DT 27219

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 27219

Hints and tips by Big Dave

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BD Rating – Difficulty **Enjoyment **

Deep Threat has agreed to do today’s Toughie, for which I am extremely grateful.  If it hadn’t been for a slight delay with 2 down and 13 down, this would have only ranked as */**.

Please leave a comment telling us what you thought. You can also add your assessment by selecting from one to five stars at the bottom of the post.

Across

5a    Against the current new look of tempuras (8)
{UPSTREAM} – an anagram (new look) of TEMPURAS

8a    Wholly entertained by wicked song (6)
{BALLAD} – a adverb meaning wholly inside (entertained by) an adjective meaning wicked

10a    Is concerned about one getting tooth decay (6)
{CARIES} – a verb meaning Is concerned around I (one)

11a    US lawyer wisely involved Irish actor (3-5)
{DAY-LEWIS} – the two-letter abbreviation for a US lawyer followed by an anagram (involved) of WISELY

12a    I’m career chef, originally a product of France (5,7)
{CRÈME FRAÎCHE} – an anagram (originally) of I’M CAREER CHEF

15a    Drove that woman daft, initially (4)
{HERD} – a pronoun meaning “that woman” followed by the initial letter of Daft

17a    First of riders in a lease causes alarm (5)
{ALERT} – the initial letter (first) of Riders inside the A from the clue and a lease

18a    Top copy plus ten (4)
{APEX} – a verb meaning to copy followed by the Roman numeral for ten

19a    Second, athletes who surprisingly get everyone’s praise in event (5,3,4)
{STEAL THE SHOW} – S(econd) followed by an anagram (surprisingly) of ATHLETES WHO

22a    Film cancelled — hurry away (5,3)
{SHOOT OFF} – a verb meaning to film followed by an adjective meaning cancelled

24a    Priest’s team getting recipe for magic potion (6)
{ELIXIR} – an Old Testament priest followed by the Roman numerals for the number of players in a cricket or football team and R(ecipe)

25a    23 looked at in broadcast (6)
{SPREAD} – the two-letter horse-racing abbreviation for 23 down followed by a verb meaning looked at

26a    Guys in principle responsible for block of apartments (8)
{TENEMENT} – some guys inside a principle

Down

1d    Awful trauma, with one adult displaced by international court (6)
{ATRIUM} – an anagram (awful) of TRAUM(A) after one of the A(dult)s has been displaced by I(nternational)

2d    Banter, as such, going over head of inmate, fellow prisoner (10)
{PERSIFLAGE} – a Latin phrase (3,2) meaning as such around the initial letter (head) of Inmate, F(ellow) and a prisoner

3d    Take orders from old boy you once sent up (4)
{OBEY} – the abbreviation for Old Boy followed by an old word for you reversed (sent up in a down clue)

4d    A reportedly depressed woman in plant (4,4)
{ALOE VERA} – the A from the clue followed by what sounds like (reportedly) an adjective meaning depressed and a woman’s name

6d    Colour of English silver received by groom (3-5)
{PEA-GREEN} – E(nglish) and the chemical symbol for silver inside a verb meaning to groom

7d    Took longer than was necessary? Perhaps chef did, with what he was given (4,1,4,2,2)
{MADE A MEAL OF IT} – could be what a chef would do with the ingredients he was given

9d    A boundary that’s upset alliance (4)
{AXIS} – the A from the clue followed by the reversal (that’s upset) of a cricket shot that goes over the boundary

13d    Arrest by copper with appeal of reduced charge (10)
{CATCHPENNY} – a verb meaning to arrest followed by a coin that used to be made of copper gives an adjective meaning having a cheap superficial attractiveness designed to encourage quick sales

14d    Video not working, love? (8)
{DEVOTION} – an anagram (working) of VIDEO NOT

16d    Find out about record surplus (8)
{DISCOVER} – a vinyl record followed by an adverb meaning surplus

20d    Greek character, across sole of foot, finds scar (6)
{STIGMA} – a Greek character around the final letter (sole) of fooT

21d    Leader of clog dance gets cut (4)
{CHOP} – the initial letter (leader) of Clog followed by a dance (which gives me the opportunity to add a video by Danny and the Juniors!)

23d    Price offered not even by head of Smithsonian (4)
{ODDS} – a word meaning not even followed by the initial letter (head) of Smithsonian

I’m sure some will like this, but I found it to be rather dull.


The Quick crossword pun: (laud} + {mare} = {Lord Mayor}

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80 Comments

  1. Paul Smith
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Couldn’t get on with too much of this today, so thanks for the tips. You have enhanced my education!

  2. Colmce
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    2d caused me big problems, word I’d never heard of, and thinking I was looking for a fellow prisoner, 4d got fixated with blue as first word, still, much cogitation and head scratching later it all fell into place.

    Always very satisfying to solve a puzzle after a bit of a struggle.

    Thanks to BD for the review.

    Thanks to the setter for a challenging (for me) puzzle.

  3. Rabbit Dave
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    I agree with BD: Difficulty **; Enjoyment **. Unlike BD I got held up for a while on three answers: 2d (which I had heard of, but had no idea until today what it meant!), and 13d & 10a (both of which were new words for me). I finally cracked all of them with the help of the BRB.

    Many thanks to Mr. Ron and to BD.

    P.S. BD I think you must have pressed the shift key when you entered your hint for 15a.

    • Posted July 2, 2013 at 11:24 am | Permalink

      Every now and then my keyboard mapping gets screwed up – I was getting @ instead of ” and vice versa.

    • Posted July 2, 2013 at 11:26 am | Permalink

      Mrs BD hosted a Womens’ Fellowship meeting last year when there was a demonstration of Aloe Vera products. A bit of a flash-in-the-pan as I think we still have everything that she bought.

      • SheilaP
        Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

        We use Aloe Vera toilet paper. Just thought you would like to know, but perhaps too much information. 2 down is a new word for us. Thank you to setter & especially hinter, always needed.

        • Vigo
          Posted July 2, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

          Aloe Vera loo roll is the best – tried the Touch of Luxury Shea Butter but my husband didn’t like the colour (it’s sort of creamy beige).

    • Kath
      Posted July 2, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

      I did know 10a but there is also a word which turns up occasionally in crosswords – ‘cavies’ which are a bit like guinea pigs – and always have to think which is which. Oh dear – the thought of a guinea pig in the mouth is not a nice one – don’t like them anyway! :sad:

      • Rabbit Dave
        Posted July 2, 2013 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

        I would have agreed with you a couple of weeks ago, but for the past ten days I have been looking after my four year old granddaughter’s pair of guinea pigs while she and her parents are away on holiday. They are actually quite entertaining, and, fortunately, my rabbit seems totally unconcerned about having two foreigners on his patch!

        But, in any event, I wouldn’t much like one in the mouth!

        • Kath
          Posted July 2, 2013 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

          Neighbours of ours have guinea pigs – when they go away we feed them sometimes. A few months ago one died – they got another ‘little friend’ for the survivor. Then the survivor died so they got another little friend for the new one. This seems, to me, like a vicious circle – when do you stop? By the way their daughters lost interest a very long time ago.

  4. Graham
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    I needed help today on two clues 2D which is a new word for me & 13D, apart from these two it was a nice offering with a good selection of clues my favourite today was 4D but was trying to fit blue something until a doh moment. Many thanks to BD for the review which was required today.

    • Posted July 2, 2013 at 11:28 am | Permalink

      The presence of the homophone indicator “reportedly” should have ruled out blue – you’ll know to watch out for it next time!

      • Sheenypops
        Posted July 3, 2013 at 8:10 am | Permalink

        Until I got 18a I had this answer as Bluebell. Worked as a homophone for me as in “blue belle”!

    • Senf
      Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

      Mostly finished before lights out last night. Quite enjoyable, not as tricky as Rufus yesterday – I would give it **/*** – last one is was 4d, with help from BD, I was also hung up on “blue something.” Favourite is 2d.

    • Merusa
      Posted July 2, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

      Unlike BD, I had no problem with 2d or 13d but struggled with several others, 22a and 25a for a start. I shot myself in the foot by putting “hash” in for 7d and so screwed up 19a, which I knew was an anagram, and 17a.

  5. Michael
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Another really enjoyable puzzle – 2d was a new word to me, I had all the checking letters and looked it up BD’s explanation about how to work it out ‘cryptically’ was enlightening.

    Thanks to all

  6. angel
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Really enjoyed today’s exercise ***/**** although 2d and 10a were new to me and initially made problems for myself ‘cos I put “pinch” in 13d and “shed” for 15a (surely her is possessive?). 4d amused me too.

    • Posted July 2, 2013 at 11:47 am | Permalink

      It’s “her” as in “her indoors”.

  7. skempie
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    As with most, 2D took a while as I was trying to fit MAE in at the end, 13D would have been quicker if I hadn’t managed t spell 12A wrong – for some reason I put an S in (must be an early sign of me coming down with Alka Seltzer). Other than that, no real problems and some very enjoyable cluing .

  8. Miffypops
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Glad to see it isn’t just me struggling with 2d and 13d. Not having 17ac isn’t helping and 9d is proving elusive. Patience and perseverence Miffypops,

  9. neveracrossword
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    I’d rate it **/***. For some reason, when I was at school, 2d was one of my favourite words.

  10. crypticsue
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    2d has long been one of my favourite words.

    Anyone looking for great fun in their crosswording today should look at Punk in the Indy and Arachne in the Graun. Super stuff.

    • Jezza
      Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

      I’ve just finished the Graun – puzzle of the day for me.

      • gazza
        Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

        I agree – the Arachne is superb.

  11. Beaver
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Bit mean today BD, thought it was a **/*** with a few difficult clues thrown in like 13d and 2d, was’nt his brother the scarlet P?. Liked the blog pics, thought Mrs Duckworth was a shoe in for 4d,never mind.Remembered Danny and the juniors and the Coasters but the Clovers escape me.

    • Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

      You may have heard an inferior cover version of Love Potion No 9 by The Searchers.

      • Beaver
        Posted July 2, 2013 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

        I do remember the Searchers version but the coasters also recorded it in 1971,which was pretty good.

  12. Heno
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to the setter and to Big Dave, found this very tricky as usual, but most educational and enjoyable. Still no completion, my worst run ever ! Got stuck on 2,4,9&13d. Never heard of 2&13, should’ve got 9 and thought Blue was the first word of 4. Favourites were 12&18a and 7d. Cold and grey in Central London, looks like Summer has been cancelled.

  13. Bluebird
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Difficulty rating right I thought. At least *** for enjoyment.

    I did have to look up 2 and 13d, and found I had heard of them, but wasn’t 100% sure of definition. I’m sure they will come in handy for other puzzles, although I’m unlikely to use them in conversation……
    Waylaid by momentarily wanting to put ‘sea’ instead of ‘pea’.
    Loved 4d and once had the pleasure of using the actual plant on sunburn in New Zealand ( growing right outside bedroom window)…..

    Finally, in12a, is the word ‘originally’ redundant?

    • gazza
      Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

      Originally is the anagram indicator, so it’s definitely needed.

      • Bluebird
        Posted July 2, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

        Oh, OK. Thanks Gazza. I didn’t think of ‘originally’ as being an anagram indicator. If anything, I think of it as maybe suggesting the first letter or something like that.
        I might have to start compiling a list of anagram directives….

  14. Zeet Scooter
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Being two hours ahead in sunny Cyprus I had finished the on line version whilst you were still in dreamland. 2 down was a tricky one but overall quite pleasant today. 35 degrees and rising, phew.

    ZS

    • Posted July 2, 2013 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

      Welcome to the blog Zeet Scooter

      • Zeet Scooter
        Posted July 5, 2013 at 11:53 am | Permalink

        Thanks

  15. Kath
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    I quite enjoyed this – would give it 2* for difficulty and 3* for enjoyment.
    Like others I spent far too long trying to make 4d a blue something – did wonder about the homophone bit but thought it might be the second word that was a homophone of a woman’s name – should have known better. Once you have an aloe vera plant you have it for ever – nothing kills them and they just get bigger and bigger and produce more and more – they’re not even nice!
    I’d never heard of 13d. 2d wasn’t a problem – spent many years giggling at Wogan first thing every morning (he was the only person or thing capable of giving me the giggles at that time of the day) and it was a word that he used a lot. He was also quite keen on its synonym – badinage.
    I got into a muddle with 9d – forgot about the cricket stuff, just for a change, and tried to make the boundary a rim so looked up ‘amir’ to see if it was an acronym for some alliance that I’d never heard of – it wasn’t.
    I liked 8 and 19a and 7d.
    With thanks to Mr Ron and BD.
    Chilly and raining now in Oxford.

    • crypticsue
      Posted July 2, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

      The aloe vera plant is very good for burns, and you do get rid of quite a few ‘leaves’ by using them to soothe and heal.

      • Rabbit Dave
        Posted July 2, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

        I read your comment without my glasses on and, without being able to focus clearly, typed words with the letters rn in them look suspiciously like m …

        … which links very neatly back to SheilaP’s gratuitous information about her toilet paper under comment 3! :wink:

        • crypticsue
          Posted July 2, 2013 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

          :roll:

        • gazza
          Posted July 2, 2013 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

          That reminds me of the overheard remark from an old Devonian gent ‘My missus bought one of them newfangled toilet brushes, but we couldn’t get used to it – we’ve gone back to paper.’

          • Kath
            Posted July 2, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

            And another :smile: for that too.

        • Kath
          Posted July 2, 2013 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

          :smile:

        • Heno
          Posted July 3, 2013 at 11:43 am | Permalink

          I just read Sue’s comment with my lenses in, and thought it was an m :-)

  16. BigBoab
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Gentle fun from the mystery setter and an enjoyable review fro BD, thanks to both. The toughie from Excalibur is equally gentle.

  17. Vigo
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Needed hints for 13d and had to check dictionary for 2d although I was pretty confident it must be right from wordplay had never heard the word before. Other than that it all went in a bit too quickly for me so agree with BDs star ratings. Thanks to BD for review and to the setter.

  18. Kath
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Just going to get away from what seems to be the topic of the day (loo rolls) and to do a bit of my usual completely-off-the-subject-of-the-crossword rambling.
    I am really pleased to see so much stuff in the paper at the moment about the dangers of throwing sticks for dogs. Ever since I nearly killed my sister’s dog like that – and I mean really nearly killed her – one of my missions in life has been to stop people doing it.
    Ramble now over – well, it is raining and I’ve nearly done everything that I have to do today.

    • Merusa
      Posted July 2, 2013 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

      Oh, thank you so much for that. Sadie likes nothing better than chasing after a thrown stick, but she’ll have to make do with tennis balls from here on. We use something called a chuck-it at the dog park and she likes that best!

      • Kath
        Posted July 2, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

        Really, really, really don’t do it! I thought that my sister’s dog was going to bleed to death before I could even get her to the vet. I was “looking after” her for two weeks – my sister had only gone away the day before. Mimi (another collie) spent four days at the veterinary hospital – drips, general anaesthetics, stitches, the lot. It was very scary, and so was the bill and she wasn’t even insured.

        • Merusa
          Posted July 2, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

          I have taken it to heart and I’ll spread the word … only tennis balls from now on.

          • Kath
            Posted July 2, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

            Oh good – a convert! Do please spread the word. :smile:
            I might have to write a letter to the paper in response to an article today. I’ve only ever done that once before and it was published.

  19. Sweet William
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Thank you setter. Found this difficult – and like others, new words for me at 2d and 13d. Thank you BD for review and hints. It’s grim up North !

  20. Poppy
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Well just to be different my big struggle was with 9d. Like Kath I was trying to fit words like rim or lid backwards in case there was an alliance so named… Dotty! But loved the puzzle – thank you setter. And BD I was totally entranced by Danny and the Juniors whom I had never come across before. (Mr P came to check why I was playing the same thing more than once while boogeying round the room!) So thank you for your hints and for the music. Wouldn’t it be grand if your next event was somewhere where such sounds were on the menu?

  21. Only fools
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Although in the blue corner for a while with 4d ,my only other real difficulty was two of the simpler clues ,23d and 25a which seem so obvious but were my last two in .
    Thanks to DT and the setter .

  22. Collywobbles
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Very enjoyable and satisfying and many thanks for “At the hop” which was probably my favourite hit from the 50’s after “Young love”

    • Poppy
      Posted July 2, 2013 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

      Hello CW I’m a new fan to this, and absolutely loved “At the Hop”. Don’t know “Young Love” , but wonder whether you’ve heard of a song ‘You are my first love’ (I think), which I’ve a vague memory of, and have been hunting for? Any clues gratefully received. Excuse me while I go off to bop again…. :-)

      • Posted July 2, 2013 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

        This one?

        From the Ruby whose name is now synonymous with Curry!

        • Poppy
          Posted July 2, 2013 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

          That’s the one, BD – you’re amazing!! Thank you so much. And as for Jack Scott – I’m a total convert. My only sorrow is that I didn’t know this music years ago, but definitely better late than never. Pardon me, I simply have to bop hop yet again :-D

        • Kath
          Posted July 2, 2013 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

          OK BD – you’re clearly in the mood for keeping us all happy with the music. Husband has now made it possible for me to listen to all the clips – all far too clever for me – the sound wouldn’t work. So what about finding “Young Love” for me and for Collywobs? I think it might have been by Tad Hunter but could easily be wrong – I so often am!
          It’ll make me cry – so what doesn’t? The first major love of my life was when I was seventeen – he was twenty-four. He used to sing it . . . sniff, sniff . . .

          • Posted July 2, 2013 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

            Close – it was Tab Hunter

          • Kath
            Posted July 2, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

            Thank you so much – am now in pieces and a snivelling wreck – think that husband probably wishes he’d never made the sound work!!
            I do hope that Collywobs sees and hears it.

            • Collywobbles
              Posted July 3, 2013 at 9:11 am | Permalink

              I heard it Kath, albeit a little late and it reminds me of my first love at age 15. My friends and I used to meet at a café just around the corner from my school, Rutlish, and play these tunes on the juke box. Then, we would load it up for a dozen plays with “Young Love”, which is very repetitive, and walk out leaving the old folk to listen to it

              • Collywobbles
                Posted July 3, 2013 at 9:17 am | Permalink

                Thanks for that BD. In fact, hearing it again it reminds me that I am still in touch with that first love and she and her husband visit us from time to time in the Languedoc

      • Posted July 2, 2013 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

        Not quite the same title, but this is my favourite:

        • Posted July 2, 2013 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

          … and if you like that one, this is even better::

          • Rabbit Dave
            Posted July 2, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

            Not sure that Ruby is quite to my taste, but the rest of your musical selection today BD has been excellent. Not that Ms Murray was your choice, of course.

            • Merusa
              Posted July 2, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

              She has a very pleasant voice and well suited to that genre

              • Poppy
                Posted July 2, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

                My Poppy would probably sing that to Banana Joe, given half a chance!

          • mary
            Posted July 3, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

            Love all the music today :-D

  23. Miffypops
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    I have just snuck a look at 2d. Never heard of it. Toughie time now. I expect to be beaten up again.

  24. spindrift
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Just got back from a long weekend in an isolated lodge in Yorkshire without access to the papers & no wifi so I’ve printed every crossword, quickie & codeword & am now steadily working my way through them.

    Persiflage & badinage are among my favourite words along with ptarmigan. Thanks to setter & to BD now I must crack on as Mrs S is expecting a hand in the garden. No sense of priorities that woman!

  25. Merusa
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    I loved today’s puzzle, such good clues. As above, I got stuck on a couple and had to enlist help of gizmo. A huge surprise was getting 9d, knowing very little about cricket, but I do remember my brother talking about hitting sixes. So,so long ago it could have been a different world. Thanks to BD and setter, good fun.

  26. Little Dave
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    3d is new to moi and I failed to get 4d as I was convinced it began with “blue”. Nice clue now I have see the answer. Thanks to the setter and for the interesting comments above.

  27. Alan
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    I had Bluebell(e) for 4d and was convinced it was correct, but also equally convinced Apex was correct for 18a, so was a tad confused. Thought there may even have been a mistake. Still think Blue Bell(e) fits the clue, accept that Bluebell is a flower, but aren’t all flowers plants? Understand that (a) at the beginning of the clue becomes redundant, but could argue that it was adding to surface reading.

    • Rabbit Dave
      Posted July 2, 2013 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

      It’s a very ingenious theory, Alan, but wouldn’t the answer would need to be clued as (8) and not (4,4)?

  28. 2Kiwis
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    We have marked 4d as our favourite. No significant problems and a pleasant solve.
    Thanks Mr Ron and BD.

  29. Alan
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Rabbit Dave – Yes, your quite right, sometimes I can’t see the wood for the trees (or plants in this case!)
    Alan

  30. Outnumbered
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    This was nearly a write-in for me, but also got stuck on 2d and 13d, which seemed very out of place compared to the rest of it.

  31. Kath
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Lovely comments and music on the blog today – it’s been really good fun.
    That gives me another opportunity to thank BD et al for all the help (and the general silliness) – I love it and solving crosswords was nowhere near such fun in pre-blog days. As I’m sure I’ve said before the blog has turned what can be quite a solitary pastime into something completely different. Please keep going for ever.
    :smile: to all.

    • Rabbit Dave
      Posted July 3, 2013 at 6:13 am | Permalink

      Hear, hear! :smile:

    • mary
      Posted July 3, 2013 at 11:50 am | Permalink

      Well said Kath, I know I’ve not been on as much this year but I totally agree with everything you say and thanks to Dave for the music, as to throwing sticks for dogs my other half just won’t listen even though I have shown him the newspaper article, ‘Shadow’ just loves swimming out to fetch them in the sea and isn’t interested in fetching anything else!