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DT 28576 (Hints)

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 28576 (Hints)

The Saturday Crossword Club
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Morning all!  Busy day today with the Times Crossword Championships in London (Good luck to Crypticsue, Verlaine and any other bods from round here taking part)  Sadly I have to miss the event as I’m running a Grand Prix Quiz event on the Wirral at Hoylake and will have several Eggheads and Chasers taking part to try and uphold their quiz status.  There are a few of these around the country on the first Saturday of each month and if you ever fancy taking on the great and good of quizzing, let me know and I’ll point you in the right direction.

This is quite a tricky Saturday puzzle which I would guess is by our Mysteron.  I’ve tried to help with some of the trickier clues.  I’m hoping Gazza will be along with the pictures later as I can’t upload them for some reason.  I will be popping in and out during the day between quiz rounds and keeping an eye on things.  So you have to play really nicely today.

As is usual for the weekend prize crosswords, an assortment of clues, including some of the more difficult ones, have been selected and hints provided for them.

Most of the terms used in these hints are explained in the Glossary and examples are available by clicking on the entry under “See also”. Where the hint describes a construct as “usual” this means that more help can be found in The Usual Suspects, which gives a number of the elements commonly used in the wordplay. Another useful page is Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing, which features words with meanings that are not always immediately obvious.

A full review of this puzzle will be published after the closing date for submissions.

Some hints follow.

Across

1a        Declines credit for essential car accessory (8)
A word meaning declines as in the sense of rise and fall, plus a slang word for credit should give you this part of a car engine.

9a        Review smartphone program upgrade (8)
A word meaning to review as in your work performance is made up of something that works on your smartphone plus a word meaning to upgrade or lift.

11a      Celebration of moving conflict between two dynasties (5-7)
The general name for a dynasty and the particular name for a Chinese one have a word meaning conflict between them to give you something that happens after moving home.

16a      ‘House’ might split for this (4)
This I suspect is a cryptic definition.  Think of a split house.

17a      Survivor of Henry VIII stabbed by English blade (5)
The surname of a particular person associated with the King has E (for English) inside to give a type of knife.

21a      Drunk cuts meal, getting wine (8)
Drunk usually means an anagram indicator, and so it is here.  It will lead you to a type of wine.

23a      Complain about northern girl on stage — an angel? (12)
A name for a woman who may be seen as an angel for her actions.  A word meaning complain goes around N for northern and add the name of a lady on stage.

28a      Second display of grief is extensive (8)
The abbreviation for S, plus what you do when you are upset give a word meaning extensive

Down

2d        Friend early to catch a train initially (8)
A word for someone who is a friend is found by taking an expressing meaning early and inserting A and the first letter of train.

3d        Who’s disported at posh cities? (12)
A word for someone who may be said to be disported (go on look it up!) is an anagram of the remainder of the clue.  This is a sort of all in one clue with no anagram indicator as such.

8d        Raise crew in Orpington? (8)
inside what an Orpington is goes the name for a rowing crew and this gives you something that means raise.

16d      Like mule delivered after objections raised (8)

A word to describe a mule is found by taking a word for injections and reversing it and then adding something that means delivered (in the medical sense).

12d      Skill in shooting 1000 boats, with crew on another boat (12)
The name for the particular skill is found by solving the word sum.  1000 in Roman numerals + name for old boats + a word meaning to crew + another vessel.

24d      North American provided opposite of 3 (4)
The abbreviation for North American and a short word meaning provided (as in condition) gives a French word that is the opposite of 3 down.

25d      Counts slugs (4)
A double definition with the second relating to the shorts consumed at today’s gathering!

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The Quick Crossword pun: board+Acol+lee=Border Collie


104 comments on “DT 28576 (Hints)

      • But only the first 2 words of the clue were underlined in the hint. I thought “disported” was the anagram indicator, too.

    • 3d. Yes, I always have problems with these type of clues too. My goddaughter (24) will be asking me about this one and I’m going explain thus: It’s an all-in-one clue with some anagram fodder (the last 3 words) and a definition (the first 2 words) but no anagram indicator. Would I be about right?

        • Thank you, G. Yes, I can see now you’ve explained and I’ve weighed it up further. I guess the entire clue is the definition, but only part of the clue is wordplay. And the only part of the clue that isn’t part of the wordplay is “Who’s”. Because the rest of the clue is made up of the anagram indicator and anagram fodder. I think…

          • For anyone else who gets confused (like me) with these semi-all-in-one clues, this explains it very well:

            A semi-&lit (semi all-in-one) clue is a variant of the &lit (all-in-one) clue type.

            In an &lit clue, the entire clue is the definition as well as the wordplay.
            In a semi-&lit clue, the entire clue is the definition but only a part of the clue is the wordplay.

            For example, a clue by Roger Squires:

            Slow-moving mice may get snapped up by them (4) OWLS (SLOW)*
            The entire clue “Slow-moving mice may get snapped up by them” defines OWLS, but only “Slow-moving” (i.e. anagram of SLOW) is the wordplay. So this clue is a semi-&lit.

  1. I agree this was a little trickier than usual and I enjoyed it.

    The house is lurking in 16a.

    I won’t risk making further comment about the clues. Nobody’s putting me in the naughty corner today!

    See some of you later. The very best of luck to our friends taking part.

    Thanks to the setter and Tilsit.

  2. At first glance I thought I was going to have trouble with this one, but they steadily began to fall. I’d never heard of 21a, 24d or that particular Orpington, but the clueing was fair and so they were easily attainable.

    Thoroughly enjoyed it so thanks to the setter and to Tilsit for giving us his precious time today. Hope the day goes well.

    BTW should the word in the hint for 16d be ‘objections’ not ‘injections’?

  3. 3.5/4.5. I found this challenging and very enjoyable. I had a very slow start until I finally dropped onto the right wavelength after which it all fell into place quite steadily.

    11a was my favourite but also vying for positions on my podium were 8d, 19d & 25d.

    Many thanks to Mr Ron (with full marks for the great surfaces), and to Tilsit.

  4. Thought this was great. Having struggled with Sodoku (sic) I thought I was in an intellectual low phase, but loved the first three quadrants of this. Got stuck on the SW corner, which took a bit of cracking and another cup of coffee. Particular favourites were 17a and 23a. It’s a 2/4 from me.

  5. Couldn’t do 24d or 27a. Even with your helpful clue I still can’t get 24d! Made a mistake with the start of 12d but soon saw my error.
    Thanks to the setter for an enjoyable puzzle.

      • Brian – you are lucky that Cryptic Sue is otherwise occupied today, otherwise it would be the naughty corner for you.

        The deletion x’s above should be read as ‘the opposite of 3d.’

  6. Please could someone explain 27 across? I have an answer that doesn’t really make sense to me and I’m pretty certain of the down letters.

    • You’ve expanded your alias so this needed moderation. Both aliases will now work.
      See Rabbit Dave’s response above for explanation of 27a.

  7. I found this a lot harder than recent Saturday puzzles but slowly but surely they fell into place. I didn’t help myself by putting the wrong vegetable in 5D but my mind was transfixed probably as a result of 5 pints of Wadworths 6x last night. Thanks to the setter & to Tilsit for his hints.

    • Hmm – I remember many years ago someone came up with the loony idea of indicating the quality/strength of beers with a scale of X – XXXXX – Wadworths asked how 6X would be categorised.

      • I worked on modifications to Wadworth’s brewery during the period 1985-8
        when I had to make many visits -including their private bar, excellent beer too!
        Thanks to Tilsit for the hints -including the chicken- that was a new one on me…
        I had trouble with 24 down, had the first two letters repeated -which seemed OK until I saw the French hint. After that all fell in. Very satisfying.

  8. 8d, 11a and 19d on my podium. And the winner is…….. I cannot decide, all brilliant. This was certainly at the tricky end of the Mysteron’s spectrum, and for me was a solid 3* /4.5* overall. It was a real pleasure to solve, first to last.

    Thanks to Mr Ron for a great tussle, and to Tilsit.

  9. A Saturday ‘Toughie’ for me, makes me think it is a ‘Mister Ron.’ A significant amount of head scratching and some electronic assistance required – 2.5/3.

    Candidates for favourite – 23a, 6d, 16d, and 19d (which I think is a fairly recent repeat) – and the winner is 23a – a very good charade.

    Thanks to the setter and Tilsit.

  10. Found this on the tricky side (still don’t understand my answer to 13a (it has to be right but why no idea). I really loved 19d, just my sort of clue.
    Thx to all

    • I do not understand my answer to 13a either…..but I’m pretty sure it is the same as yours.
      Perhaps someone will put us out of our misery.

      • 13a Trunk carries tyres primarily – certainly makes contribution to road safety (4-4)
        Another word for a trunk or chest contains the first letter of ‘tyres’. After that we need a response meaning certainly.

        • I resisted replying to Ora, because of the Red Rules. Do these only apply to some bloggers? Or perhaps if more than one blogger is in distress, help is at hand.

            • Great link. Working on this now.
              I see if you google “ft crossword”, first hit is the index page, with all the Recent FT cryptics, and the polymaths.

            • Thanks Gazza. I had thought a hint is, or contains, a ‘partial answer’, and hence was precluded. For instance, the first letter of tyres can only be “t”, and that’s part of the answer. Just want to avoid the naughty corner…

              • If it’s in the clue, it’s fair game. The rule about partial answers is there mainly to stop the posting of idiotic comments like “I’ve got A?B?C?D – is this correct?”. If it’s right, it is giving away letters in other answers, if wrong it can create confusion.

    • 13a. I was going to reply to Brian with this, but I decided not to at the last minute because I didn’t think that, with a Prize crossword, any Tom, Dick or Harry was allowed to:

      A synonym for trunk containing the initial letter of tyres, followed by a synonym of “certainly”.

  11. This was hard going. Still don’t have a satisfactory answer for 17d. 19d was great. The ‘meaning’ element of 22a was more confusing than helpful!

    • Big Dave’s Red Rules preclude an explanation here, but think heteronymic homographs, that could even be homophonic depending on where you originate. Quite a good clue. I think you mean 23a, where the’meaning’ occurs quite often on the back page.
      3 ½ */ 3 ½ *

  12. Reading the previous comments has been really comforting because I thought that I was being especially dim this morning and, at my age, that’s worrying! However, I’ve soldiered on and I particularly liked 8d because there was a loud clang as the penny dropped…

  13. Needed a lot of electronic help with this one, so not very pleased with myself.

    Many thanks to Tilsit for the much needed hints and to the setter.

  14. This took a while but got there in the end. I belong to the camp that took disported in 3d as the anagram indicator. Thanks Tilsit/ Gaza for illustrating what an Orpington is. My favourite clue is 11a.

  15. I thought I was going to have problems with this one as I seemed to be confined to the RHS for quite a while before getting a few on the LHS. After that it all fell into place without too much trouble and most enjoyable it was to boot.

    Thanks to Tilsit and setter **/****

  16. Very enjoyable, there were no real problems – I looked up ‘Orpington’ in the BRB and I learnt something new and the answer then made sense.

    Off to the Olympic Stadium later for West Ham v Liverpool – I must be a masochist – the Natives (including me!) are becoming restless, there could be tears before bedtime!

  17. There is news from London and one of our gang has done particularly well!

    Bravo Crypticsue!

    Here at my quiz, the geniuses are wrestling with such questions as

    Which US city is sometimes referred to as Gotham?
    John de Witt was head of the Government of the province of Holland from 1625-1672. Used for centuries, what title did he hold when serving in that capacity?
    Which contemporary actress said: ‘The man for me is the cherry on the pie. But I’m the pie and my pie is good all by itself. Even if I don’t have a cherry’
    What is the name of Bob the Builder’s female business partner?
    Already understood to be able to count to four, which social insects have been shown to have an undertsanding of the concept of zero?
    In 1979, which player became Real Madrid’s first English signing?

  18. Enjoyed that and I don’t think the theory that the Saturday puzzles are getting easier as I found that quite tricky. 1a and 2d last in as I had the wrong start to 1a. 8d favourite by a nose from 12d.
    Thanks to tilsit gazza and the setter.

  19. An enjoyable challenge that was definitely on the tricky side. I’d thought that the setter intended the “essential” in 1a to be part of the definition, but I’m happy to see it here orphaned rather than underlined because my car doesn’t have one – it insists on taking care of things itself. I had grumbles about both the definition and the wordplay in 19d which I’ll have to save for a comment on the full review. I did like 13a, 8d, and 17d. Thanks to setter and tilsit.

  20. I liked this but had problems because I had the wrong vegetable in mind for 5d. Silly me. Loved the little grey cells work out though. Thanks to all

  21. Well, wotta treat! It took me ages to get going, then I clicked on the setter’s wavelength and was away. I even know the wine, though I’m not aware of having tried it.
    I needed gizmo for help with 27a, don’t know why, it seems so obvious.
    I can’t choose a fave amongst this treasure trove, let’s just say “all”.
    Thanks to Saturday setter, loved it, and to Tilsit et al who contributed to this.

  22. It has been a few weeks since I have been well enough to tackle the crossword. I had a bit of an attempt yesterday but whole heartedly went for it today and have completed it and am feeling very content. On the whole I think it was not too difficult once I got into the setters mindset. My rating are 2 for difficulty and a 4 for enjoyment. I nominate 11A as the best clue. My thanks to Tilsit for his efforts.

  23. Hmmm, must be feeling spry today. I rated this at 2.25/3.5. Took a Starbucks biggest coffee though and it was cold at the end. Best clue was 11a. Clocks go back on the Eastern Seaboard this evening so that’s two extra hours in bed this year. Now that’s a bonus.
    Thanks to setter and Tilsit.

  24. All in except 19d which I just can’t fathom. Maybe for same reson as Mr Kitty (above)?
    Any help much appreciated.
    Many thanks to the Setter and Tisit.

    • The “definition” in 19d is one taking charge. The wordplay is a charade of “vote for” and a particular Reagan.

  25. Thanks to the setter and to Tilsit for the hints. A very enjoyable puzzle, with some tricky clues. 8d made me laugh because of my alias, but my favourite was 19d. I was beaten by 7d, I could only think of an opera, but Googled 1958 musicals after reading the comments, and then realised how the clue works. Was 3 ✳ /3 ✳ for me.

    • Oh dear, I am going to be in trouble. I never thought I’d be adding a hint by giving the year. Oh, well, I guess I’ll live through it.

  26. What a very good crossword – certainly a bit tricky in places, well, it was for me anyway and I took ages to get going.
    7d caused trouble and although I got the answer to 16a, if only because it couldn’t have been much else, I missed the lurker.
    Spoilt for choice for particularly good clues today so, at random, 11 and 17a and 5 and 25d (both those two made me laugh).
    I also liked 19d and imagine that the objections above are something to do with physics which no-one would expect me to understand.
    Thanks to whoever set this one and to Tilsit for the hints and Gazza for the pics.
    Back to the general chaos – Elder Lamb’s birthday tomorrow so we have a houseful.
    I’m amazed that no-one has mentioned the lovely Quickie pun! :smile:

  27. Whoopee! We nearly finished this one today. Only 17down has defeated us. Even more delighted as it has been described as’ ‘tricky’. There is hope for me yet😀

  28. So I completed this I thought and duly despatched my entry and then realized I had put the wrong wine in! D’oh!
    Ah well, next week then….
    Quite tricky for a Prize crossword but a good challenge. 19d was my favourite. 2,5/3.5* overall.
    Thanks to Mysteron and to Tilsit for the hints.

  29. I for one found this trickier than most Saturday offerings. Didn’t get the satisfaction of completing even with Tilsit’s hints. Feeling a bit dim, ergo like a 1a 🙂

  30. I found much of this straightforward enough, but came badly unstuck at the close on 23ac and 25d. So from a ** to a *** overall.

  31. A smashing puzzle, but l don’t really see why anyone would have found it particularly difficult. I score it 1/4.5, and put little marginal ticks against lots of clues. 8d, 23a, 19d and 11a seemed to me the ones deserving special mention. Many thanks to the setter, and to Tilsit for the hints.

    • Those new to solving – that may be one reason for others having the odd spot of bother. Not everyone who contributes here has been solving these for years – give ’em a chance!

      It didn’t give me too much trouble, either, but I can see why some of the craftier clues were queried.

  32. Very enjoyable, and I did not find it as tough as some, which is unusual.
    I had a big ‘doh’ moment over 8d, as I constantly forget the ‘crew’, though Orpington did not defeat me as I had fallen into his trap before.
    I spelt the name of the wine wrong. I bunged it in without checking the anagram letters, though oddly, it did not affect the rest of the crossword.
    Thanks Tilsit and Mr.Ron.

    • The other wine would be more familiar to most for reasons upon which I will not elaborate as do not wish to fall foul of the rules

  33. The fun of coming late to the party is reading all of your comments. Some differences of opinion but most shared the same favourites. Looked at it last night and most of it a completely mystery. My first in was 8d which comes from a childhood in the country. My last two, oddly were in NW. I thought I had answer for 4d but happily did not write in as last letter wrong. On this occasion too much legal knowledge was a disadvantage as splitting into two words a different preposition would be used. Eventually penny dropped on 13a after which 4 d made sense (sort of). Favourites 1 11 and 23a and 8 16 17 19 and 22d. Many thanks to Misteron if it be you and admiration for Tilsit who managed the hints whilst officiating at an impossible (for me) quiz. On the strength of the sample questions I shall not be pitting my wits against the Eggheads or Chasers!

    • I so agree about cominglate to the party. I rarely get to finish a crossword the same day it’s published. This one I didn’t even get to start until this morning. Rather pleased with myself that I finished it after reading the comments above. Favourite would have to be 17d.

  34. Like Hoofit, I put in the wrong wine without checking the anagram letters, though I am partial to some of that as well! I found this quite difficult to get into, and still struggled with some of Tilsit’s clues, but after two or three trips to the thesaurus I did manage to get going and thanks to Tilsit and the Thesaurus, it is now complete, although my lunchtime solving lasted a couple of hours. Favourites were 11 & 26a, and 12 & 19d. Like most others though, I found it easier than Tilsit’s quiz questions.

  35. Mr Kitty, as it was your favourite clue, for me & Willgetthereoneday, can you help us with 17d? I have all the odd letters & having read thru Chambers list, still can’t get it. Otherwise thought I did well on this as also wondering if age taking it’s toll in recent puzzles !!!

  36. I thought this one was significantly better than the usual Saturday Prize. A reasonable challenge and most enjoyable. 3* / 4*.

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