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DT 30569 (Hints)

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 30569 (Hints)

The Saturday Crossword Club (hosted by crypticsue)

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A Saturday Prize Puzzle with somewhat of an American theme flavour

Most of the terms used in these hints are explained in the Glossary and examples are available by clicking on the entry under “See also”. Where the hint describes a construct as “usual” this means that more help can be found in The Usual Suspects, which gives a number of the elements commonly used in the wordplay. Another useful page is Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing, which features words with meanings that are not always immediately obvious.

A full review of this puzzle will be published after the closing date for submissions.

Across

1a           Talk about wobbly rear as handsome in Arab leader? (6,6)
A reversal (about) of a synonym for talk, an anagram (wobbly) of REAR AS and an adjective meaning, amongst things, handsome in the sense of rich or generous

9a           Detective in Georgia unwise to enter without invite (9)
An informal name for a detective inserted between the abbreviation for the State of Georgia and a synonym for lacking in caution (unwise)

12a         Your escorts posed for Playboy? (5)
An abbreviated way of writing your follows (escorts) a simple way of saying posed

16a         Girl generous with cider or tea in London? (5)
The girl who tempted Laurie Lee in the first of his trilogy about his childhood or the Cockney rhyming slang for tea

22a         Notice wife plunged into warmer stream (9)
An abbreviated notice and the abbreviation for Wife inserted (plunged) into something that warms

25a         Made a fruitcake? (6,3)
Made someone furious rather than making them something nice to eat

27a         Cross river shortly after two vessels (12)
Almost all of a river goes after two vessels, the second one larger than the other!

 

Down

1d           Song about breaking up 24 hours ago? (9)
A song about a romantic break up or 24 hours ago

4d           Mountain range including peak over in Australia? (9)
A South American mountain range ‘including’  a peak or extremity and the cricket abbreviation for Over

7d           Maybe barman in AA right about police state? (5,7)
An American composer (barman) can be obtained by following AA (from the clue), the abbreviation for Right and a preposition meaning about, with an informal policeman and a state which could be read 3,4 as a police state!

10d         Needing treatment, let’s try here — a medical hub? (6,6)
An anagram (needing treatment) of LETS TRY HERE A

14d         Act for theatre to feel bitter about (9)
An informal name for a type of theatre and a verb meaning to feel bitter about

17d         Rich and posh MP turned out in southern states? (9)
The letter used to indicate posh, MP (from the clue) and a reversal of OUT inserted between the abbreviation for Southern and another for the United States

24d         Nuts — kilo taken into Texan town (5)
Mad or slightly crazy (nuts) – the abbreviation for Kilo ‘taken into’ a town in Texas

 

 

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The Quick Crossword pun:    WRITERS + REIGN   = RIGHT AS RAIN

 

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  1. I thought that was quite tricky for a Saturday, not helped by having the harder of the clues for 19a in the “new” app, it made much more sense in the old but as it is unhinted I will bite my tongue. I did notice the American theme but have no clue as to the setter. Thanks to he/she and also to Super Sue

    1. I’ve just looked at the ‘new’ site to see the clue there and would agree with you that it is much harder. I’ve added an explanation for the ‘new’ clue in my already drafted review

    1. have you seen the follow up video to MK’s Going Home Charity song? It is very cleverly put together to show who we are listening too

      1. Thanks very much for that, SJB. Some truly great names in there. and interesting to see the inclusion of several better known as singers, who nevertheless are very accomplished guitarists too, like Keith Urban, Brad Paisley and Vince Gill.

      2. Thank you, SJB – I’d enjoyed it “blind” when you first posted it, and to see that quite stupendous list of musicians really added to the experience. Jeff Beck’s final recording, I understand. What a remarkable collaboration, and for such a great cause: I hope Knopfler/Fletcher raise a huge amount of money for the two charities.

        1. I mistook the title of this to be I’m Going Home by 10 Years After, with Alvin Lee. What a fantastic rock guitarist he was!

          1. Alvin Lee’s performance at Woodstock blew everyone away. He became known as the lightning guitarist but his ego was huge and led to the break up of Ten Years After.

            Come on, guys. Who has played air guitar to Love Like a Man?

        2. It certainly deserves to raise tons for Teenage Cancer as it is the most musically accomplished charity song I have heard
          I am pleased that I got quite a few of my guesses right, Tom Morello was one, I recognised his wail from his turn on The Ghost of Tom Joad, and some of the acoustic contributions were very good too
          I was initially quite dismissive of the Starkey’s over-exuberant ending but after listening several times I back down gracefully

          1. It is a wonderful recording – a symphony of guitars. When I was in the RAF I said to a friend that I thought some of the rock music of the day (60-70s) would become just as classic as Beethoven. He scoffed at the idea but I think he was wrong to do so. The finale of “Won’t Get Fooled Again” by The Who is a typical symphonic ending. Think Beethoven’s fifth.
            This is in the same category.

              1. Have you listened to Who’s Next: Life House (Super Deluxe)? – there’s plenty of it at just shy of 10hrs.

          2. Sorry to strike a contrary note John. Great cause & hope it raises loads but give me the original any day – less is more & I thought it a bit of a mess to be honest.
            Did get me thinking about who I’d have as my all time favourite guitarist & reckon Duane Allman is in the frame.

    2. Hi RD (and CS)

      As far as I can see, there are three references to America 19a, 15d & 24d (I’ve ignored the abbreviation in 9a and the one in 17d as they appear all the time). You could argue that 12a is one but it’s been in The UK for yonks. That’s where us two differ when it comes to the timeline for defining an Americanism.

      Does three qualify as a theme? If so, is an American theme a no-no when it comes to compiling crosswords?

      1. I’d certainly say five, Tom – that 9a/17d appear frequently does not make them any less American! But for acrossthepondophiles there was a wonderful clue in The Times during the week: “Satellite states in America” (8) …

        1. Hi MG

          My definition of theme is therefore different to yours.

          I define a theme as the answers (or the bulk of one like 17d) being places, people or events.

          To me, having abbreviations as part of the fodder doesn’t qualify them as being part of the theme.

          Let’s say it’s five not three. Is there a problem with having an American theme or am I misunderstanding RD’s comment? None of them are Americanisms which, I appreciate, could grate some solvers.

          1. It’s not a theme, Tom, nor are there any American terms as such. It’s more what I would call an American flavour with about a quarter of the clues involving some sort of American reference. To put it politely, this is unbalanced in my opinion for a puzzle in a British newspaper.

            1. So you’re in the same camp as MG, i.e you are counting the abbreviations in your total which I’m not because one, if not, two American abbreviations appear in the majority of crosswords.

              Onwards!

            2. I’ve been giving this some thought as the day has progressed

              It isn’t a theme but as I solved the clues I thought another American reference more than once and even without counting and allowing for usual suspects, there is definitely a strong flavour of the USA about the whole thing, which for me isn’t a problem at all, I just felt it needed remarking upon

          2. You misunderstand me, Tom – I should have been clearer in answering your post as I was not saying there was a theme (or even how many clues/references constituted a theme) only that I counted at least five references, which gave the puzzle a very Yankee feel!

          3. Hi Tom

            I would say that I have no difficulty with places such as Epsom, Newcastle, Brighton, Cardiff… to name but a few, however in today’s puzzle I needed google to verify the Texan town, the Tulsan reference, and Oppenheimer”s workplace. For me, that ruined an otherwise ok puzzle.

            1. Hi Jezza

              I assume you prefer British knowledge. I’m open to all sorts, as long as the answers are parsable which, to me, they are today.

              1. Indeed, perhaps English knowledge would be more appropriate for some… but for us it would be too parochial and we welcome more than repeated Ely and Dee clueing.

                Mr & Mrs T
                Boston

                Isn’t Cardiff in Wales ?

                1. I’m with you all the way, Tants!

                  Giving 1 star for a crossword of this level of quality does feel that RD has punished the setter severely for the 3 to 6 American references.

              2. It’s just my personal preference that when completing a cryptic puzzle, my only resource should be a dictionary, and not google to look up factual gk.
                If you introduced cryptic clues into gk puzzles, I’d imagine it wouldn’t go down too well…

                1. Ah! So, you’re not a fan of GK in cryptics. Fair enough.

                  I’m a huge fan, as long as it’s parsable.

                  If I can learn a fact when doing a cryptic then I am a happy solver. I have learnt so much over the years.

                  I reckon some people will never forget which state Tulsa is in, thanks to today’s crossy.

                  1. Yes Tom – you’ve hit the nail on the head.
                    There was one DT setter, who shall not be named, who felt it their duty to indoctrinate us with obscure gk, especially of a religious nature.
                    Needless to say after a while I never looked at their puzzles when I knew they were published, as I did not derive any enjoyment from them (which is the whole point of doing them).

                    1. I understand why people get miffed with obscure knowledge though I’m all for it if the clue is well-enough constructed that you don’t need to confirm it.

                      To me, none of today’s GK are obscure. The barman is famous and there was a big event in 24d.

      2. Isn’t it a huge shame that we cannot sit round in a bar with a drink and thrash this out face to face! 🤭

      1. Not true at all, Merusa. I love lots of Americans, definitely including you. :rose:

        I am very happy with American terms in British crosswords as long as there are only one or two at most per puzzle and they are indicated. I have two very good friends who are cryptic setters for different national newspapers and they agree with me. Mind you, they could just be saying that to shut me up! :wink:

        1. P.S. With apologies to Kath for the plural, one of my favourite music genres is American Country. I have probably got 50 CDs of that ilk and rarely drive anywhere without listening to one.

        2. Hi RD

          I appreciate that you and your muckers like an Americanism to be indicated, as do I, though we disagree on how old the Americanism is for it to have an indicator. But, the only one today that hasn’t been indicated is the barman. Do all barmen need indicators? I don’t recall, say, European barmen having indicators.

  2. This was certainly no walk in the park but a good steady workout with a few tricky parsings to keep this solver interested throughout. 7d was one of my last entries and my favourite, ahead of 16a.

    My thanks to our Saturday setter and Sue.

  3. Well, that was great fun.

    Lots of excellent constructions with some nice lateral thinking and plenty of gettable general knowledge. Right up my strasse.

    My LOI was 7d which was a Lego clue and then some! Such fun.

    5d was my finest hour when watching Only Connect as the answer came up as the first of a sequence of four and I knew it was an anagram. So, I immediately said ‘U start’ ie a made up anagram of the fourth one in this royal sequence. Five pints for Tom with the Only Connect team getting it after three had come up.

    25a made me smile as did 24d. But, top honours go to the clever 12a along with 27a and 15d.

    Many thanks to the setter and CS

    2*/5*.

    P.S I’ll ignore the setter using the word ‘invite’ as opposed to ‘invitation’. I made my peace with it a couple of years ago as I see ‘Zoom invite’ all the time though it will never pass my lips.

    1. Tom you really are such a cheerily generous fellow. 5*! I feel, as ever, a heel because I didn’t much care for this. It’s always fascinating to see people’s different reactions. And each to their own, of course. But I, for one, didn’t think this was tricky, just slightly annoying: 1a’s surface in particular. It’s a clever construction, yes, but what the heck does it mean? 12a is pushing it. And was 16a’s girl really generous with the cider? I thought it was something else entirely but it has been a long time. 25a was barely cryptic. 19a was smart, though, and rather of the moment, unlike bloomin’ 7d! A mixed bag. Thanks to the setter and CS.

        1. It’s never too early….hic!

          Isn’t it funny how people’s tick boxes differ.

          I thought 1a was hilarious: this Arab leader has a sweet derriere, albeit, wobbly. Love it.

          12a was my favourite. How is it pushing it? Are you referring to the surface or construction as I think both are brilliant?

          Maybe, like 16a, I’m being benevolent but the sun’s shining, I had a good workout in the gym and I am amongst friends on this fabby blog. I may have given it 4 stars at a different time of the week. (I don’t do half increments, btw. Five is more than enough for me to choose from. It’s why I find Mustafa’s < very amusing)

          25a is a little bit cryptic, i.e it wants you to think that you are a baker.

          I'm guessing 'generous' has something to do with the story but I could be wrong.

          Bloomin? What's the problem with 7d being an answer from the last century?

          I thought this crossword was great fun with lots of variety.

          1. Ha! You’re clearly a much nicer chap than me. But I knew that already! I can’t agree with you re 1a – it’s just ugly and daft. I still think 12a’s definition is a push but, hey, it’s a crossword. As for 25a, yes the setter’s going for that idea, of course, but it’s pretty limp. Nothing wrong with the last century at all – in moderation. I was just being grumpy!

            1. We should nominate seven of us to be the dwarfs (or does one prefer dwarves?) to go with Snow White who is obviously Cryptic Sue.

              Let’s fill ’em in gang…

              Happy – Tom
              Grumpy – ALP
              Doc –
              Sleepy –
              Bashful –
              Dopey –
              Sneezy –

                1. Argumentative? Absolutely.

                  Grumpy? No.

                  I’d call you ‘Doc’, trying to sort out people’s issues and concerns.

              1. So, we have….

                Happy – Tom
                Grumpy – ALP
                Doc – Jose
                Sleepy – After 10pm
                Bashful – All lurkers
                Dopey – DaveG
                Sneezy – A hay fever sufferer amongst us

            1. Hope you got round to the Silvanus Toughie on Thursday (didn’t see a comment from you) – there’s a present for you at 20d & if you don’t want it post it on as mine is on the blink.

  4. Not the easiest to start but got better as you went along. Some clever clues such as 27a and 7d and thx for the hint in explaining my answer to 12a.
    Thx to all
    ***/****

  5. A very pleasant start to my weekend on Friday evening although I thought the grid was slightly strange with what I would describe as a ‘Catherine Wheel’ effect (nothing to do with the PoW God bless her) in the centre – **/****

    Candidates for favourite – 16a, 22a, 25a, 27a, 2d, and 14d – and the winner is 16a.

    Not sure who the setter might be but I will take a chance and put my Toonie on NYDK.

    So, thanks to him, or whomsoever if it is not he and my Toonie goes down the drain, and thanks to CS.

  6. An enjoyable challenge, I thought: one or two odd/stilted surfaces, but then again some were quite brilliant. Initially the puzzle threatened to be a little pedestrian but things picked up with some humour and a few really lovely clues. The American ‘theme’ was noticeable but no worse than that. All pretty straightforward and went down well with a cup of coffee while making the most of some warmth from that strange and unfamiliar yellow thing in the sky – I’d almost forgotten what it looked like, but now it’s gone once again! COTD 7d, special mentions to 11a, 12a, 17d.

    2* / 3*

    Thank you to the setter (NYDK? Not certain enough to put any money on it today) and to Sue

    Edit to add – I’d delayed completing my post in order to play that wonderful Mark Knopfler video a couple of times, and on seeing Senf’s post above I note we both incline towards this being an NYDK production: still not putting money on it though!

  7. Loved this. 7d a great example of a ‘constructable’ answer to a clue requiring some niche knowledge. Made it gettable to a philistine like me who hadn’t heard of him! A cross check with Google led to a happy solver. ***/****

  8. For me that was a pleasant relief after two rather unproductive cruciverbal days. 4d was quite a work out and I needed help with 7d “barman”. Time spent living in USA helped with a few clues e.g. 15d. Thank you Setter and CS.

  9. Needed the hint for 7d, so another DNF for me. I will not be entering for the much craved for pen, perhaps there’s only one and it is passed on week to week, collected by armoured car and delivered to the next person under armed guard. Thanks to all.

  10. A bit of head scratching but I thought this was very enjoyable. 7d last one in but the very clever 12a had my vote today. Thanks to all. PS don’t mind America , not keen on Europeans

    1. You may not have heard of the chap, TC, but I’m sure you will have heard (at the very least) the opening bars of his most well-known piece of music – I won’t post a link as to do so would inevitably send me to the naughty step, and hopefully what follows won’t put me there either! [redacted – if only I wasn’t too busy typing my third draft review of the day, I’d make a cake to go in the NC]

          1. Yep. It’s a great version, very much of its time.

            And sorry, CS – I’ll get some of the Christmas panettone out of the freezer to keep me company on the NC!

            1. Sorry, MG, but I think this needs a slight “redact” too!
              “It’s a ***** version, VERY MUCH OF ITS TIME”

              1. While writing the post I was playing that video (all 8 minutes) through my Kef speakers, so it was already quite loud enough without having to resort to capitals …. :)

                  1. I completely understand people getting miffed with obscure knowledge though I’m still a fan.

                    But, to me, one of the greatest 20th century composers, a US state and a famous siege from the 90s is not obscure.

                  2. Good call! Canny question – what led you to ask? I thought I’d turned off my webcam … ;)

                    They’re almost 30 years old and (happily for my wallet on seeing prices for new Kef speakers) still going strong. Having relegated them to shelves in my study with a bluetooth adapter for the equally old Marantz amp, the sound is still superb. The heavy stands I bought for them originally are now redundant, but still capable of ruining any floor – especially bare wood – that their spikes should encounter.

                    1. Nearly bought the codas myself, but after listening to some celestion 332s, I opted for those instead, almost two weeks money in 1981!
                      Still working perfectly 43 years later, one fuse change, two grille recoverings later.
                      Doubt if my own ears’ frequency response do them justice nowadays.

                    2. A tip from a local hi-fi buff;
                      Let the spikes mark the wooden floor and when you lift the stand up you will have pilot holes for Pozidrive screws so the spikes don’t do any more damage
                      (I am sure they will only have three spikes as that ensures they can’t wobble)

  11. Found this a little more challenging than usual for a Saturday and was grateful for the checkers that appeared along the way.
    My top two were the very expressive 27a and the concise 14d.

    Thanks to our setter – NYDK? and to CS for the hints.
    PS My heart goes out to Kate as she battles with the big C in the glare of global media.

    1. Well said, Jane. She certainly could use some luck and space – and a brand new press team to boot. They’ve mishandled this horrendously and really let the wolf through the door. Enough already.

    2. I will readily admit that I shed a tear or two or more when I watched the video of Catherine making her announcement yesterday afternoon. Then I had a wee dram to wish her a full recovery. Good for her and William taking time to ensure that the children have a good understanding of what it all means before ‘going public.’ The trolls should be satisfied and go back to their caves, but I doubt that will happen.

      1. I’ve been boiling over since this all started. How dare they encroach on her very private life, tormented her over a photoshopped picture? I’ve long since run out of words, that poor girl must have been so hurt. How on earth can we make it up to her?

      2. It isn’t stopped. Senf. I see that there are posts on Twitter, which I never use as a rule, claiming the video has been produced by AI. Don’t these people have lives? They are thoroughly nasty ghouls.

        1. I cannot believe you! I think humanity has sunk to the nadir of bad taste and nastiness. What will it take for these people to stop?

  12. A nice Saturday puzzle again this week.

    2*/3.5*

    Favourites 1a, 19a, 26a, 27a, 10d & 24d — with winner 27a

    Thanks to setter & CS for blog/hints

  13. That was a poser and no mistake. I got there in the end so I can visit the pentangle to chant my incantations for The Mythical (yet again).

    Some clever parsings, especially 27a and 7d. I thought the surface of 11a was brilliant. My COTD is the generous girl in 16a because I love the book. Hope that doesn’t put me on the Naughty Step because I gather there’s no cake.

    Thank you Miss Tree Setter for the fun challenge. Thank you, CS for the hints.

    My thoughts are with Kate, William and family. I do hope the evil trolls will now shut up.

  14. Excellent puzzle. started off easily enough and then had a few wobblies not helped by putting Health as the first word in 10d. My fault for not checking all the letters. This held me up a bit. Mr barman is one of my favourites but it still took me a while to twig. The Tulsan traveller was another lightbulb moment. So was the father of the A bomb who had been in the news rather a lot recently. All in all splendid.
    **/****

  15. As I have already said, I loved it and actually got quite excited although a first run through only produced two answers, but then it all began to flow and I have not needed to consult the lovely CS. My daisies went to 20 & 27a and 7,15&17 d. Huge thanks to the sideways-minded setter for diverting me and to CS for monitoring the naughty step onto which I very nearly fell as I was going to make a remark about 13a. Did not even look at the DT yesterday as it was a bad day, and I woke up to the 6 pm news about the Princess of Wales which plunged me back into the doldrums. Warmest wishes to her and all who are facing daunting diagnoses. I had 2 biopsies done on 4th March and was told 6-8 weeks for results. 9 days later I had a letter apparently from Addenbrookes telling me to go to go in at 6.45 on 16th full details about taking slippers. dressing gown, no alcohol for 2 days before etc. I thought it was odd that I had not had the results and rang the surgery who knew nothing, , rang the hospital who knew nothing. No hospital appointment scheduled. Eventually told it must have been a scam. There are some seriously nasty people about.

    1. There really are some seriously nasty people about. What do they get out of it? I hope you have good news soon. I don’t like to think of our usually positive DG in the doldrums💕

      1. Got there in the end. I am now a 16a as it sounds more friendly than my original . Have been feeling distracted of late. Hubby is a medic and all along we have felt Kate is under too much scrutiny when the signs seemed ominous. I cannot imagine how I would have coped with my cancer diagnosis if there had been a media frenzy and such wild and cruel speculation. Our crossword is a grand distraction from our mad world and I thank everyone who works to provide such a pleasure.

  16. I found this decidedly tricky for a Saturday, but it was hugely enjoyable. I had the wrong ending for 11a, this made a bung in for 4d that made no sense and was dead wrong. I did use word search for 27a, lovely word! I was held up at 7d as I find I’ve been spelling the last name incorrectly! He’s a fave of mine, glad I’ve now learnt how to spell his name correctly. I liked lots, 1d for the memories, 16a for the fun, but I’m choosing 7d for fave.
    Thank you setter for the fun, and our CS for the hints and pics, you’re a star!

  17. Like DG loved this, with the wonderful 12A topping the class, although the wobbly rear of a handsome Arab leader seemed most appealing (to me, I should clarify). And what about 10D for a nice & lit? It’s not? Well, personally I think it could be, but for an equally nice and friendly DT Saturday puzzle, I think that funny idea is fine and dandy just as written, thus avoiding naughty step I sincerely hope…

    If I may, as to the ‘theme’, there isn’t one in this crossword.

    Many thanks to our setter, and to Circus Type for the hints.

  18. Just to be pedantic – the song at 1Down wasn’t about a breakup but regret for words spoken by the composer to his mother

    1. To be fair to the setter, McCartney has said only that it could have been influenced subconsciously by his mother’s death and his saying something he regretted to her, adding “I certainly didn’t mean it to be”. It was definitely written as a song about a break-up with a girlfriend.

  19. I found this a bit of a slog, and not the hoped for respite from a week of tricky puzzles. I never thought I would be looking forward to a Dada, but I really am now. And despite living across the pond, I do agree rather too many Americanisms for a British puzzle. On the other hand, I often struggle with references to British TV programs etc which have aired since 1982, unless they have also been aired over here. Thanks to setter, although clearly above my pay grade, and to the very clever CS.

  20. Good puzzle. Slightly trickier for a Saturday but we enjoyed it. Just Googled Gene Pitney following the ‘Tula’ clue to discover he died in 2006 in Cardiff. Who knew?!

    1. Hi JB

      I’ve only just seen your comment and you provably won’t see this but, yes, it is indeed a fantastic word as is curmudgeon. I always put those together.

  21. I did about half quite happily and then it became a slog. Thanks Sue for clearing up the parsing of those I shoulder barged in. I thought the end of 1a must be as you say, but it seemed a bit stretched at the time so I checked the name’s spelling (as there is another word that seems a closer synonym, but it introduces an incorrect letter). I’ve never heard the informal name for detective, but it’s all there was left to go in. Nor the American composer. I’m with RD on this. For me, it had too much American stuff in it for a British paper. Also some of the clues seemed to have a Cross Atlantic style. Not one for me, but who knows – perhaps this is the one I win my first ever crossword prize with.

  22. We enjoyed this but it was decidedly tricky in a week of tricky crosswords as I predicted on Wednesday. So “I told you so”. Needed the hints to parse 29a and 2d. Favourite was 7d as it took a while to parse it correctly. Thanks to the setter and CS.

  23. Hello. NYDK here. Certainly no theme intended for today, BUT: the USA clue mentioned passim by Mustafa G (Satellite states in America) was one I wrote for Times 28870 21 March 2024, i.e. Thursday :D I don’t know what is going on, as I have but scant affection for the activities in general of that government, but there we are.

    Thanks all for comments, and thanks Sue for the hints.

    Cheers!

    1. Thank you, NYDK for the entertainment and stretching of the grey cells. It gives me another go at The Mythical! 😁

    2. & now I wish I’d put my fiver on with the bookies. Thanks again for an enjoyable puzzle, NYDK, but since you have outed yourself, thank you also for the great Times puzzle on Thursday – I loved that Satellite clue, also the Debauchee and Bellow. All very amusing!

    3. Oh dear, does that mean you’d welcome a government by the alternative? Not that we should get involved in politics, but the mind did still wonder!

      1. That seems a fairly radical outlook Merusa. Disapproval of one thing doesn’t mean approval of another, to me at any rate.

  24. Why all the kerfuffle about American clues?

    I thoroughly enjoyed it!

    ps. Just checked that kerfuffle is [British, informal]

  25. Absolutely no surprise it was a Donny production & a thoroughly enjoyable one too. 7d was last in & my favourite once the penny dropped after an embarrassingly long time having been well & truly suckered by the deliberately misleading barman/AA surface. Plenty of likes elsewhere – 1,12,19&27a plus 4,10&17d
    Thanks to Donny & Sue

  26. After struggling and not particularly enjoying the crosswords this week, I thought this was an excellent puzzle. Lots of really good clues and no problems with the ‘Americanisms’. I thought 7d was very clever and I like some of the barman’s bars, so that’ll be my clue of the day.
    Thanks NYDK and Cryptic Sue

  27. Managed to finish this tricky little number, there were some very clever clues.

    Many thanks to NYDK and to CS for the hints.

  28. Great fun throughout.
    Loved last in,
    1d and 27a.
    Brilliant clues.
    Decidedly American flavour,
    Good, it stretched my
    Solving abilities.
    Many thanks, setter and CS.

  29. Somewhat late in finishing this…!

    A DNF due to needing to google 7d. An extremely obscure bit of GK as far as I’m concerned.

    19a was also obscure and need electronic help.

    Thanks to all.

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