gout.

    Almost every clue was awarded a tick and I’ve given double ticks to 1a, 13a, 9d, 15d & 20d.

    Many thanks to Jay and the 2Ks.

    1. My daughter was brought up on evaporated milk. It was the only milk available for her bottle when we were living in West Africa. Good puzzle but I also put treads on. Thank you for the hints and to the setter.

  4. Finished in * time but hugely enjoyable. I too thought that the overall definition in 3d was a bit extreme, and would also have used Tippex in the SW corner, if any had been to hand.

    COTD is 1a for me.

    Many thanks to Jay and the 2Ks.

    1. At 50p a can, I have just purchased and checked. It is not potable.

      Well, I suppose if you were in a trench with Jerry lobbing heavy bits of metal at you. . . .

        1. Surely that is condensed milk? (On sandwiches). Evaporated is too thin unless you boil it in the tin.

      1. Or on a caravanning holiday in the very hot summer of 1958 (?) when the fresh milk available at the site shop had all gone off and the only option was to add water to 3d

        1. A lot of locals here in the Caribbean, many of whom do not have refrigeration, use it by the gallons – drink it, cook with it and, for all I know, may even spread it on sandwiches. I might try that.

          1. Growing up we had no access to fresh milk and we used diluted 3d for all milk requirements. I quite like it on fresh fruit salad.

  5. An enjoyable puzzle today, with my favourite being 15d.

    Many thanks to Jay, and to the 2Kiwis.

  6. Jay on top form yet again with this excellent Wednesday puzzle. Full of fun, concise clueing and with enough head-scratching to keep it interesting from beginning to end. Difficult to pick a favourite, but I will stick with my preference for rekruls and go for 13a. Overall 2* /5* for me.

    Thanks to all three birds.

  7. Firstly loved the Quickie Pun.
    Another top draw puzzle and a **/****, we must be due a ‘stinker’
    Apart from initially putting’ treads on’ for 16a, which sounded reasonable to me, ,all went smoothly.
    Liked the link up between 22d and 21a, seem to remember someone saying he wasn’t even the best drummer in the Beetles !
    Thanks 2K’sfor the blog pics, the birds seem to be nesting early this year

  8. Good crossword yet again from Jay. No real problems; 2/4* overall with the 21/22 combo being my fave… but then they always were.
    Thanks to Jay, and the 2K’s for their review.

    1. “Best drummer in the world? He wasn’t even the best drummer in the Beatles” – Jasper Carrott.

      1. A bit of an urban myth, I’m afraid (same way, Paul McCartney has often been cited as ‘unable to read music’ – whereas in reality, he studied classical piano!

  9. Very enjoyable and comfortable solve today. [**/*****]
    Enjoyed most clues though 9d has to be my favourite. (Loved the quickie pun as well, excellent :D )

    Thanks to Jay and the 2Ks!

  10. As is often the case, first impression was somewhat forbidding but before long it all began to fall into place during a pleasant solve. Bunged in 1d as I failed to come up with shortened order synonym. The thought of drinking undiluted or even diluted 3d brings on a feeling of nausea 🤮. 18a was Fav and I also liked Jay’s Quickie ‘groaner’. Thank you Jay and the 2Kiwis team.

  11. Another classic crossword, full of interesting bits and pieces, the quality keeps building.
    Favourite 13a, thanks to the 2Ks and of course to Jay.

  12. Brilliant but I was very slow to get started – I loved the Quickie pun.
    Unlike the rest of you with your tippex and rubbers it didn’t occur to me that 16d was wrong so when I couldn’t do 21a I thought it had to be a name. Oh dear! :roll:
    1d was OK once I changed my mind about the kind of vices.
    Not many anagrams today.
    I particularly liked 11a and 9d. My favourite was 15d.
    Thanks to Jay and to the 2Ks.

  13. Another excellent Wednesday work-out from my favourite backpage setter.

    Top clues for me were 1a, 4d and 15d. I have to say that I can’t recall having seen “anticipating” (in 12a) being used as an initial letter indicator before, I was expecting to read on the blog that “initially” had been omitted from the clue by mistake, but no. As “on-target” is hyphenated, it’s surely a moot point as to whether the “t” can be regarded as an initial letter in any case, I reckon. Did anyone else have doubts about this?

    Many thanks to Jay and the 2Ks.

    1. I think that ‘anticipating’ just means ‘preceding’ since OTE is a standard abbreviation for on-target earnings.

      1. Thank you, Gazza. The fact that “OTE” was an abbreviation hadn’t occurred to me.

        No doubt the 2Ks will amend their hint above.

      2. Thanks Gazza. It never occurred to us that OTE could be an accepted abbreviation in BRB. We had reasoned that anticipating = preceding = leading letters and did not check any further

  14. Fortunately, the ‘wrong’ answer to 16d didn’t occur to me although I was held up for a while by the 1a/d combo.
    The thought of drinking 3d made me feel rather queasy but I see from the comments that people actually do drink it. It was OK for pouring over tinned fruit salad but that’s as far as I’d like to go.

    Top three were 1a plus 9&15d and the Quickie Pun gets the gold star today.

    Thanks to Jay and to the 2Ks – glad to hear that the twosome has been reunited.

    1. A cat I once owned used to love drinking, or should I say lapping up, 3d, but I rationed it thinking that it probably wasn’t the healthiest option! Interesting to see that our resident Kitty hasn’t developed a taste for it ;-)

      1. Well now I shall have to pour myself a saucer when I get home, just to taste it. Will report back …

        P.S. I very much doubt that you ever owned a cat, Silvanus. The other way round, surely? ;)

        1. You are so right. Our lab Toby adored us but our cat Rupert expected us to obey and adore him…we did.

      2. I think you’re both spot on there! I used “owned” in the very loosest sense!

  15. Didn’t use correction fluid but only because overwriting was an option (and it would have damaged my phone).

    3d is the main ingredient of the ice cream that my mum makes. I’ve never had the desire to have the “drink” any other way but can eat entire tubs of that stuff.

    Thanks to Jay and the 2Ks, particularly for the 18a explanation. Must remember that meaning.

  16. Thanks to Jay and to the 2 Kiwis for the review and hints. I enjoyed what I could do, but so much went wrong. I had “scan” for 6a, and “treads on” for 16d. Don’t understand 4d. Needed 10 hints to finish. Was 5*/3* for me.

    1. Hi Heno, 4d. Bill =ac, Locks = tresses
      A green room is a room in a theater or studio in which performers can relax when they are not performing, so ladies in green room could be the answer to the clue. Hope that helps

  17. Very often struggle with a Jay puzzle but on the ball today with this excellent challenge. Struggled with 1a and couldn’t justify the car relevance until the puzzle was completed and checked the blog, although I knew the answer was correct, my last one in. Liked the double clued 21a and 22d as well as many others. Enjoyed from start to finish good stuff.

    Clues of the day: As above and also 14a / 24a.

    Rating 2.5* / 4* for me.

    Thanks to the 2Ks and Jay.

  18. **/****. Very enjoyable whilst it lasted. My favourites were 4&8d. Thanks to Jay and the 2Ks. We are heading to double digit warmth this week. Roll on spring.

  19. Splendid stuff as usual on a Wednesday. */**** from me.

    I thought 1a was masterly and is my clear favourite with all others dead-heating for second place. The inclusion of the totally unnecessary word ESTATE was a masterpiece of misdirection and had me thinking of last wills and testaments and suchlike for ages until the penny finally dropped with a very loud clang. There’s now a rather large dent in pommette’s best tea-tray :lol:

    Many thanks to Jay and the Kiwis.

    1. Surely the word estate is needed to justify a meaning of 1a other than as a transport process synonym? Thus your reference to last wills and testaments is not so far off the mark!

      1. Would not work without use of word “estate”’. A Conveyance does of course transfer any land including a house or a building but one of the other words could not be used as there is no such thing as a house car. Can understand the confusion with an estate being usually connected with what one leaves in a Will.

  20. My problems today we’re all self-inflicted, maybe I’m not firing on all cylinders.
    I needed hints for two clues in the NW, and then I put the wrong first word in 9d, putting the US word, clean forgot that UK used another word. Fortunately I didn’t get the wrong word in 16d so I was able to sort it eventually.
    Most enjoyable, fave was the 21a/22d combo.
    Thanks to Jay and the 2Kiwis.

  21. I agree about not wanting to drink3d,but it makes great custard..If that had been mentioned, I might not have had a tussle with this clue !
    Thoroughly enjoyable puzzle today.

  22. Couldn’t concentrate and solve this while I was watching us narrowly lose the cricket to the Kiwis. Well done them. But after the game it went in quite smoothly. I, too, fell into the ‘Tread’ problem – but not for too long. Very enjoyable puzzle. 18a was my winner with honourable mentions to 1d and 15d. Thank you Jay.

  23. Straight forward today. I can’t imagine drinking 3d, but we used to have it on puddings. I think Condensed milk is the sandwich filler; 3d would be a bit thin!!

  24. Morning all.
    It is not yet daylight here but we don’t need to see what the weather is going to be like. We can hear the rain on the roof.
    Tuesday was Census Day in NZ. For some reason that we have not being able to sort out yet, we were not sent our required forms and special identifying number. So as we officially do not actually exist you can count yourselves lucky that there was someone to put the blog together. No doubt the ‘people upstairs’ to whom the person we spoke to on the phone referred our case, will eventually get it all sorted.
    We’re still chuckling over Jay’s Quickie pun.

  25. Great puzzle, right up my street today. Too many great clues to pick a favourite.

    As kids we used to mix cocoa powder to a paste with evap and then add hot water, delicious. And it was always what was poured over tinned fruit and pies, the budget not running to cream in those days. Now I keep it on my hurricane emergency supplies but not sure I would like it on cereal.

  26. Did you have a slice of bread and butter with your tinned fruit and evap..just to make it all go even further?

    1. Absolutely – in fact it became such a habit that I often still do, even though I’m lucky enough to have cream on the fruit these days!

  27. Another *** ish for difficulty, with 1d and 1ac causing much of the resultant headache. :-) Perhaps if I’d been thinking of the right sort of vice then I wouldn’t have taken so long. I suspect I still haven’t woken up yet…

  28. Is evap milk the same as condensed?
    I still have nightmares about the former which grandma bee used to pour on anything that moved but also recall that tins of condensed if unopened and boiled in a pan of hot water for hours (at least 2 hours) made a delightful caramel fudgy paste. Dont forget to top the pan up regularly as an exploding can of hot fudge renders a kitchen uninhabitable.

    1. John, condensed milk has a lot of added sugar whereas evaporated milk is unsweetened.

      1. I now drink tea and coffee black and unsweetened as a result of the horror that was Grandma Bee’s brews

    2. As I recall it is the evaporated you can boil and goes very thick. I had a recipe for a pudding where this method was required and it was delicious. Condensed is thick already. Used to be very tempting to eat in spoons full.

      1. Condensed milk is the one you boil that goes thick for making Banoffee Pie and Millionaires Shortbread
        Evaporated milk is the one you can drink as well as whisk with brown sugar to make that delicious if extremely bad for you Kentish treat – Gipsy Tart
        And thank you for reminding me of ‘Jelly Mousse’, I might have to make one at the weekend

  29. First thought 3d was undrinkable because it was a powder. I get confused with all these terms. They should call them all “Anything but Milk”.
    We use one of them at Le Jardin. Cook it to buggery in a bain marie until it turns into toffee and spread it on the base of our Banoffee pie.
    The Transferring bit in 1a made me think the answer started with Convert so quite logically it had to be Convertable. Can an estate car be a convertable? Can a document be called so? No. And it didn’t fit anyway.
    I always try to put an extra S in Sausage. The answer didn’t fit the enumeration. And the animal in 8d almost became a Portotle or a Poor Turtle if you prefer.
    All that to say that I had good fun solving.
    Thanks to Jay and to 2kiwis for the review.

  30. Another superb puzzle from Jay today and the Dada toughie was equally as good. Thanks to both of the setters and both ‘hint providers’. A most enjoyable day of puzzles.

  31. Haven’t had time to do the crossword, but I’ve enjoyed reading the review. Loved the quickie pun. There seems to have been a lot of talk about various types of milk. I no longer boil tins of condensed milk for my caramel icecream, as you can buy the caramel ready made in tins. As far as evap. goes the only way I liked it as a child was when my mother made lemon or lime jelly with it. It turned ordinary jelly into a sort of blancmange. Lovely if you had a sore throat. Thank you setter and 2ks. I’ll save the crossword for when I’m less busy.

  32. Very late commenting on this one as had an unusually busy day yesterday.

    Excellent puzzle in my opinion.

    Thanks to the setter and to the 2 Kiwis…..hope you are ‘found’ soon by ‘him upstairs’

  33. Very similar to Monday’s and Tuesday’s and very enjoyable, so same rating: 2.5* / 4*.

  34. I’m a newbie on the site doing a late night (Fri a.m.) solve of Wednesday’s puzzle. I needed help with 16d and that’s why I found this site. All good stuff and I will be back! Comment on 22d: I believe band in the clue refers directly to ring as in wedding band and not kiwis’ explanation of a group or ring of people.

    1. Welcome to the blog Gaffer.
      Now that you have found us we look forward to hearing from you with more comments.
      Yes, we agree that your take on the wordplay is better than what we had put in the hint for 22d.

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