DT 27082

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 27082

Hints and tips by scchua

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BD Rating – Difficulty ** Enjoyment ***

Quite straightforward, but enjoyable, today. Thanks to setter. A 2.5*/3* for difficulty/enjoyment. There seems to be a glitch with 2down, which I’m trying to resolve. Please bear with me.  P.S.  It’s a technical glitch with the software, not with the blogger!  Resolved now after much trial and error – every time I typed “recent******” with a bracket in front, it would download images from the media library!  Got to ask BD why, or if any of you could advise.  Thanks.  [It seems that "recent" preceded by a square bracket is a NextGEN gallery shortcode to show recent gallery pictures.  Now fixed.  BD]

P.S. If you still find the mechanics of the hints a mystery, you should read the following, which should help in understanding.

Definitions are underlined in the clues (in blue).

Words in blue are lifted from the clues.

Italicised words are instructions for constructing the answer. Parentheses following these enclose the indicators from the clues. Eg. Reversal of ( up , in a down clue).

[xxx;yyy] denotes that a synonym for xxx or yyy is required.

{ } are used to give the order of construction. Eg. Reversal of ( up , in a down clue) AB + C is different from Reversal of ( up , in a down clue) {AB + C}.

Please leave a comment telling us what you thought. You can also add your assessment by selecting from one to five stars at the bottom of the post.

Across
1    Flier of little importance gets auxiliary burner (5,5)

{ PILOT LIGHT } : [flier, of a plane] + [of little importance;of little weight] .

6    Short with no end of water? Nonsense ! (4)

{ GUFF } : [short in manner or speech;surly] minus ( with no ) last letter of ( end of ) “water”.

Answer: Nonsensical talk.

9     Something cook may throw at people to put out (6,4)

{ POTATO PEEL } : Anagram of ( put out ) AT PEOPLE TO .

Answer: Thrown into the bin, not at people. Nice surface – was thinking of meddlers in the kitchen and pots and pans and rolling pins and maybe knives being flung about.

10    Almost consider being slim ! (4)

{ THIN } : [to consider;to contemplate] minus  its last letter ( almost ).

12    Lesson starting late means test ! (4)

{ ORAL } : [a lesson to be learnt from a fable/story/parable, etc.] minus  its initial letter ( starting late ).

Answer: A type of test in school, say.

13    Say something simple in bar that’s illegal (9)

{ SPEAKEASY } : [to say something;to use speech] + [simple;a 1* BD rating for difficulty] .

Answer: An American bar during the Prohibition era.

15     Person who might pick tight corset the Parisian wears (8)

{ SELECTOR } : Anagram of ( tight , or drunk) CORSET containing ( … wears , or puts around) a French/Parisian word for “the”.  Amusing surface.

 

16     Flier needing good cover with soldiers returning (6)

{ GLIDER } : Abbrev. for “good” + [a cover, say, for a pot or container] plus ( with ) reversal of ( returning ) [the engineer-soldiers of the British Army] .

Answer: Not the person this time but the contraption.

18    Devil’s music causing damage (6)

{ IMPAIR } : [a devil;a mischievious person, usually a child] + [a piece of music;a tune, sometimes played on a G-string] .

20     Objections from experts covering trial (8)

{ PROTESTS } : [short for experts;far from amateurs;also before the euphemistic sex workers] containing ( covering ) [a trial;a taste of the real thing] .

23    One property accepting National Trust is not willing (9)


{ INTESTATE } : Roman numeral for “one” + [a property; a large
piece of land and building on it, say] containing ( accepting ) abbrev. for the National Trust.

Answer: Not leaving a last will and testament. Nice surface of impoverished owners of stately homes unwillingly, but necessarily, accepting a National Trust takeover.

24     Scruff ‘s parrot attached to pole (4)

{ NAPE } : [to parrot;to copy meaninglessly] placed after ( attached to , in an across clue) abbrev. for one of the geographical poles.

Answer: Part of the neck.

26    A ruler, not good but of a similar nature (4)

{ AKIN } : A + [a ruler;a male monarch] minus ( not ) abbrev. for “good”.

27    Destroy her last ten hives ! (6,4)

{ NETTLE RASH } : Anagram of ( destroy ) HER LAST TEN .

Answer: A skin condition from stinging plants.

28    Sources of energy drink get youth nervous (4)

{ EDGY } : Initial letters of the respective words of ( sources of ) ” energy drink get youth “.

29    Got up after reporting to Roger (10)

{ UNDERSTOOD } : [got up from a sitting position] placed after ( after ) [adjective for reporting to someone higher up in the organization] .

Answer: As used in radio communications in the old days. Got held up a bit as the answer also means “got”.

Down
1     Just beats  seeds (4)

{ PIPS } : Double defn: 1st: Wins by a narrow margin; and 2nd: Small seeds in some fruits.

 

2     Side ‘s recent rule regularly ignored outside area (7)

{ LATERAL }   :  [in the near past;recent]  + ”rule”  minus its 2nd and 4th letters ( regularly ignored ) containing ( outside ) abbrev. for “area”.

Answer: A side part of something, as opposed to the central.

3     One of the effects of sunblock (5,7)

{ TOTAL ECLIPSE } : Cryptic defn: The effect of our star being blocked by the moon, as seen from our planet.

4    Holy man in claim of poverty is a fraud (8)

{ IMPOSTOR } : [abbrev. for a holy man;one who's been canonized] contained in ( in ) what a person might claim;say, if he/she is truly or pretending to be in poverty.

5    Swivelled round, missing wife, and followed like a good dog (6)

{ HEELED } : [swivelled round;turned on an axis, eg. one's heel] minus ( missing ) abbrev. for “wife”.

Answer: Followed;trailed like a good;well-trained dog, on command.

7    A French boss covering the centre of Paris is not listened to (7)

{ UNHEARD } : A French word for “a” + [the boss;the person at the top] containing ( covering ) the middle letter of ( the centre of ) “Paris”.

8    Imagine pressure with no universal costume (5,5)

{ FANCY DRESS } : [to imagine;to suppose] + [pressure;that under which you're forced to do something] minus ( with no ) abbrev. for “universal” as in the British movie rating system.

 

11    Bare minimum of crucial seconds needed for openers ? (8,4)

{ SKELETON KEYS } : [bare minimum;skin and bones] + [crucial;adjective for something on which other things depend] + abbrev. for “seconds” when denoting time.

14     Take in meal as it is prepared (10)

{ ASSIMILATED } : Anagram of ( prepared ) MEAL AS IT IS .

17    Bizarre steelworker holds prisoner in the USA (8)

{ ARRESTEE } : Hidden in ( holds ) ” Bizarre steelworker “.

Answer: An Americanism for a prisoner, or at least a first step towards being one. Applying the same process, in Britain, it would be a “collaree”.

19     Placing  action on the green (7)

{ PUTTING } : Double defn: 1st: Placing something on; and 2nd: What takes place on one of the greens on the golf course.

21    Managed, after concession on orchestra’s lead singer (7)

{ SOPRANO } : [managed;controlled] placed after ( after ) [a concession;a bribe;a consolation to someone to appease him/her when the latter's demands are not fully met] placed above ( on , in a down clue) the first letter ( …’s lead ) of “orchestra”.

 

22     Material may have bearing on a juvenile (6)

{ SATEEN } : [abbrev. for one of the four main compass points;bearing] placed above ( on , in a down clue) A + [short for a juvenile between 13 and 19 years old] .

Answer: Can be confused with satin, which is made of fabric such as silk or rayon.

25     Slough is building for storage (4)

{ SHED } : Double defn: 1st: As in “to slough off dead skin”.


The Quick crossword pun: { hearty } + { fish ] + { early } = { artificially }

80 Comments

  1. jezza
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    All solved in 1* time, apart from 22d, which I stared at blankly for quite a while. Many thanks to Jay, and to scchua.
    2.5*/3* for me.

  2. Poppy
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Had the luxury of looking at this first thing. Thought I was sailing through & then got completely bogged down in NW corner! But enjoyed it very much. 2/4 for me. Many thanks to setter & Scchua. Hope those in our colder climes are keeping warm and well…. :-)

  3. Only fools
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Very agreeable puzzle from start to finish .
    1.5 * / 3.5 * for me .
    Thanks again .

  4. Chris
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Thrown off track for a little while by initially putting solar eclipse in for 3D and gander for 16A, but finished in the end without needing hints, though I did need your explanation for 22D, Scchua, so many thanks to you and to the compiler for an enjoyable start to the day.

    I’ve been following the UK weather via the Telegraph. Stay safe and warm, all! It’s beginning to get very cold here in Southern Maryland, but luckily no snow yet this winter.

  5. Brenda Reding
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Nice puzzle, no problems. Favourite 24A , liked quite a lot now I come to assess it, too many to list. Thanks to setter and Scchua.

  6. Kath
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Lovely puzzle. 2*/4* from me.
    I interpreted 2d as ‘late’ (recent) with ‘R’ and ‘L’ from ‘rule’ without the second and last letters (regularly ignored) outside ‘a’ for area.
    I loved 6a – one of my Dad’s expressions, along with poppycock, balderdash and twaddle!
    I got a bit held up by 13 and 29a and 11 and 17d.
    Far too many good clues to pick out any in particular.
    With thanks to Jay and scchua.

    • Only fools
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 11:28 am | Permalink

      Ditto 2d

    • skempie
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 11:44 am | Permalink

      Agreed re 2D. Still unsure about 6A though (see below)

      • Only fools
        Posted January 23, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

        2d hint has been amended .re 6a I don ‘t think many compilers es Roger’s Profanisaurus and yes it is still published .
        Cheers.

  7. crypticsue
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    2*/3* for me. Agree with Kath’s explanation for 2d. Thanks to Jay and scchua.

    The Shamus toughie won’t take you long especially as he isn’t so verbose today so you don’t need a lie down after reading each clue.

    Once you have done that, have a go at Paul in the Guardian and you wil see what BD was on about in the intro to his Toughie blog yesterday. Not Paul’s toughest either but some great clues.

    Very cold here today – apparently the Midlands are likely to go down to -16 tomorrow night. Hope that doesn’t apply to East Kent too.

    • Steve_the_beard
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

      Blimey, you must be mending quickly :-)

    • Kath
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

      Glad to hear that you’re still improving. What about Number two son – hope he is too.
      Very cold in Oxford too – and been snowing all morning.
      In view of the weather I might have a go at the toughie a bit later ie after second arctic dog walk. :sad:

      • crypticsue
        Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

        No 2 son doing OK too thank you. Stitches out on Tuesday. Still working on chocolate being the cure! My friend offered me the opportunity to join her on an arctic dog walk but I declined!

    • jezza
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

      Paul in the Guardian – ‘behind shower’… raised a chuckle! :)

      • andy
        Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

        I nearly covered my keyboard in coffee!!!

  8. Roger
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Quite straightforward !! Straightforward, he says ? After a good run, I ground to a miserable halt today with 14 done and nary a clue as to the rest. Just not on the same wavelength as this setter.

    • crypticsue
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 11:34 am | Permalink

      But I bet if you put it down for an hour, do something else, and return, you will find that you may be able to solve quite a few more. It is very strange but there is part of your brain that carries on working out cryptic clues even while the rest of it is concentrating on something else. It is what I call ‘cogitation’.

      • bifield
        Posted January 23, 2013 at 11:44 am | Permalink

        That definitely works for me .

      • Poppy
        Posted January 23, 2013 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

        I’ve found that as well, CS, & have wondered how that happens! Hope you’re continuing well – it must be very frustrating having such an active brain, but limited in sight. Best wishes for a speedy return to firing on all cylinders. I always enjoy your input, thanks.

        • crypticsue
          Posted January 23, 2013 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

          Thank you Poppy. My right eye is working exceedingly well fortunately so I am able to solve puzzles and read books etc. Apparently in a couple of weeks the air bubble should be go down enough for me to be able to see well enough to both drive :) and return to work :( .

  9. Sweet William
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Struggled with this – completed with the exception of NW corner and to complicate matters had “solar eclipse” at 3d. so needed your hints to decode – many thanks Scchua and thanks to Jay for the protracted “fun” !

  10. skempie
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Took me a bit longer than usual, but that may be because I was distracted by Mr Root tonking the Indians around the park.

    Only two really caused me any problem, 2D (figured out the answer but couldn’t really see how I could justify it) and 17D (just couldn’t see it for ages, then figured that it related to the person doing the arresting rather than the one arrested D’Oh).
    I was a bit concerned about 6A, when I was at school, this was a slang word for something that comes out the other end to where one would expect nonsense to come out. I think Viz use it in that respect too (is Viz still published?)

    • Kevmcc
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

      17d was my last one it, I didn’t see the hidden word. But surely it means the arrested one, or it would be arrester? The ‘holds’ refers to the hidden word, doesn’t it?

      PS I was also distracted by the cricket (on TMS), but when I find that is grinding my crossie answers to a halt I go outside for a ciggie with no distractions, no pen, and it’s amazing how many I get like that. Obviously it helps if you smoke, not that I’m encouraging such a vile and unhealthy habit…

      • skempie
        Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

        Re:17D It certainly would be arrester – as I said I was somewhat distracted and it was a definite D’Oh moment.

      • Kath
        Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

        I agree with everything you say, apart from the cricket! :smile:

    • Merusa
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

      17d was a toughie, not a word I’ve heard and I’ve lived here for 35 years. I dare say it’s used somewhere as it appears to be a word.

  11. Beaver
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Like Skempie, solved it while watching the cricket, at least we managed a passable score,Mr Root continues to impress.Agree with a**/***, and found it most enjoyable,thanks Scchua for the entertaining pics,opera will never be the same again! Liked the deception in 9a,wanted to put ‘pies’ in for the second word

  12. Brian
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Nice 2* puzzle today, took a while to get into to it but cane together nicely.
    Thx to the setter and for once I didn’t need to grapple with Sccha cryptic clues

    • Brian
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

      Just one thing, what is the abbreviation for wife in ‘heeled’ in 5d?

      • Steve_the_beard
        Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

        It isn’t IN, it’s taken OUT… see my next comment…

      • jezza
        Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

        Swivelled round is ‘wheeled’, and missing wife is (W)heeled.

      • Amanda
        Posted January 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

        W (at the beginning).

  13. Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Long stint in the dentist chair again for me did not help today. NW corner took ages because for some reason I had put Solar for the first part of 3 d. At least I’m getting some feeling back in my mouth..

  14. Steve_the_beard
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    scchua, I must comment on some of your hints…

    5D Take a word meaning “Swivelled round” and then remove the leading W (missing wife) to get a word meaning “followed like a good dog”.

    24A It’s part of the neck, not head.

    2D It is the second and fourth letters which are removed from “rule”.

    Sorry to be picky, and I must say that the piccies are improving :-)

    Thanks to scchua and Jay :-)

    • scchua
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

      Thanks Steve_the_beard, and apologies to all. Again failed on my proofreading!
      I was thinking of “off with his head!” to be cut off at the neck, but no matter. Now corrected.

  15. Steve_the_beard
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Re 21D – who is the “sexy soprano on sofa”?

    I tried a Google search using that phrase and what I found wasn’t quite what I was looking for…

    • scchua
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

      That was my little joke. She’s not a soprano, she’s a Soprano, and neither is the man a male soprano.

      • Posted January 23, 2013 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

        Meadow and her father Tony Soprano!

  16. lostboy
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Nicely straightforward, enjoted this.

    Apart from 12a and 6a, which are two examples of my least favourite type of clue.
    I actually wrote “SNOW” in for 6a, which slowed me down a bit. (“S” for Short “no” for, er, no, and “W” for (front) end of water, meaning nonsense in a “snow job” way. Sort of.)

    Ah well, at least there’s a Toughie today.

  17. Heno
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to Jay & scchua. Found this very difficult and was taken beaten by 6a, Favourites were & 9a 17d. Was 3*/3* for me

  18. Bob
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    At least 3 * for me for difficulty. and a 3 questionmark puzzle. Finished apart from 17d
    12a Failed to see Moral and was looking for the meaning of ORA folowed by “L”ate.
    29a OK “Got” is understood, “Roger” is understood, “Got up” is stood, I’m afraid the “Under” did not compute with me.
    17D I looked for a word in the first two words at first. Having not spotted one my concentration lapsed. In the end I didnt get the clue. Perhaps I was put off by the “prisoner in the USA”. I find the word “arrestee” acceptable if not a bit clumsy. I would have thought that the setter would have used a proper Americanism like “Trunk, Sidewalk, or Hood etc” for “in the USA” pointer but thats just me.
    Perhaps the one star solvers should do another crossword and leave this one alone as its obviously too easy for them.
    Thanks to all

    • Steve_the_beard
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

      Wouldn’t it be boring if we were all the same :-)

      I think you’ll find that most folks here vary quite a bit, sometimes finding a crossword much easier than everyone else, and sometimes quite the opposite.

      Don’t be put off by people grading it much easier than you, it’ll be your turn soon.

    • Kath
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

      We’re all different and how easy, or otherwise, we find a particular puzzle depends on lots of things, not just the puzzle – I think general mood and whether or not we’re on the right wave length makes more difference than anything else – well, it does for me anyway.

  19. Colmce
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    Another fun puzzle, lots of variety and clever wordplay, completed all bar 17d which completely foxed me, put it down for half an hour and on revisit it just leapt out at me.
    See CS’s remarks on the cogitator.

    Thanks to Scchua for review.

    Thanks to Jay for the puzzle.

  20. pommers
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    I’ll have a go at this one later on over a pre-prandial. Been at the hospital this morning and sort of got a clean bill of health!!

    I can go ahead and lead a “normal” life (which will be a big change for me!) but I have to take it easy for another week or so before I can get my bike out and get some exercise! However, there is considerable lung damage which may or may not repair itself over time. Pretty drastic way of giving up the weed IMHO :grin:

    Thanks again for all your concern over the last couple of weeks, it certainly helped at times.

    Glad to hear CS seems to be well on the mend as well :smile:

    • Steve_the_beard
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

      Far be it from me to advocate moderation… but do take it nice and easy at first, eh?

    • mary
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

      Hi pommers, I’ve not done this yet, been at my cardio rehab again today, it’s really snowing again and sticking too! Glad you got the ‘sort of’ all clear, thank goodness for that :-) right off to start the crossword now

      • Poppy
        Posted January 23, 2013 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

        Hello Mary – do hope your journeys to the rehab classes are not too fraught. And hopefully a solution is on its way re your dishwasher. Between your eight & my four paws there’s plenty of help offering! :-D

        • mary
          Posted January 23, 2013 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

          Dishwasher man braved the elements Poppy but has to come back next week with new motor!

    • crypticsue
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

      That’s good news – especially that you have to give up the weed! Always surprises me how many crosswordy people smoke – one of the S&B meets, I actually thought of going outside to join them as it was lonely inside on my own.

      Hope your recovery continues as well as mine seems to be doing. Suexx

      • Kath
        Posted January 23, 2013 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

        I think it has a lot to do with whether or not you’re the kind of person who gets addicted to things easily. Unfortunately I’m one who does. :sad:

        • crypticsue
          Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

          My addiction is crosswords which is probably a much healthier option.

        • una
          Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

          I share the same two addictions.

      • andy
        Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

        I’ll be joining you inside Sue , gave up New Years Day and so far so good.

        • Kath
          Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

          My Dad used to say “Giving up smoking is easy – I’ve done it hundreds of times”!
          Seriously – well done! I’m REALLY impressed. :smile:

          • andy
            Posted January 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

            Getting there, and it isn’t easy at all , though the saved money placed in a jar each day does kind of help with the process!!

            • Kath
              Posted January 23, 2013 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

              Dad was implying that he did it numerous times and went back to it, so hadn’t really given up at all!

    • Kath
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

      Glad to hear all that. My grandmother would have said “Don’t try to run before you can walk” – just another way of putting what I’ve been saying to you for a while! :smile:

    • Poppy
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

      Pommers -So glad to read you’re on the mend, & hopefully with prescribed rest and permitted fun, your lungs will repair well! Very best ongoing wishes to you & Pommette :-)

    • Heno
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

      Glad to hear that you are on the road to recovery. I used to smoke, but never missed it when I gave up. Think of it as a positive change, I’m sure your food and drink will have more flavour :-)

  21. Miffypops
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Nice crossword today. I found it a bit of a challenge put persevered. looking forward to tomorrows offering.

  22. Merusa
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    I had a hard time getting into this puzzle, until I got to the bottom and managed a few words, then that got me going. Had to get the hint to understand 12a. Thanks to all for enjoyable start to the day.

  23. Carty
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    I must not be myself today. I struggled with the puzzle and not having visited this site for a while I struggled with the new layout for the explanations. It was akin to reading a technical manual and I suppose that technical manuals are not my mood today. Thanks as alway for the assistance. I’m off to lie down in a darkened room.

    • Kath
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

      The different layout for the hints is only on Wednesdays. The other days in the week it’s the same as it always was. I think lots of people found it a bit of a surprise to begin with. If you read scchua’s explanation right at the top he explains how to use his hints.

  24. Aristotle
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    A proper crossword in my opinion. Straightforward
    answers from clever clues and no ‘general knowledge’ required.

  25. una
    Posted January 23, 2013 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Definitely not on the setters wavelength today. Far too many doh! moments.I thought it much harder than yesterday. Favourites were 1d,11d,18a. Funny how 25d cropped up twice in a row.

    • una
      Posted January 23, 2013 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

      Thanks to sschua and Jay. On page 5 of the DT I found an explanation why I always find Jay so difficult ! Women are at their lowest ebb on Wednesday afternoon, appearantly.

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