DT 28188

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 28188

Hints and tips by ShropshireLad

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BD Rating – Difficulty **Enjoyment **

Good morning from an unhappy Shropshire bunny. If anything could go wrong this morning – it did. I won’t bore you with the details, suffice to say I’m probably not in the right frame of mind to adjust BD’s star rating today as I may be doing the setter an injustice [ I have adjusted it. BD].

I didn’t particularly enjoy the puzzle today (sorry Mr Ron) as there were too many anagrams for my taste and some dubious synonyms. I will leave it up to yourselves to decide.

As usual, the definitions are underlined and if the hints and tips don’t help you to get the answer – all will be revealed by clicking on the grey ‘click here!’ button. Happy solving.

Please leave a comment telling us what you thought.


1a    Looked mischievous, being found in pit (8)
SEARCHED: Take a synonym for ‘mischievous’ and put it in (being found in) a term for ‘pit’. I don’t think I’d have used either of the synonyms in this clue.

5a    Small fireplace sufficient for one (6)
SINGLE: Take the abbreviation for ‘small’ and follow it with ‘fireplace’ – normally found in old cottages.

9a    Willing in recording to embrace policy (8)
INCLINED: Take the ‘In’ from the clue and add the abbreviation for a medium used to play back music from which replaced vinyl (recording) and insert (embrace) a term for ‘policy’ as in the ‘party ***’.

10a    Leapt sideways at first before car crash (6)
SPRANG: The first letter of ‘sideways’ (at first) followed by a colloquial term for a ‘car crash’.

12a    Worried MP? Ease his stress (9)
EMPHASISE: An anagram (worried) of MP EASE HIS.

13a    Canoe at sea in vast expanse (5)
OCEAN: Guess what, an anagram (at sea) of CANOE.

14a    Views in both directions (4)
SEES: A palindrome (both directions) of a synonym of ‘views’.

16a    One left consumed by composer’s lack of success (7)
FAILURE: Take the Roman numeral for ‘one’ and the abbreviation for ‘left’ and put them in the name of a French composer (consumed).

19a    Picturesquely described exotic cigar must be taken outside public house initially (7)
GRAPHIC: An anagram (exotic) of CIGAR is placed around (taken outside) the abbreviation for ‘Public House’.

21a    Son has time to be a scholar (4)
SAGE: Start with the abbreviation for ‘son’ followed by a synonym for ‘time’.

24a    I am touring university after work, getting narcotic (5)
OPIUM: Lego clue. Take the shortened version of ‘I am’ and contain (touring) the usual abbreviation for ‘university’. That then follows (after) the abbreviation for ‘work’.

25a    Prosecute about two females encountering phone call ordeal (9)
SUFFERING: A synonym for ‘prosecute’ contains (about) the abbreviation for ‘female’ – twice (females) and is followed by (encountering) a term for a ‘phone call’.

27a    Carry a torch for daughter getting stuck in a bog (6)
ADMIRE: Take the abbreviation for ‘daughter’ and place it in (getting stuck in) the ‘A’ from the clue and a synonym for ‘bog’.

28a    Wrong lass almost clutched (8)
MISTAKEN: Start with a synonym for ‘lass’ with its last letter removed (almost) and then add another term for ‘clutched’.

29a    Suggestion by the French creates quarrel (6)
TANGLE: You will need a term to describe ‘suggestion’ as in a ‘hint or a bite’ followed by ‘the’ in French.

30a    Second time in bank, behind closed doors (8)
SECRETLY: Another Lego clue. Start with an abbreviation for ‘second’ followed by the abbreviation for ‘time’ inside a synonym for ‘bank’. Nothing to do with rivers or banking institutions.


1d    Appropriate set of furniture for duke to sit on? On the contrary (6)
SUITED: Take a synonym for a ‘set of furniture’ (normally found in the living room) and the abbreviation for ‘Duke’. As it’s a ‘down’ clue the wording indicates that the abbreviation for ‘Duke’ should be put at the front (sit on) of the ‘set of furniture’. The rest of the clue indicates that it should be placed at the end (on the contrary).

2d    Welcome performance around church piano (6)
ACCEPT: Take a synonym for ‘performance’ and contain (around) the abbreviations for ‘church’ and ‘piano’.

3d    Hit in the face by a mate (5)
CHINA: A colloquial term for ‘hit in the face’ quite similar to ‘head butt’ and the ‘A’ from the clue.

4d    Foes? See mine fighting (7)
ENEMIES: An anagram (fighting) of SEE MINE.

6d    Before demonstrating, this person is advancing (9)
IMPROVING: Start with (before) the contraction of ‘this person is’ and add a synonym for ‘demonstrating’ – verifying something is correct.

7d    Under obligation, dropping rate fully? Only partially (8)
GRATEFUL: Our one and only ‘lurker’.

8d    Plot in Greene novel (8)
ENGINEER: An anagram (novel) of IN GREENE.

11d    Complaint as British price rises (4)
BEEF: Take a single letter abbreviation for ‘British’ and follow it with a synonym for ‘price’ (reversed) rises – indicates a reversal in a ‘down’ clue.

15d    Passing me her pale shifts (9)
EPHEMERAL: An anagram (shifts) of ME HER PALE.

17d    I go without new trumpet? That’s stupid (8)
IGNORANT: Take the ‘I GO’ from the clue and contain (without) the abbreviation for ‘new’. Follow this with a verb for ‘trumpet’. I really dislike the term ‘without’ used as a containment indicator.

18d    Most of story is prior to fellow’s charm (8)
TALISMAN: Take a synonym for ‘story’ with the last letter removed (most of) then add the ‘is’ from the clue. That is placed before (prior to) a synonym for a male (fellow).

20d    Green remains behind Conservative (4)
CASH: A 3 letter term for ‘remains’ follows (behind) the single letter abbreviation for ‘Conservative’. This definition of ‘green’ is there in the BRB in an agricultural sense. [I took it as money, especially dollar bills (definition 10 in the BRB) BD]

21d    American turns up very loudly with diamonds — that’s cut the mustard (7)
SUFFICE: A 2 letter abbreviation for ‘American’ and reverse it (turns up), add the abbreviation for ‘very loud’ and end with term for ‘diamonds’.

22d    Notice sign of approval from teacher before test’s oddly removed (6)
TICKET: ‘A sign of approval from the teacher’ is followed by (before) the even letters remaining from ‘test’ (oddly removed).

23d    Means business (6)
AGENCY: Double definition.

26d    Get admission to hospital department supported by the Queen (5)
ENTER: You need the overused abbreviation for a particular ‘hospital department’ followed by (supported – in a down clue) the abbreviation for our current ‘Queen’.

I apologise if I’ve not been too enthusiastic about this puzzle – but I had hoped that it would cheer me up. Unfortunately – it hasn’t. I hope you had a better outcome.

The Quick Crossword pun: die+vin+bored=diving board [very topical!]


  1. Una
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

    This wasn’t my favourite puzzle either , SL , though for slightly different reasons . There were too many ancient chestnuts and iffy double definitions.I must be very 17d, but how does 23d mean means ?.
    Several of the clues make excellent introductory examples for beginers, such as 24a, 25a, 27a,11d, 18d.
    I hope everything got sorted out in the end , SL.

    • Rabbit Dave
      Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:13 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Una, the BRB is rather verbose about “means” but the relevant definition it gives is “that by whose instrumentality anything is caused or brought to pass”. For the answer the BRB gives “instrumentality”.

      • crypticsue
        Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:22 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Not relevant to the crossword in any way, but I thought of you on our journey from Kent to Banbury yesterday, when we passed a banner advertising “Fairytail” weddings!

        • Rabbit Dave
          Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:50 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Thank you for the thought. My reputation clearly goes before me. :wink:

          • crypticsue
            Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:58 pm | Permalink | Reply

            I always notice such things, and groan loudly but in this case I suddenly thought you’d ‘like’ this one too.

            • Miffypops
              Posted August 9, 2016 at 1:47 pm | Permalink | Reply

              We are twenty minutes away from Banbury Sue. Are you planning a surprise attack?

              • crypticsue
                Posted August 9, 2016 at 2:15 pm | Permalink | Reply

                Mr CS and I went to see my lovely sister and brother in law for the day, waited for one of my beautiful nieces to come from Oxford to have tea with us and then we headed back home. Never even gave you a thought, sorry.

                • Miffypops
                  Posted August 9, 2016 at 2:24 pm | Permalink | Reply

                  Great reply Sue. Much deserved.

      • Una
        Posted August 9, 2016 at 2:44 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Thanks RD , I get it now.

  2. Toadson
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Plain sailing really, but pondered over 1a for some time before finding ‘seed’ alongside ‘pit’ in an on line thesaurus. Hope your day improves ShropshireLad!

  3. pete
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Have to agree with SL too many anagrams and some dubious synonyms. I found the bottom half of the puzzle a lot easier than the top half. Got into a right muddle in the NE corner, I thought 6d was shadowing. Many thanks to Mr Ron and especially to SL for his help.

  4. Rabbit Dave
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:08 pm | Permalink | Reply

    1*/2.5*. I found this straightforward, except for 1a which was my last one for the reasons cited by SL, and moderately enjoyable with no particular favourite. Thanks to Mr Ron.

    Thanks too to SL. Tomorrow is another day – here’s hoping it sees a big change for the better for you.

    • Jose
      Posted August 10, 2016 at 11:51 am | Permalink | Reply

      RD and SL. 1a: I appreciate that “mischievous” and “pit” are ever so slightly obscure synonyms (but certainly OK, nevertheless) and you may not select them first in your own everyday writing – but it’s a cryptic clue, which makes their use perfectly acceptable and valid. I’m with the setter on this one…

  5. Sheffieldsy
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:21 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Another solo effort today. I’ll be back home later today in time for the Toughie with Mrs. Sheffieldsy (not a euphemism).

    I thought this was 2*/2.5*. The two stars for difficulty arose partly because I put in ‘febrile’ for 16a. I did check and there is a Mexican composer with the right surname, so in it went. How odd is that? Of course, it took me a while to unravel that mistake.

    7d was the most enjoyable clue – a lovely, misleading surface for a lurker clue. I can’t see any objection to either synonym in 1a; they’re both valid meanings of the respective words in the clue, so I’m not sure I understand SL’s beef here.

    Thanks to SL for the review and Mr Ron for the puzzle.

    • Shropshirelad
      Posted August 9, 2016 at 1:13 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Hi Sheffieldsy, I’m pretty sure that when Sir Arthur Conan Doyle sat down to write a story about his famous sleuth he never thought of penning ‘Professor Moriarty, Holmes’ mischievous enemy’. :)

      My rule of thumb regarding synonyms is – if both words cross reference each other in a thesaurus, then it works. ‘Pit’ doesn’t appear in the required synonym for the answer. Does that make sense?

      With regard to ‘beef’. I always thought it was something to eat :whistle:

      • Sheffieldsy
        Posted August 9, 2016 at 1:35 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Well, this could get fairly esoteric here plus I’m away from home right now (hence two solo efforts) so am using a dictionary app on my iPad as combined dictionary and thesaurus. The app gives the Moriarty word as a synonym for mischievous but not the reverse although it does give the Moriarty word as a meaning of the word in the answer! For the other pair the app has neither word as a synonym for the other, but the pit meaning for fruit is given. So the only thing that’s clear is that it’s not clear!

        Bottom line, I don’t have a rule of thumb as you do – I find the English language resists such straitjackets quite admirably. My smell test is simply to ask if I find it reasonable.

        I’m beginning to think I perhaps shouldn’t have responded to your comment in the first place, talk about opening a can of worms!!!!! Perhaps we should agree to disagree (and only a mild contretemps at that)? And thank you for taking the time to respond, I see where you’re coming from now.

      • Sheffieldsy
        Posted August 9, 2016 at 1:40 pm | Permalink | Reply

        …as for Holmes’s mischievous enemy, I think the word in question has a meaning that is mischievous and another which means pre-eminent and it was this latter meaning that is commonly used for the main enemy.

        Now I’d better stop because my pedantry is taking over!

  6. Dottie
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:28 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Found this puzzle really boring too. Far too many anagrams as Shropshire Lad says. No fun really.

    • crypticsue
      Posted August 9, 2016 at 1:32 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I am not sure if you are the Dottie that commented back in February using a new email address or a completely new Dottie. If the former, then I’ve rescued you from moderation, if the latter, welcome to the blog

  7. Alec
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:42 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Someone should write a book entitled: “The Solvers’ Guide to Setters’ Stretched Synonyms”. I’m sure it would sell. At least I was able to do this while the rain persisted, 7d was my last one in – I simply failed to see the word hidden in the clue. Thanks to the setter and hopefully, ShropshireLad. your day can only get better.

  8. Young Salopian
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:45 pm | Permalink | Reply

    2*/2.5* and a comfortable if rather uninspiring Tuesday solve. I think that perhaps we are used to many elegant and outstandingly brilliant crosswords, that when one comes along that is not close to the high standard often set, it feels a little lacklustre and somewhat forced. That said, this was not without its good points, and I mean no disrespect to the Mysteron responsible.

    Thanks to our setter and my frustrated neighbour.

  9. Beaver
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:50 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Rather oddly clued today , agree with Una regarding the ‘iffy’ definitions .I too could only associate 20a with money like SL, ie green dollar bills .
    A **/** for me also . The French composer was new to me.
    Like SL,not a good day so for, the drains are blocked and the circuit breaker switch tripped off some reason whilst we were away for a week- freezer full of ‘mush’.

  10. Jane
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 12:57 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Actually, I quite enjoyed this one! No particular favourite but nothing to complain about either.
    1a was my last one in – I’d forgotten about that type of pit and had also spent a while thinking that the first two words were the definition.
    Like BD – I assumed ‘green’ referred to US greenbacks.

    Thanks to Mr. Ron and also to SL for being there for us despite adversity. As you commented – the Quickie pun was very appropriate. Well done team GB.

    • Shropshirelad
      Posted August 9, 2016 at 1:19 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I didn’t check down far enough in the BRB – there is a definition further up regarding currency values expressing EU farm prices. I fully agree with BD and your good self that the definition indeed refers to dollars – should have remembered that as I’ve been to America often enough.

      Now that I’ve managed to get everything pretty much sorted out – I will say that 2 clues stood out for me. The wonderfully hidden ‘lurker’ in 7d and the nice surface of 10a.

  11. jean-luc cheval
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 1:24 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Sorry to find SL in a bad mood but glad to see him present on duty nonetheless.
    Agree that some synonyms were a bit stretched but managed to sort it out on the bus on the way to the beach.
    Having late lunch with Tina from Brighton who featured in the Telegraph foodies competition last year.
    Favourite is 30a today.
    Thanks to the Tuesday setter and to SL for the review.

  12. silvanus
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 1:42 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I’m with Jane on this one (not for the first time!), and found it more entertaining than SL’s opening comments suggested I might. 1a was also my LOI. I counted six anagrams in the thirty-two clues which isn’t excessive in my book and matched Rufus’s total yesterday incidentally. I think that there are generally more stretched synonyms in an average RayT puzzle than were evident here.

    It was fairly plain-sailing until the last handful of clues in the NW corner. These took as long as the rest of the puzzle combined. As they held up my progress and were cleverly clued, I’ll nominate 9a and 1d as my two picks of the day.

    Thanks to today’s setter and to SL, sorry to hear today hasn’t gone well for you.

    • ShropshireLad
      Posted August 9, 2016 at 1:54 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Hi Silvanus – Those are exactly the reasons why I didn’t adjust BD’s rating and as you’re probably well aware, I try to steer clear of ‘having a go’ at any setter. When writing the review, it did seem to me that I was typing ‘an anagram’ quite regularly and I went with that – I never bother counting them. :)

      • silvanus
        Posted August 9, 2016 at 2:04 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Hi SL,

        I think that because the anagrams were somewhat bunched (three in five Across clues and three in six Down clues), it probably gave the impression that there were more there than in reality.

        • Miffypops
          Posted August 9, 2016 at 2:26 pm | Permalink | Reply


          • silvanus
            Posted August 9, 2016 at 2:53 pm | Permalink | Reply

            I know you like your percentages! Yesterday was 28.395% as it happens…

  13. Expat Chris
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 1:43 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Not too much of a challenge, I agree, but I enjoyed it. No quibbles from me on the cluing, either. That synonym for pit has come up before, I’m quite sure. Thanks to the setter and to SL.

  14. Miffypops
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 2:10 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I did this early this morning and have just read SL’s blog. I could not remember many of the clues or answers so it didn’t stand out for me. It was nice to get a mention at 12 across (especially after 3d and 16d yesterday). Missed the lurker until SL mentioned it. How would a mild mannered Miffypops know that to chin someone means to hit somebody? As for the anagram count. Six too many for me. Thank you Mister Ron for the forgotten entertainment and thanks to Grumpy for the review. Difficulty/Enjoyment rating? I’m all for scrapping it. Have a nice day everyone. I have already made other arrangements.

  15. cat
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 2:27 pm | Permalink | Reply

    No complaint about the anagrams but I agree about the dubious synonyms, not exactly wrong but very stretched. I think ‘pit’ has come up before and I vaguely remember 20d from way back because I had never heard of it in that connection.
    Thanks to setter and SL. Hope your day improves!

  16. Posted August 9, 2016 at 2:37 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Oh no, I’m not happy to see so many grumpy bunnies on the blog today. Hugs and puppies to all who want them.

    I solved this while waiting at the dentist’s. It was perfectly suited to the occasion and I had no trouble other than having to frown at 1a for a little while before it yielded. Unlike SL, I enjoyed it well enough. 16a brought to mind yesterday’s unfinished symphony, and it amuses me that the answer is a word so often misspelled. I don’t have a favourite but 25a is fitting.

    Thanks to the setter, and thanks – and hopes that you cheer up soon – to ShropshireLad.

  17. sabrinastar
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 3:00 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Coming from Shropshire……………….. I found this rather enjoyable!
    I hope Rufus did too, as he sits in his study, overlooking the Severn and the iron bridge, as
    he compiles our Monday puzzle………………..
    Know the weather isn’t too good today (low cloud and showers) – but hope SL recovers soon.

  18. Kath
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 3:05 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Well, I enjoyed this.
    I agree it wasn’t the trickiest of them but surely that’s what Toughies are about. If we never had any reasonably straightforward crosswords we’d never have any new solvers who would then become addicts like the rest of us.
    1 and 28a took me a ridiculously long time – no excuses.
    I’m never one to complain about there being too many anagrams – I like them and anyway it didn’t strike me today that there were more than is average.
    I did have to look up ‘green’ in the BRB so that’s two new meanings for me – today’s answer to 20d and one other.
    I agree with Silvanus that there are probably more unusual synonyms in a Ray T crossword than there were in today’s.
    I liked 10a and 1d.
    With thanks to Mr Ron and to SL.
    Here’s a little :rose: to all those feeling grumpy or 25a in any other way.

  19. Merusa
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 3:52 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Had no real complaints with this today, except for 1a. In desperation I looked it up on my gizmo and it did show the right answer, but I failed the synonym test. Having said that, I don’t know why as “arch=mischievous” and “pit-seed” I can see now, still, a bit stretched.
    Fave was 7d, took me long enough to see it.
    Thanks to setter and to ShropshireLad for the hints, for 1a in particular.

    I hope the rest of the day is more cheerful for you ShropshireLad, maybe the sun will come out later.

  20. Collywobbles
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 4:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

    At the risk of repeating what may have already been said I found this puzzle totally unenjoyable with too many anagrams. I also found some of the clues hard to understand

    • Collywobbles
      Posted August 9, 2016 at 4:55 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Oh, I’m giving up. I hav’nt finished and I have no motivation to do so.. Are we not used to better on a Tuesday or could the Masters’ remit not be extended an additional day. Anything.

  21. Brian
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 4:15 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I agree with most of the comments, a thoroughly unpleasant crossword.
    Dont see why engineer means plot, why tang should mean suggestion, why green is cash, demonstrating is improving, I could go on but it’s just too tedious.
    Thx for the hints.

    • LetterboxRoy
      Posted August 9, 2016 at 5:30 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I know what you mean, but a bit harsh in my view Mr B. They can’t all be outstanding brilliancies though, can they?

      Regarding your queries I figured one plots to engineer a situation, a tang as in hint of flavour, the USD is literally green and demonstrating doesn’t mean improving – it means proving, preceded by the short version of ‘I am’ (this person), meaning a medical advance, for instance.

      Besides, it’s only a crossword :smile:

    • Jose
      Posted August 11, 2016 at 12:09 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Well said LetterboxRoy! I was going to belatedly put our friend Brian right, but you beat me to it. Don’t worry, I’ll get him next time…

      But, “only” a crossword! A la Bill Shankly: crosswords aren’t a matter of life and death – they’re much more important than that!

  22. Vancouverbc
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 4:23 pm | Permalink | Reply

    2/2. Not my favourite puzzle by any means and agree with SL about 1a – sorry SheffieldSY 😊 and your reputation for pedantry precedes you (by the way to all other bloggers, we are long time friends so don’t interpret this as a dig😊). Because of 1a and not helped by my stupidity re 1d this took forever to resolve the NW corner. Thanks to the setter and SL for the review and trust that whatever interrupted your day resolved well.

    • Sheffieldsy
      Posted August 9, 2016 at 4:51 pm | Permalink | Reply

      But at least I’m admitting it these days! Maybe I should found Pedants Anonymous.

      • Vancouverbc
        Posted August 9, 2016 at 5:22 pm | Permalink | Reply

        I’ll join 😊

        • Sheffieldsy
          Posted August 9, 2016 at 6:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

          :lol: Thanks for the support!

      • Rabbit Dave
        Posted August 9, 2016 at 5:44 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Why do pedants need to be anonymous? I say stand up and be proud to be a pedant!

      • LabradorsruleOK
        Posted August 9, 2016 at 6:40 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Being pedantic can a self-confessed pedant found Pedants Anonymous?

        • LetterboxRoy
          Posted August 9, 2016 at 9:19 pm | Permalink | Reply

          You could call yourselves PANDA, but you’d probably spend a lot of time debating whether you were all actually anonymous to one-another?

          • ShropshireLad
            Posted August 9, 2016 at 11:39 pm | Permalink | Reply

            Sorry LetterboxRoy – using PANDA as an acronym would surely open up the can of worms that is ‘ Eats Shoots and Leaves’ :whistle:

            • LetterboxRoy
              Posted August 10, 2016 at 12:09 am | Permalink | Reply

              Loved that book – ‘Fruit flies like bananas’ etc. It is P and A though… and one does ‘bear with’ pedants.

              BTW Silvanus @#12, speaking of pedantry, there wasn’t one yesterday (or was that deliberate?).

              I once got an email from a client in Liverpool saying “Please call in office tomorrow after 12 noon”. I went to Liverpool for 2pm only to find he had missed the comma after ‘call’. Bite one’s lip…

            • LabradorsruleOK
              Posted August 10, 2016 at 8:11 am | Permalink | Reply

              There has to be some pedantry in all crossword solvers but those that profess (confess) to it could be the elite. As they include bloggers from Yorkshire, Canada etc. they are international. Perhaps “Elite Pedants International Club” or EPIC would be appropriate.
              Chairman &; committe could then welcome new members as warranted by contributions.
              It goes without saying who would be Honorary President.

              • HoofItYouDonkey
                Posted August 10, 2016 at 8:20 am | Permalink | Reply

                My referee’s meeting last night, there are 96 law changes for this coming season, though most are just law clarification.
                Apart from being able to pass backwards from KO, there is one other significant change.
                If a defender fouls an attacker in the defender’s penalty area by virtue of a reckless or careless challenge and in so doing denies the attacker an obvious goal scoring opportunity, the old law required a red card and a penalty, the new law is a yellow card and a penalty. The logic being that the goalscoring opportunity still stands as the attacking side have a penalty.

                • LabradorsruleOK
                  Posted August 10, 2016 at 1:14 pm | Permalink | Reply

                  Thanks HIYD only 96 changes – that’s worse than ROG -& ours are only every 4 years.
                  I guess the yellow / red has some sense: to be sent off for what can be a subjective decision (the “obvious” bit) was somewhat draconian sometimes. On the pedantic front: can a professional foul, (which is premeditated to prevent the goal scoring opportunity) be “reckless or careless”?
                  SFDSY: glad you approve of acronym

              • Sheffieldsy
                Posted August 10, 2016 at 8:28 am | Permalink | Reply

                Aw, shucks.

                But like EPIC tremendously. :lol:

    • Jose
      Posted August 10, 2016 at 10:59 am | Permalink | Reply

      It’s good to be a pedantic commenter, but there are one or two on here who quite regularly post “pedantic” views which contain flawed, partially wrong or completely wrong assertions. The golden rule should be: research thoroughly, think long and carefully and then expound with confidence and authority.

  23. LabradorsruleOK
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 5:08 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Like others 1a the last one in, for me as a “bung in”. Haven’t come across the synonym for pit but there are a lot of others out there too I’m sure. At least you didn’t really need to know it.
    Not much to rave or rant about for me, & except for 1a an OK solve
    Thanks to setter & especially to SL. Always bad when Murphy’s (things went wrong) & Sod’s Law (on your blog day) come together. .At least they didn’t seem to have affected the hints.

  24. LetterboxRoy
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 5:37 pm | Permalink | Reply

    It has all been said already, and I agree with most of it.
    Not great **/**

    Thanks to all, regardless.

  25. Gwizz
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 6:23 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I agree with LetterboxRoy.
    Thanks to the setter and to SL.
    It is just a crossword after all…….

  26. HoofItYouDonkey
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 6:30 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Like others, I was pretty underwhelmed by this. Not sure why, too many anagrams and clunky clues.
    I have a referee’s meeting now, and when I get back later, I hope I can feel sufficiently inspired to finish it.
    Thanks to SL, I have not looked at the hints yet, but I feel that your expertise is likely to come to my aid!!!

  27. Paso Doble
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 6:34 pm | Permalink | Reply

    We’re up and running again and found this to be more entertaining than most of you.
    Thanks to Mr Ron and S Lad!

    • ShropshireLad
      Posted August 9, 2016 at 11:41 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Nice to see you two about – I’ve missed your contributions.

  28. mre
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 6:56 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Good evening everybody.

    A delayed start to the week on account of yesterday’s newspaper being AWOL and mostly straightforwrd if a bit clunky in places. 7d was better than usually hidden and 23d was a decent clue. Last in 1a was nicely misleading.


  29. JB
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 7:01 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Didn’t enjoy this very much and failed to solve the northwest corner. The toughie was a much better puzzle.

    I did so want 1a to be ” psammead” but E Nesbit was out of favour today!

  30. BusyLizzie
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 7:05 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Enjoyable puzzle, except I agree with SL that too many of the synonyms were a stretch, arch = mischievous and agency = means? Pit I was ok with as the seed part of some fruit. I love anagrams so never bothered how many there are, even if I cannot solve them. 17d was strange, and agree here with SL about use of without.

    • LetterboxRoy
      Posted August 9, 2016 at 7:24 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Surely an agency facilitates or provides the means by which to find work, sell a house etc. No?
      ‘Without’ is somewhat clunky, but it’s used commonly to mean ‘with on the outside of’ or ‘with an anagram of’.
      It’s just not a great puzzle, we are mostly agreed – moods/days aside SL..!

      • BusyLizzie
        Posted August 9, 2016 at 9:32 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Oh yes forgot about that use of agency in the UK since we moved across the pond. Not used much here.

        • LetterboxRoy
          Posted August 10, 2016 at 12:39 am | Permalink | Reply

          Don’t panic, the CIA haven’t noticed :smile:

  31. Jaguar Pete
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 7:30 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Sorry Mr Ron, but I didn’t enjoy today’s puzzle. As everyone has said too many dodgy synonyms.
    I could not complete the NW or SE corners because 1A and 30A stumped me.
    Nevertheless thanks to all

  32. Jon_S
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 7:47 pm | Permalink | Reply

    A fairly straightforward solve, apart from the combination of 1ac/3d/9ac which took about half the time as the rest of the puzzle! Quite enjoyable while it lasted. :-)

  33. candida
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 9:29 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Please could you tell me what R&W means? (Referring to yesterday).

    • LetterboxRoy
      Posted August 9, 2016 at 9:47 pm | Permalink | Reply

      See FAQ’s – Read & Write. You read the clue then write the answer. :smile:

  34. Jaylegs
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 10:18 pm | Permalink | Reply

    It means read and write Candida, a little too easy to solve 😊 I found the NW corner tricky leading to ***/** Did not like 1a or 20d 😕 Thanks to SL, the setter and all pedants everywhere 😳 Quite liked 1d & 21d 😬

  35. Graham
    Posted August 9, 2016 at 11:14 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I needed the answer to 1a and that enabled me to finish of with 3d where I’d been fixated with amiga. Apart from that I did the rest quite quickly for me. Thanks.

  36. Hanni
    Posted August 10, 2016 at 12:13 am | Permalink | Reply

    I found some of the synonyms a little but stretched but certainly solvable. I never mind anagrams so no complaints from me and not tricky. Thought 30a was quite nice.

    Many thanks to the setter and to a ‘grumpy’ SL…hope tomorrow is better.

  37. Amanda
    Posted August 10, 2016 at 7:53 am | Permalink | Reply

    9a and 30a remain a mystery, even with your explanation!

  38. Jose
    Posted August 10, 2016 at 11:12 am | Permalink | Reply

    SL. 20d: Isn’t this an across clue that’s been recycled, without adaption, as a downer? Wouldn’t below or under be more appropriate than “behind” – unless one is disregarding the word’s spatial orientation.

  39. Jose
    Posted August 10, 2016 at 11:26 am | Permalink | Reply

    SL. 17d: I appreciate that “without” used as a containment indicator is unpopular (to say the least) on here. But have a read of my explanation on the DT 28144 page and see what you think. It’s there in black and white in the SOED and the setters use it quite regularly – so I’m 100% happy with the device.

  40. Jose
    Posted August 10, 2016 at 11:54 am | Permalink | Reply

    This was about on a par with Monday’s, possibly a little better. 2*/3*

  41. Tstrummer
    Posted August 10, 2016 at 1:47 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Some of this was too easy, and some too hard, making for an uneven solve. I don’t mind plenty anagrams, but some of these lacked an elegant surface and seemed a bit forced. 2*/2*
    Ta to SL, who may have cheered up by now, and the setter.

  42. Merty
    Posted October 9, 2016 at 4:46 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Re 20d, I still don’t understand why this means green in the agricultural sense. What is the BRB, can anyone tell me? Thanks to SL.

    • Prolixic
      Posted October 9, 2016 at 6:13 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Welcome to the blog Merty

      Chambers gives one of the meanings of green as relating to currency values expressing EU farm prices such as green pound.

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