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DT 28081

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 28081

Hints and tips by 2Kiwis

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BD Rating – Difficulty ** – Enjoyment ***

We are now home again and slotting back into our regular routines after an enjoyable and productive couple of weeks in the South Island. Since we last wrote a blog the seasons seem to have turned the corner. There was a definite nip in the air this morning and the river in front of our place was shrouded in mist. Our clocks were put back to GMT+12 last weekend which means that we can start our solving at 11 a.m. our time.
Jay has given us a  gentle puzzle this week to get back into the swing of things.

Please leave a comment telling us how you got on.


1a     Large company gathering in a root crop (11)
CORPORATION : An anagram (gathering) of IN A ROOT CROP.

9a     Ducks around the lines in play (7)
OTHELLO : The ducks are letters representing the scores of unsuccessful cricketers. They surround THE from the clue and the repeated abbreviation for lines.

10a     A bishop caught in the sack is excluded (6)
BARRED : A from the clue and the letters representing the title of a bishop are inside a sack or sleeping place.

12a     Two presents not to be found (7)
NOWHERE : Split the answer 3,4 to find two words meaning present – one concerning time and the other place.

13a     High flier’s goal could be void? (4,3)
THIN AIR : What could be encountered by a pilot at high altitude, and where something that has vanished is said to go into.

14a     A bit of passion as a lady shows such a tone (5)
NASAL : Our only lurker of the day, hiding inside the clue.

15a     Delay due to unrest by lower socioeconomic groups (9)
DEFERMENT : Unrest or a state of agitation follows two letters that can be used to represent the fourth and fifth socioeconomic levels.

17a     Villain‘s doctor welcomed by new counsel (9)
SCOUNDREL : An anagram (new) of COUNSEL includes an abbreviation for a doctor.

20a     Bound to miss knight’s shoot (5)
SPRIG : A word meaning to bound or leap loses the chess notation for a knight.

22a     Excited area staff accepting employment (7)
AROUSED : The abbreviation for area and a word for a staff or pole includes a word meaning employment or function.

24a     Sort of element requiring information on aura (7)
HALOGEN : The aura might be found above the head of an angel and precedes an informal word for information.

25a     Oriental, having missed the start, is at the back (6)
ASTERN : Remove the first letter from a word meaning oriental.

26a     Judges and Unionist lawmakers full of anger (7)
UMPIRES : A three letter synonym for anger is inside the abbreviation for unionist and the lawmakers we elect to govern us.

27a     These miners quarried for fragments (11)
SMITHEREENS : An anagram (quarried) of THESE MINERS.


2d     One’s drilled as result of time off work, effectively (3,4)
OIL WELL : Find a word for hard work and remove the abbreviation for time from it, and then a word meaning effectively.

3d     Demonstrated socialist revolutionary food for livestock (9)
PROVENDER : Demonstrated or shown to be true precedes the reversal of the colour representing a socialist.

4d     Automaton that’s British in origin (5)
ROBOT : A word for an origin or source includes the abbreviation for British.

5d     Row about stray dog (7)
TERRIER : A word meaning stray or make a mistake is inside a synonym for a row or rank.

6d     Work in the theatre? (7)
OPERATE : A cryptic definition. The theatre here is not the one used for a dramatic performance.

7d     Matinee idol’s daily? (7,4)
MORNING STAR : The literal meaning of matinee and another word for a performance idol.

8d     Vigorously wash large and small pashminas (6)
SHAWLS : An anagram (vigorously) of WASH and then the abbreviations for L(arge) and S(mall).

11d     Go into parts designed for leading character (11)
PROTAGONIST : An anagram (designed) of GO INTO PARTS.

16d     Packed theatre gets a good hand (4,5)
FULL HOUSE : A double definition. The second is what a poker player should be pleased to see.

18d     Work on bone problem for marsupial (7)
OPOSSUM : A two letter word for a musical work and then a small anatomical word for a bone is followed by a mathematical addition problem.

19d     Developing when invested in new American coin (7)
NASCENT : A two letter synonym for when is inside the abbreviation for new and a small American (or even NZ) coin.

20d     Cooked plantains, but not in shallow basin (4,3)
SALT PAN : An anagram (cooked) of ‘PLANTAinS’ after ‘in’ has been removed.
21d     Look for respect (6)
REGARD : A double definition.

23d     Impenetrable studies before end of course (5)
DENSE : A word for studies as types of rooms and then the last letter of course.

We liked 10a because of the chuckle it gave us from the surface reading, and for first thinking the initial letter was the bishop in the wordplay.

Quickie pun     injure  +  dishes  =  injudicious

125 comments on “DT 28081

  1. Nice to have something straightforward after yesterday’s stinker (which I for one couldn’t finish)…..! */** for me, good puzzle with nothing obscure and some nice twists, favourite was 12a….thanks to all

  2. Phew. What a relief after yesterday. Needed something a bit easier to build my confidence back up. Pretty much R&W, but still fun along the way. No overall favourite today. Thank you setter and 2Ks.

  3. what a contrast from yesterday’s horror. This was almost a R&W but fun nonetheless. No real standout clues but I did like 24a and 19d. Just as well it was quick today as off to the clinic now to look at my hopefully recovering ankle.
    I do miss my golf!
    Thx to the setter and to 2kiwis for the hints.

  4. After the last couple of days that was a relief as well as a pleasure. Took a bit longer than last Weds (I think) but then I was neither bright-eyed nor bushy-tailed earlier.

    If your name is not Kath, I have a sextet of favourites. Kath – I have some contenders for favourite, with no decision yet made. They are: 12a, 14a, 22a, 2d, 7d and 16d. There was a new bone for me in 18d (I only knew it as a root for longer words, not as a stand-alone) but it was easy to see.

    Thanks to Jay and the 2Kiwis – lovely to have you back.

    1. Oh dear, oh dear – and in the absence of the ‘little faces’ I can’t even give you a thumbs down, Kitty! :-(

  5. Did this one in quick (though unspecified) time, but it was pleasing all the same. Bit disappointed with 4d, a “spoiler” – perfectly good cryptic wordplay made redundant (or spoiled) by a very obvious, transparrent definition. I would have preferred a more obscure or even a cryptic definition for this clue. 2*/3*

    1. PS. My above comment contains a deliberate mistake, since Mpops has stopped doing them.

        1. Mp, is the ? because you haven’t stopped doing them or because you can’t spot my…ahem…deliberate mistake? If the latter, then here’s a clue: The bishop’s all there, but it’s 50% too much!

  6. I agree 2* difficulty, unless I’m particularly wide-awake this morning, and nearer 4* for enjoyment.
    Like the Kiwis I spent a while trying to make the naughty 10a bishop a B.
    The 7d daily was my last answer – don’t know why but it just was.
    Didn’t even have trouble with the lurker today.
    I liked 14 and 27a and 8 and 16d. I thought 5d was particularly appropriate today as it’s the day when it becomes an offence for dogs not to have a micro-chip. My favourite was 10a.
    With thanks to Jay and to the 2K’s – nice to have you back where you belong.
    A quick look at the Toughie to see if it’s likely to be possible then garden.

  7. */** for me – R&W, and almost over before it began, I even knew what a pashmina was without having to look it up. Favourite – 24a. Thanks to the setter and welcome back to the 2Ks.

  8. What’s happened to the star rating that used to be a the bottom of the hints? I thought that was useful as it allowed none commenters to have a vote.

  9. After yesterday’s wonderful fun filled puzzle this was a disappointment. If yesterday’s puzzle was a thoroughbred this is a donkey. Read the across clues. Put some in. Read the down clues. Put some in. More than the across clues because there are checkers to help. Fill in the blanks. Move on to The Quickie. No stand out clues. Nothing to challenge the brain cells. No obscurities. No real thought required. Chestnuts well over retirement age at 9ac 10ac 25ac 25ac 27ac (not again) 5d 6d, 11d 16d 19d 21d and some more that just about got let off the hook.

    One for the newer solvers methinks.

    The 2ks missed a chance to put a Bob Dylan clip at 14 across. I would have taken it.

    1. However Thanks to Jay. I may not have rated it highly but it is far better than I could do. Thanks also to the New Zealanders.

    2. For a poor orphan boy, you certainly are a lot brainier than most of us. You must be very proud of your superior abilities! Clever M’pops.

  10. No problems beyond missing the 1a anagram for a while and worrying slightly that the bishop was going to be at the beginning of 10a when he was supposed to be in the middle of something!

    Top three spots go to 12a plus 16&18d with a reserve for 27a just because it’s a lovely word.

    Many thanks to Jay and to our returning 2Ks.

  11. Superb puzzle not overtly taxing only took xxxxxxx however a number of the clues I thought were brilliant especially 9A & 12A. Thank you setter and bloggers.

    1. We don’t put solving times as it may discourage those who take more time to solve a particular crossword. You can describe your time taken in terms of ‘cups of tea’/ ‘pints of beer’ if you wish.

      1. I like your idea of cups of tea or pints of beer for solving times, this was a two Pint solve for me ( Real ale) that is.

        1. One minute thirty seconds at the start of a session. A bit longer in the middle of a session – five minutes say. And about half an hour with two trips to the loo at the end of a session.

            1. I still adhere to the “3 pint rule”, which I learnt in my late teens; never break the seal before at least 3 pints, preferably more, otherwise you are in and out of the toilet every ten minutes for the rest of the night.

          1. I find a catheter tube fed into a bag works very well indeed, for many reasons – especially if you live in or around East Anglia and are drinking ‘Tolly Cobbold’.

            1. Once your first 2 or 3 pints are consumed they will make their way into your ‘bag’.
            2. When you go to empty your ‘bag’ – put it straight back into your pint glass.
            3. Leave to cool a bit.
            4. Drink to your heart’s content following steps 1 to 3
            5. Leave what you can’t drink at the end of the night – the Landlord will just pour it back into the barrel.

            My introduction to good English beer was when I joined the RN at HMS Ganges. The first billboard I saw when arriving at Ipswich station was ‘Smile, you’re in Tolly Cobbold Country’.

            Apologies to our East Anglian contingent. :)

      2. Oops- sorry its just that I’ve never managed to walk straight through a puzzle like todays – I completed it before all of the system in the office had booted up. Hence the time in my initial response.

  12. Hoorah! A nice relaxing solve and very enjoyable 😊 */**** Liked many of the clues but choose 12a & 16d Thanks to J & KK 😜

  13. What a relief after yesterdays horror show. Certainly a confidence restorer, fairly straight forward and enjoyable. Many thanks to Jay and 2kiwis.

  14. Thanks to 2ks for explaining 15a. Had the second part but couldn’t understand the first.
    The rest was pretty straightforward.
    Can’t quite believe what the newspaper in 7d seems to claim.
    Thanks to Jay and to 2ks for the review.

  15. A thoroughly agreeable coffee break puzzle. Like Brian, I miss the star rating. It was nice to see what the overall assessment was. Hope they come back

  16. Thank Heavens for today’s offering…Another like yesterday’s horror and I was going to take up knitting as an alternative…

    1. Knitting is easier to remember than solving cryptic crosswords HIYD. There are only two stitches to remember. Knit and Purl. That is all there is to it.

      1. I watched my Mum do it for 20 years…On second thoughts, I’ll stick with the crosswords….

        1. Oh God those awful hand knitted jumpers we had to endure,they didn’t even improve after mother bought a knitting machine, just meant she could knock them out even quicker.

          1. We got to wear them for about a year, then the were unravelled, put back into balls and ‘Hey Presto’ back into jumpers. My Mother had a knitting ‘school’ when my Aunties and Mum’s friends came round to the house on a Wednesday afternoon. Much tea was drunk, cakes and biscuits eaten and I made a fortune saying goodbye to my Aunties.

          1. Care to define a “stitch”? As distinct from an “instruction”?

            On second thoughts………my afternoon has suddenly become busy.😩

      2. Knitting is not easy. I once knitted two rows of a scarf, it took me days. Then I realised I could just go to John Lewis and buy one. So I did.

        1. OOh – John Lewis, quite the la-de-dah :). When I was a kid, we shopped for clothes in the Co-op. Stilt remember our number.

            1. Way before your time methinks. The Co-op in Scotland sold virtually everything you needed when I was a child. Everyone had a ‘membership’ number (ours was 2968) and every time you shopped, a ‘dividend’ was placed on your number to be used in future shopping – normally around Christmas. But you cash in your ‘divvie’ at any time.

              Just the same as a store loyalty card.

              My brother lives in Newcastle and my sister is in Canada. We don’t see each other very often but when we all meet up – God help the one who can’t remember the ‘Co-op divvie’ number.

          1. The last instruction as a boy on leaving the house to go and get some provisions from the co-op on the corner was ‘don’t forget to give them the divi number’

          2. 50436. My Mum didn’t cash in her divi until our Sue got married then it paid for the wedding reception

          1. Our divi number was 3122 and it bought our new school shoes! Wonderful thing old age can remember hardly nothing from a few days ago and everything from 60years ago. Like Shropshirelad big trouble if you forgot the number and came home without the ticket showing the divi. Ah the good old days!

            1. I remember how excited I was when the Co-op decided to stock ‘Tuff Wayfinders’. I pleaded and virtually sold my sole (sic) to get a pair for the new school year. I got them, and they were the worst shoes I ever had. They were so uncomfortable – the compass was s***e and you had to keep on taking one of them off to try and identify any animal track. That meant soggy socks. I persevered with them as I didn’t want to upset Mum and was glad when I grew out of them.

  17. Having failed miserably yesterday for one ‘newer solver’ this was a confidence booster. OK, there were some old chestnuts but 12a for example was a delight.

  18. Just one quibble. In 7d, because the word idol is included, one assumes the matinee is a play or film. They do not take place during the first word in the answer but later.

    Thanks to setter and 2 Kiwis

  19. This was very much ‘after the lord mayor’s show’ for me. Yesterday was a real challenge, this wasn’t sadly. 27a was fave… as Jane has said, just a nice sounding word. 2/2* overall.
    Thanks to Jay and the 2K’s for their review.

  20. Pleasant enough solve but over quite quickly. No stand out clues but nice enough. Agree about ye olde chestnuts…but as someone once said, ‘old chestnuts for some are new fruit to others’, so I hope some people enjoyed them.

    Many thanks to Jay and to the 2K’s for a great blog. Good to have you back.

      1. Hanni
        Thought of you when I turned my desk calendar ( for old forgetful people) over this morning. Old Russian proverb – forgetfulness is looking for the horse you are riding.

        1. Brilliant Hilary! The trouble is it is remarkably apt. I forgot the word for bridle recently, spent ages looking for my sunglasses at the pub (they were on my head) and not one of my friends thought to point it out *insert wear word*, asked a ridiculously stupid question on Saturday, I blame the painkillers and I still struggle with L and R.

  21. I agree with MP – yesterday’s was a star puzzle forcing the use of the grey cells. Today’s (last night, we’re GMT-5 hours now) was pretty much a R&W moderately enjoyable (with quite a few old chestnuts) after starting in the SE corner with the downs in case it was a Jay – was it? Thanks to he or the setter and 2Ks.

    No favourite for me.


  22. Pretty much what Miffypops said. We read the across clues and filled in nine then we read the downs and got eleven. The rest then went straight in so it was all over before it could give much in the way of entertainment.

    */*** from us.

    Thanks to Jay and the 2K’s, nice to see you back.

  23. A very pleasant solve.3d is a new one on me. I’ll pick 16d as my favourite.
    While autumn is descending on New Zealand , spring has not arrived here yet. An absolutely filthy day here, with hail and cold blasts of wind.
    Thanks to Jay and the Kiwis.

  24. An enjoyable puzzle. Crumbs I don’t mind being stretched but I needed a bit of a gentle workout after the exertions of finishing yesterdays monster! A nice playful offering from Jay. I liked 24a and 18d (I like my science/medicine), but 7d was my favourite. Needed to check I had 3d right as it was new to me. Thanks to 2Kiwis and Jay.

  25. I made much heavier work of this than I suspect I should have. Spent too long remembering the cattle food and worse, even longer trying to insert “kt” into 20a. Having said that, this was pleasantly straightforward (glad I missed yesterday’s by all accounts). The usual nice surfaces and construction. 15a was favourite and 20a last in. **/*** Thanks to Jay and to the 2Ks.

  26. All done.
    Probably a bit too easy for experts, but what I needed after yesterday.
    Pride comes before a fall, so as I am ahead of the game, I will attempt the Toughie.
    Favourite clue was 12a, mentioned in despatches…13a, 25a, 7d

  27. An enjoyable but un-taxing puzzle from Jay. Nothing really stood out as ‘Please make me your favourite’, but I did enjoy the clue for 7d. Reminded me of going to the ‘pictures’ for the Saturday matinee, jam jar in hand – what a riot. I doubt cinema matinees still exist and if they do – they’re probably nowhere near as full.

    Anyway, thanks to Jay for the puzzle and nice to see the 2K’s back in the blogging chair. Welcome back :)

    1. I’m typing this with a horrified look on my face and feel free not to answer…but why the hell did you take a jam jar to the cinema?

      1. That was your entrance fee. Back in the dim and distant past – glass bottles/jars were worth money. My mates and I used to hunt high and low for discarded bottles.

    2. It was called the tanner rush when I was a lad in the sixties. The Gaumont used to be packed every Saturday.

        1. Next time we meet in London, I’ll give you a guided tour of the West End.

    3. I went to a matinee performance today :) But you’re right, it wasn’t very full.

  28. Thanks to Jay and to the 2 Kiwis for the review and hints. I enjoyed this one very much, not as much of a struggle as yesterday, but very well constructed. For some reason I put evening star for 7d, needed the hint to correct it. Couldn’t get 3d, had never heard of it, one for the memory banks. Favourite was 24a, Jay often seems to have one or two science based clues. Was 2*/3* for me. Blue sky now in Central London after the rain.

    1. Not for long, will start again about 16:52, just as I begin my cycle home….

      1. So you finish at 5.00pm then HIYD. When I finished at 5 I always made it to the pub for a quarter to.

  29. Thanks to Jay and 2Kiwis for cheering me up after yesterday’s debacle. Too many goodies for me to risk choosing a favourite but I did enjoy the quickie pun. Emails arriving and I did not have to fill in my name thank you BD. OK I am a bit older than eight but I do miss the emoticons.

    1. The pun reminded me of the old advert for Fairy Liquid – Hands that judicious can be as soft as your face.

      1. Modern day version. “Mummy Mummy, Why are your hands so soft” “Because I’m only fourteen, now **** off and finish your pizza before your dad gets home from school”

      2. I have a great joke which that reminds me of – or since I’m in the company of pedants even though RD is away – of which that reminds me. Too long for here but next meeting I’ll tell everyone – a threat or a promise!

  30. Phew, what a relief after yesterday’s horror. No problem in the South but then a couple of sticking points in the North but managed on my Jack Jones so all’s well that ends well. TVM Jay and welcome back to the fold 2 Ks. 9a obvious but amusing. 27a quarried = anagram? It must be April – got soaked in town (Horsham) this morning but now home and dried out and enjoying some lovely sunshine. **/***.

  31. What a difference a day makes! Thank you, thank you Jay for restoring my confidence, no obscurities today.
    My fave was 10a, but 12a was pretty special as well.
    Thanks again, Jay, and welcome back 2Kiwis – special thanks for the pic at 5d.

  32. This was the personification of elegant cluing from Jay, delightfully smooth surfaces and some clever constructions, especially 12a, my overall favourite.

    Nothing too taxing, although 3d was a word I had forgotten and I needed to dredge it out from the mental cupboard under the stairs.

    Quite how some commenters can claim that this puzzle is in any way inferior to yesterday’s with its several questionable clues totally escapes me, but it’s good to have differing opinions!

    Many thanks to Mr. Mutch and to the returning 2Kiwis.

    P.S. Is Rabbit Dave on holiday again?

    1. Yes – well, no – he’s away but not on holiday – gone to somewhere I can’t remember – Dubai (?) for a few days word. He filled in all the appropriate forms – I do remember that bit. I think it’s probably just an excuse for a few more days in the sun.

      1. Oh dear – no, he’s gone for ‘work’ not ‘word’ – muddy fingers so can’t type properly – good thing husband’s at work as he hates it when I use the keyboard with hands that a mole would be ashamed of.

  33. **/***. A pleasant challenge with some good clues (12a the best). Thanks to the setter and the 2Ks for the review. Lots of eagles and herons on our walks along Blackie Spit. We love this time of year.

  34. More to my liking than the shocker yesterday. Late start again but managed it in the end very enjoyable. Needed 2 kiwis help with 3d but got it from the hints and tips thank you. Favourite clues 5d and 7d. Overall rating 2/4.

    Confidence restored today thanks to Jay and of course the 2Ks

  35. It would appear that the weird and wonderful world of DT cryptics so is back spinning on its correct axis after a mid-air correction yesterday. Many thanks to Jay for nudging us back on course and to the 2Ks for their hard work. No single clue stood out, but overall this was a pleasant and enjoyable solve worthy of a 2*/3.5* score.

  36. What a contrast with the horror of yesterday. A very pleasant puzzle. Many thanks to Jay door an enjoyable crossword and to 2kiwis. Can you just tell me how the ‘n’gets Into 3d

      1. Many thanks YS. I was seeing it as xxxxx rather than xxxxxx. No naughty. step for me

        1. Ce n’est pas un mot croisé à prix. Vous pouvez écrire les mots sans crainte.

          1. OK – My teacher (Miss Love – seriously) taught me French quite well and I’ve worked for a French engineering firm where it stood me in good stead. However, the knowledge has disappeared over the years and other than ‘une demi de pression’ et un verre de vin rouge s’il vous plaît’ accompanied with ‘merci patron’ I have to rely on Google translate.

            The previous comment translates as – ‘This is not a crossword in price. You can write the word without fear.’ What does that mean?

            1. Not bad for Google.
              Collywobbles showed restraint and I merely said that it wasn’t a prize crossword and that he could mention the words without being sent to the naughty corner.

  37. Yes, done and I am able to comment as for once I am not one day behind. I print off the puzzles on line and like to get my money’s worth, so, with life getting in the way of crossword solving, I am always playing catch up. This was so enjoyable…I couldn’t cope with yesterday’s but learned much from reading the blog. Even with this one, I had completed the right half, but got stuck and so availed myself of the hint for 7d which conveniently had a nice informative image, then I was away again. Thanks 2kiwis for the hints and to the setter and for the continuing entertainment provided by all. My fave was 27a …I like the word and also like anagrams that I don’t even have to write in a circle as this was, likewise 1a.

  38. Indeed – I am not a day or more behind either ;) Very straightforward but pleasing all the same. 1*/3* with favourites 15a and 16d – which may be an old chestnut for some but still had a lovely surface reading.
    I’m almost wishing I had Tuesday’s crossword, just to see how far my crossword solving skills have come along. Maybe I should head over to the Toughie.

      1. You are very kind. Thank you. I will let you know how I get on – probably in a week or so ;)

  39. A * in terms of difficulty, but thoroughly enjoyed. Never heard 27ac outside of the phrase ‘smash to…’ before, but there you go. 8d was a nice example of a clue with a fairly obscure definition (in this part of the world at least), and friendly wordplay that took you straight to the answer. At 3d I tried both PROVES and PROVED before the obvious finally flashed before my eyes.

  40. Good morning everyone. What a lot of reading needed to be done to get to the end of the comments to write this. Obviously all the access to the site problems are behind us now so many thanks to BD for the huge effort he has put in over the last several weeks.
    It looks like most people appreciated what Jay offered us , we enjoyed it as we invariably do.

  41. Squeals of delight after yesterday. Old chestnuts are certainly new fruits for this greenhorn. Thank you to all, and the man who doesn’t sleep – Mr Miffypops!

    1. He does you know – but with one eye always open. However, this is a Jay / 2K’s production and a pretty good one at that I might add.

  42. Very enjoyable, if rapid solve today in chilly Teesdale, so quick that we even managed to squeeze in the toughie before the GP arrived, though that puzzle is a very different kettle of eels to this one. Thanks to the setter and 2Ks.

  43. An advantage of being a newer solver is that chestnuts aren’t, so I may have got more pleasure out of this than most. At least once I had gained a foothold in the SW, and was able to build outwards from there. Went astray for a bit thinking that the idol would be checking the news after the performance, but that error soon became clear. Favorite would have to be 12a.

    Thanks to Jay for the puzzle and to the kiwis for an entertaining blog.

  44. I do like a Jay puzzle, especially seeing as they are invariably on Wednesdays, the night I have to do homework for the Australians in the morning, so I’m always grateful when they don’t take that long – only half a pint in this case. Finished on two passes, but enjoyed the journey. 18d is wearing the green jacket. Ta to the (welcome back) Ks and to Jay. 1*/3*

    1. Welcome to the blog Gina

      If the answers are revealed then try using a different nameserver. You havent mentioned which platform you are using, so I can’t help further.

  45. Oops, I forgot to thanks Jay and the NZx2 for their excellent hints.
    My ex-step mother has just taken root in Auckland, so beware.

    1. We reckon we are far enough away from Auckland to be safe, but thanks for the warning.

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