DT 27070

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 27070

Hints and tips by scchua

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BD Rating – Difficulty **Enjoyment ***

An easy one today, a 2-2.5*/3* for difficulty/enjoyment. Thanks to setter.

P.S.  If you still find the mechanics of the hints a mystery, you should read the following, which should help in understanding.

Definitions are underlined in the clues (in blue).

Words in blue are lifted from the clues.

Italicised words are instructions for constructing the answer.  Parentheses following these enclose the indicators from the clues.  Eg.  Reversal of(up, in a down clue).

[xxx;yyy] denotes that a synonym for xxx and/or yyy is required.

{ } are used to give the order of construction.  Eg. Reversal of(up, in a down clue) AB + C is different from Reversal of(up, in a down clue) {AB + C}.

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Across
1    Perseverance in row as Egypt undergoes change (7,5)

{STAYING POWER} : Anagram of(undergoes change) IN ROW AS EGYPT.

Answer: What you have or need in order to persevere; stamina.

9    Limited period for structure after backing issue (9)

{TIMEFRAME} : [structure, eg. for a climbing plant] placed after(after) reversal of(backing) [to issue;to give out, say, light rays].

10    King George takes no part in struggle for fruit (5)

{APPLE} : [to struggle;to wrestle with] minus(… takes no part in) [initials for George Rex;King George].

11    Stand close, anticipating river (6)

{ENDURE} : [close;finish] placed before(anticipating) a river in North Yorkshire, England.

Answer: To bear with.

12    Go away and sell tickets for fight to the death (5-3)

{SHOOT-OUT} : [go away!;shove off!] plus(and) [sell tickets;also a noun for a solicitor, not the legal sort].

Answer: Nowadays more to settle a drawn competition and not to death literally – though it might seem so to some football managers – ask Arsene Wenger.

13    Obstruction in the way of listener (6)

{EARWAX} : Cryptic defn: An interference to be found in your hearing organ;listener.

15    Renovation of key service elevator? (8)

{FACELIFT} : One of the keys in the diatonic musical scale + a winning service in tennis, the ball untouched by the receiver + the English version of the Americanism “elevator”.

Answer: Applicable to the façade of a building, though often referring to that of humans.

18    Total staff for chap taking weekly payments (8)

{TALLYMAN} : [to total;to count] + [to staff;to provide with workers].

Answer: Last one in for me – it’s dialectical, and probably an obsolete occupation – a travelling sales rep who collects weekly (possibly) payments for goods she/he’s sold on the never-never.

19    Casts off, carrying king in rags … (6)

{SHREDS} : [casts off;strips off, say, clothes or skin] containing(carrying) abbrev. for the Latin for king.

21    … not to mention being terribly late and solitary (3,5)

{LET ALONE} : Anagram of(terribly) LATE plus(and) [solitary;descriptive of a thing/person that’s by itself – remember the one whose partner was Tonto? Come to think of it, he’s got a misnomer – and then there’s his horse too].

23    Give one million — and some (6)

{IMPART} : Roman numeral for “one” + the non-Roman symbol for “million” plus(and) [some;not the whole thing].

Answer: To give, especially an abstract quality, eg. knowledge, meaning.

26    Star working villages without delay (5)

{ELVIS} : Anagram of(working) VILES{“villages” minus(without) [delay;a lapse of time, eg between seeing lightning and hearing thunder]}.

Answer: Take your pick (it will probably depend on which generation you belong to, but only one is The King):

 

27    Investor calls for entertainment venues in Spain (9)

{BULLRINGS} : A type of investor in the stock market, opposed to a bear + calls on the phone.

Answer: It might be entertainment for some, but to me it’s a bloody thing.

28    Allergy developed by force in designated area of Parliament (5,7)

{PRESS GALLERY} : Anagram of(developed) ALLERGY placed after(by, in an across clue) [to force;to push into or on].

Down
1    Drunk present? That’ll teach you! (2,5)

{SO THERE} : [a drunk;one stupefied by drink] + [to indicate presence during a roll call].

Answer: An expression usually used by children at the end of a statement to indicate defiance or refusal eg. “I’m not eating that, so there!” I’m not sure how synonymous that is with the definition, which is more an admonition to be more careful and to learn from your mistakes in future.

2    A communist protects last of them with weapons (5)

{ARMED} : A + [descriptive of a communist;what you might call a communist, as opposed to “pink” for one with communist leanings] containing(protects) last letter of “them”.

3    Hospital and home unshakeable on a case of remedy (9)

{INFIRMARY} : [at home;not out] + [unshakeable;steadily fixed] placed above(on, in a down clue) the first and last letters of(case of) “remedy”.

4    Happy, having gone without one young man! (4)

{GLAD} : “gone” minus(without) “one” + [young man;youth].

5    Manage to catch some cricket and try (8)

{OVERHEAR} : [some cricket;a part of a cricket match, during which balls are bowled from the same end of the pitch] plus(and) [to try, as the law court will].

6    Spot a reporter holding up source of inspiration (5)

{ERATO} : Hidden in(holding) and reversal of(up, in a down clue) “spot a reporter “.

Answer: The mythical muse of lyric poetry and hymns.

7    Portugal involved in distribution of opiates — how suitable! (8)

{APPOSITE} : Abbrev. for “Portugal” contained in(involved in) anagram of(distribution of) “opiates “.

Answer: As opposed to, well, opposed to.

8    Go and live with a fool without women (4,2)

{BEAT IT} : [live;exist as Hamlet once questioned himself] plus(with) A + [a fool] minus(without) abbrev. for “women”.

Answer: Similar to the first part of 12 across, as sung by him:

14    Family member engineers crucial uprising with energy (8)

{RELATIVE} : abbrev. for the engineering branch of the British army + reversal of(uprising, in a down clue) [crucial;necessary for existence] plus(with) abbrev. for “energy”, as in physics.

16    Passing macho types mainly accepted by pearl divers (9)

{EPHEMERAL} : [macho types;strongmen] minus its last letter(mainly) contained in(accepted by) anagram of(divers, alternative to diverse) PEARL.  Nicely misdirecting phrase.

Answer: Very temporary.

17    Declines to accept arrest of aspirants (8)

{WANNABES} : [declines;reduces, as with the moon] containing(to accept) [to arrest;to catch].

Answer: Those aspiring to emulate their idols.

18    Rang out, being instructed in broadcast (6)

{TOLLED} : Homophone of(in broadcast) [given instructions in no uncertain terms].

20    Doubtful if stays are enough (7)

{SATISFY} : Anagram of(doubtful) IF STAYS.

22    Light source of labour when editor evacuated (5)

{LASER} : Abbrev. for “labour”, as in politics + [when, usually in conjunction] + first and last letters of(… evacuated) “editor”.

24    A couple of names — that is another one (5)

{ANNIE} : A + abbrev. for “name” x 2(couple of) + abbrev. for “that is” from the Latin “id est”.

Defn: Another name.

25    Journal left in loo? (4)

{BLOG} : Abbrev. for “left” contained in(in) [loo;toilet, in slang].

Answer: An electronic journal.


The Quick crossword pun: {awes] + {tray} + {leer} = {Australia}


86 Comments

  1. 2Kiwis
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 4:46 am | Permalink

    A most enjoyable offering that went in smoothly without too many hitches. Favourite was 17d but lots of good clues to pick from.
    Thanks Jay and Scchua.

  2. pommers
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Think the cryptic cells are firing on all cylinders again! Nice to get a Jay puzzle which I could polish off in low end of 2* time – without the NE corner it might have been only 1* :grin: No real favourites but 3d seemed quite 7d considering my situation :lol:

    Muchas gracias to Jay and scchua.

    Now I’ve just got to persuade the Docs that it’s time to go home!

    • spindrift
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

      Now remember that you are still in your recuperation period therefore it is incumbent on Pommette to address your every need – from ensuring that there is a ready pile of crosswords for you to solve to having the Rioja at just the right temperature. And of course the remote must be at hand at all times. Good luck in that Pommmers!

  3. crypticsue
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Definitely 3* difficulty for me but as enjoyable as usual for a Jay. Thanks to him and scchua as usual.

    The Giovanni Toughie didn’t take me much longer but has a number of words you either know or you don’t, although the wordplay is clear in all cases.

  4. jezza
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    There were a few in this one that made me smile. A most pleasant start to the morning; 2*/4* for me.
    Thanks to Jay, and to scchua.

  5. Brian
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Found it even more difficult than yesterday’s and boy that was tough enough. Can’t help feeling the Toughies are leaking on to the back page again. Don’t get 6d at all, what he hell is an Erato? Did like 26a though, very clever. Far too tough for me I’m afraid so very little fun.

    • crypticsue
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 10:10 am | Permalink

      She, Erato, was one of the Muses. She comes up in crosswords a lot so I am surprised you haven’t heard of her and her fellow Muses before.

      • SheilaP
        Posted January 9, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

        Good luck for your eye op. Bet you’ll miss Brian whilst you’re away. I look forward to his blog every day because he’s so grumpy he makes me laugh. He just says it like it is.

    • Poppy
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

      I was so glad you wrote that because I struggled with this one even more than yesterday’s – don’t know why when most others seem to have sailed through it. So I send especial thanks to Scchua for much needed help and, of course, a courteous wave to the setter… Didn’t realise how much slang is now de rigeur – the Spice Girls have a lot to answer for (17d). Do hope tomorrow’s fare is more enjoyable. A 4/2 for me, but I think my brain needs an overhaul…

  6. Only fools
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Did not find it as easy as the recovering invalid but strangely had no real problem with NE corner .Still smiling about 13a and a number of others .Great fun after yesterday .
    3* / 4* for me .
    Thanks again

  7. crypticsue
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Just to let everyone know that I won’t be around to comment for about ten days (although, by the wonders of technology, you will see two of my reviews) as I am about to set off for eye surgery, after which I am not allowed to read (or do anything much at all really) for five to seven days – not sure how I am going to cope without crosswords :( I haven’t got a ‘Pommette’ to give daily updates but Gnomey will be ringing me at the weekend and will report back to you via the blog in due course.

    • jezza
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 10:42 am | Permalink

      Good luck – hope the surgery goes well! See you back here soon.

    • spindrift
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 10:50 am | Permalink

      Best wishes CS and make a speedy recovery.

      • Sweet William
        Posted January 9, 2013 at 11:26 am | Permalink

        Best wishes CS.

        • Hrothgar
          Posted January 9, 2013 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

          Best Wishes, crypticsue :)

    • scchua
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 11:19 am | Permalink

      All the best for a successful surgery and a speedy recovery, CS.

    • Dickiedot
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 11:20 am | Permalink

      I hope all goes well, remember no lifting, carrying bending over etc :-)

      • Only fools
        Posted January 9, 2013 at 11:34 am | Permalink

        You’ve got grown men crying again ! Take care and good luck .

    • skempie
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 11:32 am | Permalink

      Hope everything goes OK CS – my wife had eye surgery last year (two replacement lenses to correct astigmatism and remove cataracts). Didn’t take too long to get over and her life has been transformed. Just remember to use the drops correctly and as Dickiedot says, no bending of lifting.

    • andy
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 11:34 am | Permalink

      All the best from from me too CS

    • Peter
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

      And from me

    • Colmce
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

      Best wishe Sue, hope all goes well.

    • Catherine
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

      Good luck with your surgery Sue!

    • pommers
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

      Sympathies Sue! Best wishes for a successful outcome.

    • Big Boab
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

      Best wishes for the op Sue.

    • Steve_the_beard
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

      It’s jolly well organised of you and pommers, to try to make sure that we need only worry about one person at a time :-)

      My best wishes to you, dear lady.

    • Kath
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

      Good luck Sue – I agree with Steve_the_beard – it’s a really good thing that we still only have one person to worry about now that pommers is better.

    • Heno
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

      Good luck Sue, hope all goes well.

    • Jay
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

      You’ll be amazed at the result Sue – my 91 year-old mother had both eyes done a couple of months ago, and has gone from virtually blind to reading without glasses!

    • Poppy
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

      Special thoughts for speedy arrival at 20/20 vision. Judging by the comments there will be lots of us sending supportive airwaves to you. It seems a very long time to cope without written material. Has the DT ever thought of a speech-enabled version of their crosswords, I wonder?

      • Posted January 9, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

        Eric Westbrook approached the Telegraph some time ago for permission/assistance in transferring their crosswords to a format suitable for solving by the blind, but when I last spoke to him he was still waiting.

        http://www.calendarpuzzles.co.uk/spoonbill.html

        • Franco
          Posted January 9, 2013 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

          I have always wondered about the Guardian’s “Blind & PS Version”?

          How does that work?

    • Posted January 9, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

      (((( Big Hugs )))) Sue – hope everything goes well.

    • lizwhiz1
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

      Wish you SO much luck- all a bit scary!! Hope you have some help at home even if, like me, there is no ‘pomette’
      BIG hug :)

    • Brian
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

      Good luck, hope all goes well, I will miss our soarring

    • 2Kiwis
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

      Best wishes Sue. We too will be thinking of you.

    • Merusa
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

      It sounds much scarier than it actually is. I had both eyes done some years ago and, funnily enough, the only restriction I had was to wear a plastic thingy over my eye. I went from being nearly blind and being threatened to have my driver’s licence pulled, to only wearing distance glasses to tweak my vision while driving. Good luck.

    • una
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

      Hope we will see you soon, and visa versa

    • mary
      Posted January 10, 2013 at 9:40 am | Permalink

      Belated god luck wishes sue, it’s a shame there aren’t any ‘talking crosswords’ like talking books!

  8. Posted January 9, 2013 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    I thought this was much easier than yesterday’s offering which I did not finish until this morning (due to work followed by a visit the local). I tend to agree with ** and ***. Last in was 6 d. I genuinely got 8 d and thought it rather vulgar until I realised where the ‘without women’ bit came in to play. Anyone else with a mind like mine?
    Regds to all

    • Steve_the_beard
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

      Yes :-)

    • Kath
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

      No – don’t understand! I do hope that this isn’t going to be yet ANOTHER of those things that I really wished I hadn’t asked!!

      • Kath
        Posted January 9, 2013 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

        Forget that – have just got there! :smile:

    • Heno
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

      Yes, I thought it was a bit vulgar too. Didn’t even think of twit, until I read the explanation :-)

  9. skempie
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Another enjoyable puzzle. As is normal with a Jay offering, I only managed to have 3 answers after my first pass of the across clues, but once the downs started falling into place, the rest of the acrosses soon followed.

    Particularly enjoyed 17D and 25D (took me back to my school days).

    Must also say that I really enjoyed the quickie – took a while to do this morning but it gave me a wonderful sense of fulfilment when finished (the pun’s good too).

    Back pagers on the back page for three days running! Perhaps the Daily Telegraph have finally realised where the crosswords belong.

  10. Sweet William
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Thank you Jay and Scchua for your review. Found this difficult again. Almost gave up and went to hints but then I suddenly got 1a and 1d which helped a bit !

    Yes Nigel B, I did wonder about 8d even ” Go and live with a bird ” !

  11. Patsy Ann
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Challenging – at least 3 star for me, but very satisfying when completed. Didn’t much like ‘doubtful’ as an anagram indicator.

    17d was last one in. Some strange words are getting into the dictionary in recent times!

  12. Beaver
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Gentle offering, agree with **/***, not like yesterdays puzzle-even the quickie took ages!,got to work on time for a change,liked 16d,and 8a-thanks Scchua for the blog,recognise the video,Michael at his peak around the ‘Thriller-Smooth Criminal time-saw him at Aintree with No 1 son-i digress.Oh, i did think like NIGEL BAKER, and thought the’W’ somewhat extraneous!

  13. Colmce
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Found this one really difficult, but on reading review, I shouldn’t have.

    Thanks for review Scchua.

    Thanks to Jay.

  14. Catherine
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Enjoyed the puzzle but got totally hung up in the NE corner. Needed the hints to get 5d and 12a and to explain 15a which I had but didn’t quite get the wordplay. I should have got 12a as we have them in hockey(ice of course)!
    Thanks to scchua and the setter.

  15. Big Boab
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to Jay and to scchua for a very enjoyable crossword and review.

  16. pommers
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Well, I’m wriring this post in the lounge at home!!!!!!! :grin: :grin: Can’t tell you how good it feels but I haven’t been more than 3ft from my bed for 10 days so it’s nice to have a change of scene if nothing else! Can’t thank you all enough for you kind comments and concern about me – certainly bucked me up in the darker moments.

    Kath – you’ll be pleased to hear I’m under very strict instructions from the Doc to do absolutely NADA for 2 weeks- then go back to see him before he’ll give me the all clear (I think he would have preferred to keep me in for the 2 weeks but I guess that’sa bit expensive!) Anyway, Nada it is – apart from crosswords of course.

    I think time to forget about me and pass your sympathies over to crypticsue – the mere thought of eye surgery gives me the heeby-jeebies!

    • Steve_the_beard
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

      Welcome back :-)

    • Kath
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

      Welcome back – so glad you’re home. I’m also glad that the doctors say that you shouldn’t be doing anything much. I TOLD you that, for once, I know what I’m talking about – if they hadn’t agreed it would have put paid to my ‘street cred’ once and for all!!

      • pommers
        Posted January 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

        Never doubted you Kath but Doc Antonio (first name terms now!) sounds a lot sterner than you! He did amplify what nada means – apparantly I can lie in bed or sit/lie on the sofa and watch telly – otherwise NADA! Sounds OK to me

        • Posted January 9, 2013 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

          He’s already managed to escape to the bar for a coffee though!!!

          • Kath
            Posted January 9, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

            It sounds as if a collar and lead is needed, with the threat of a strait jacket being added if necessary!
            Seriously, I’m really glad that he’s better. :smile:

        • Kath
          Posted January 9, 2013 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

          You have NO idea just how stern I can be if pushed!! :smile:

          • pommers
            Posted January 9, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

            Ward Sister – stern? How does that work?

            • Kath
              Posted January 9, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

              You clearly also have no idea JUST how fierce it could be necessary to be to survive as a youngish Ward Sister in the late 70’s in a teaching hospital, especially on a men’s medical ward! I imagine that you don’t have any stitches which is just as well as I could tell you some stories that would make you laugh SO much that, if you DID have stitches, they would pop, and then I’d be in real trouble!!
              Seriously, just take everything really slowly and carry on getting better. :smile: to you and pommette.

    • Heno
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

      Glad you back Pommers, Nadat your’re back, make sure its nada :-)

    • Poppy
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

      Hurrah you’re home. Great news.

    • gnomethang
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

      Yay! – Glad to hear it pommers!.
      I’ll be passing on the CS situation via this blog after a call at the weekend.

    • mary
      Posted January 10, 2013 at 9:43 am | Permalink

      Welcome home pommers, sorry I missed you yesterday was at the hospital having a cardiac assessment so hopefully I can start my rehab programme soon, do as you’re told and I’m sure you’ll be back to full speed soon :-)

  17. Ian
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    17d foxed me. My Chambers app offered only ‘cannabis’ to fit the checking letters so I was thinking canna, as in a scotsman’s refusal but couldn’t work out the rest and then saw nab but couldn’t see where canis fitted in – so gave up and resorted to blog. Must invest in BRB!

  18. neveracrossword
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    With the application of 1 across I finished this one in a reasonable 9 across – unlike yesterday’s, which failed to 20 down.

  19. eXternal
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    A nice puzzle with a couple of toughies in the SE corner which held me up

  20. Kath
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    I always like Wednesday puzzles. Does anyone else think we need to tell Jay that the word in the clue for 1a is ‘perservation’?
    Really enjoyed this one – as usual I only had a few answers from reading all the across clues but then got going and ended up only having a few problems – 13a, 18a (have never heard the word) and 17d.
    Lots of good clues – several that made me laugh which is always a good thing.
    I liked 13, 15 and 27a and 1, 7, 8 and 25d. My favourite was 24d simply because it’s our wonderful collie’s name.

    • Kath
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

      PS – Sorry – seem to have the manners of a guttersnipe today!
      With thanks to Jay and scchua.

  21. Heno
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to Jay & to scchua for the review and hints. Hooray ! A completion at last, had to guess 6d which was last in, it was the only word I could think of that fitted the checkers, thanks to scchua for the explanation, of course I’d missed the hidden reverse. I had heard of the answer, not because of my knowledge of ( or lack of ) Mythology, but from music, it was a track on ELP’s first album. They must have known their Classics! A good puzzle, favourites were 12&26a and 8,16,24,25d. 8&25 made me laugh out loud. Lovely weather in Central London, had a nice run over Parley.

  22. gnomethang
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    This was definitely a ‘down first’ puzzle for me but all came in at about the usual time . thanks to scchua and to Jay .

  23. Mike Gordon
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    1 Down might be better explained by a 3, 4 Sot Here.

  24. Jay
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Many thanks scchua for the review, and to all for the comments

    • pommers
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

      Hi Jay, thanks for today’s puzzle. It really put my brain bacx into gear Just what was needed after a few daqys of brain fade due to antibioticcs etc. Also thanks for the good wishes on previous post – hope to meet againn soon!

  25. WB Geddes
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    3 for difficulty minus 200 for enjoyment. Why the hyperbole? 17D

    So then let me enter into the argument. What’s wrong with 17D

    Compiler – what is wrong with Wannabes?
    Me – it isn’t a word, singular or plural
    Compiler – o yep it is. Its (NB no apostofee) wot duz that matta ennyway, its in my big chambas buk wot i red
    Me – are they the rules? The rules are an ass then.

    This is the same kind of charlatan behaviour (your spell check here, Big Dave, prefers behavior – sic) that hi-jacked scrabble and made experts of 2 letter words for Bulgarian cook pots and the like.

    Would you like a good English word? Well it begins with F and ends with koff. (yes i know it’s 2 words but i am very P blank off)

  26. Zofbak
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Enjoyed the comments about 8d – definitely made me smile. It was rather a mischievous clue, I thought. Many thanks to Jay and Scchua for the entertainment today.

  27. Merusa
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Oh, dear, 17d is a very doubtfully acceptable word, but as English is a living language, I suppose we have to accept that these horrible words creeping in are here to stay.

    • Kath
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

      I suppose that if the language didn’t change we would still be saying ‘thee’ and ‘thou’.

      • skempie
        Posted January 10, 2013 at 12:14 am | Permalink

        Doest thee not say thou? I beseech thee to try it forthwith, thou canst talk ye English of yore. huzzah

  28. Hrothgar
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Boy, did I struggle yesterday!
    But not quite so much today.
    Thanks Jay and scchua for the review.

  29. Tmdess
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    I’m a little embarrassed by how difficult I found this! Never heard of several answers…”bog” is UK slang for toilet? Thanks for the help everyone!

  30. Patrick
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Must live on a different planet to most of you. I found this hard. Perhaps I am cracking up!

    • una
      Posted January 9, 2013 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

      I don’t think you are, just quite difficult for the uninitiated,. I started using CollinsThesaurus for the first time and it helped a little.

  31. una
    Posted January 9, 2013 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    I only got 15 which is not very good. I always find Jay quite difficult. Unexpected splits like those in1d and 8d leave me flummoxed.I liked 1a,3d,5d,4d,and 5d. Thanks to sschua and Jay.

  32. small dave
    Posted January 10, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    I finish the crossword about 80% of the time without help. For me this one was a stinker. Was seven answers short. Guess I’m just not on same wavelength as this setter.