Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 30562
Hints and tips by Mr K
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BD Rating - Difficulty ** - Enjoyment ****
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Friday. I found today’s offering more straightforward than recent Friday puzzles. The smoothness of the surfaces combined with tight clueing and definitions made for a most enjoyable solve.
In the hints below most indicators are italicized, and underlining identifies precise definitions and cryptic definitions. Clicking on the answer buttons will reveal the answers. In some hints hyperlinks provide additional explanation or background. Please leave a comment telling us how you got on.
Across
7a Old French bread bagged by adolescent I meet (7)
CENTIME: The answer is contained in (bagged by) the remainder of the clue
8a Changed what happened at noon? (7)
AMENDED: The answer split (2,5) describes what happened at noon
10a Recently acquired garment somewhere in America (3,6)
NEW JERSEY: A synonym of recently acquired and a garment for the upper body
11a Biblical patriarch in one account, then another (5)
ISAAC: The abbreviation for an individual savings account is followed by an abbreviation for account
12a Climber pocketing gold -- it's an ornamental material (5)
IVORY: A climbing plant containing (pocketing) the heraldic abbreviation for gold
13a Wrongly tell head of marketing one's performing well (9)
MISINFORM: Link together the first letter of (head of) MARKETING, the Roman one with its ‘S from the clue, and a (2,4) phrase meaning “performing well”
15a Copy passage from journo? It ideally gets sent back (7)
EDITION: The answer is found hidden in (passage from … ) the reversal of (gets sent back) JOURNO IT IDEALLY
17a Still admitting Republican to club opposing the Reds (7)
EVERTON: Another word for still containing (admitting) both the single letter for Republican and TO from the clue
18a Great ruler learned tax must change, cutting tons (9)
ALEXANDER: An anagram (must change) of LEARNED TAX minus (cutting) the single letter for tons
20a Father eats along with a native of China (5)
PANDA: An informal word for father contains (eats) another word for “along with”
21a Be very eager to follow popular music genre (5)
INDIE: A word meaning “be very eager” follows popular or fashionable
23a Fancy limousine's ejecting European dictator (9)
MUSSOLINI: An anagram (fancy) of LIMOUSINE’S minus (ejecting) the single letter for European
24a Lots going after starter of Neapolitan pasta strips (7)
NOODLES: Lots or many comes after the first letter of (starter of) NEOPOLITAN
25a Tech giant's saving time for computer programs (7)
APPLETS: A company that’s a tech giant with its ‘S from the clue is containing (saving) the physics symbol for time
Down
1d Son presently on phone gets transport for Poles? (10)
SNOWMOBILE: Link together the genealogical abbreviation for son, another word for presently, and another word for a portable phone
2d Passionate about new and ostentatious clothing (6)
FINERY: A synonym of passionate containing (about) the single letter for new
3d Maybe Tom Jones, when slam dancing (8)
WELSHMAN: An anagram (dancing) of WHEN SLAM. The maybe indicates that the definition is by example
4d Rock stars around unknown, debauched fellows (6)
SATYRS: An anagram (rock) of STARS containing (about) a usual letter that can represent a mathematical unknown
5d Obstreperous attitude from French groom-to-be (8)
DEFIANCE: From in French and a groom-to-be
6d Middleman regularly ignored plan (4)
IDEA: Alternate letters (regularly ignored) of MIDDLEMAN
7d Thought person in prison camp needs helping (13)
CONSIDERATION: Concatenate a person in prison, a camp or faction, and a helping or allocation
9d Films with a boring end Tom Cruise shot (13)
DOCUMENTARIES: A inserted in (boring) an anagram (shot) of END TOM CRUISE
14d In America, usually love following figure on X (10)
OFTENTIMES: Join together the letter resembling a love score in tennis, the single letter for following, a number (figure) between 9 and 11, and what X represents in arithmetic
16d French lady lives with a beautiful woman (8)
ISABELLE: Assemble lives or exists, A from the clue, and a beautiful woman
17d Really regret capsizing sailor's cross-Channel transport (8)
EUROSTAR: Synonyms of really and regret joined and then reversed (capsizing) are followed by a usual sailor
19d Daughter put on a cloak showing patterned cloth (6)
DAMASK: Cement together the genealogical abbreviation for daughter, A from the clue, and another word for cloak
20d Concert pianist, totally gutted, getting cue on stage (6)
PROMPT: Follow a concert that might be held at the Royal Albert Hall with the outer letters (totally gutted) of PIANIST
22d Abandon medic before medical procedure (4)
DROP: An abbreviation for a medic comes before an informal contraction for a medical procedure
Thanks to today’s setter. Top clue for me was 1d. Which clues did you like best?
The Quick Crossword pun: GEL + EBAY + BEES = JELLY BABIES
Despite needing a bit of e-help for two, this was very enjoyable. I spent far too long trying to use Tom Jones as an anagram for some form of dancing in 3d. I kicked myself for having wasted so much time once the penny dropped. Great misdirection. I couldn’t make up my mind whether 16d ended in “e” or “a”. In the end I went for the former and will check the hints to see if I chose wisely. The recently acquired garment at 10a raised as smile but my COTD is the morning being over at 8a.
Many thanks to the setter for a satisfying challenge. Thank you, Mr K for the hints.
The local village shop has been bought by developers and we are all hoping they will keep it open. They say they will and want to add a tea room but we all know what developers are like. Promise to do everything to get the property then tear it down and put up six houses on the site once they have it.
I tried to do the same with 3d. It did not help that the checking letters were in Tom Jones.
An excellent puzzle – many thanks to the setter for the enjoyment. 2*/4.5* for me.
Everything that gets ‘developed’ round our way turns into old peoples’ nursing homes.
I think it’s a good thing that Iceni, Silures and Venicones are well looked after.
Apologies if you meant old people’s homes.
Welcome to the blog, Michael R.
You’re right to be suspicious about the developers, but I do hope you are wrong. We were told bungalows were going to be built behind our house in Berkshire. Imagine our dismay when they instead erected four storey flats, looking straight into our gardens. Then some tenants asked our neighbors to cut down their trees as they spoilt their view…
What a nerve! When the plot next to us was developed we agreed to a former bungalow in line with our place. An amendment turned it into a huge modern (glass staircase and gallery) block 20’ forward blocking our view! Fortunately they are really nice people.
Don’t start me . . .
For donkey’s years we’d lived in a wonderful house – an old farmhouse, the oldest bits were 17C,, just a couple of miles from the centre of Oxford and surrounded by fields and my half-acre of garden. Our Lambs grew up there. We moved five years ago because it was too big for us, however much we didn’t want to move. It’s now completely surrounded by new horrid little houses – how the planners got away with it I have no idea – it makes me cry to think about it.
Rest assured the village will be keeping a close eye on events.
Jeepers! I must have had what Mustafa has for breakfast as I powered through this as if it was Campbell in a benevolent mood. I was cruising to a 1* for difficulty until I got to 14d which pushed me into the 2 zone.
I mistakingly put ‘strays’ in as the answer for 4d but quickly spotted the error of my ways.
Very enjoyable but over so quickly.
My podium is 7a (lovely lurker with a great surface), 5d and 17d
Many thanks to the friendly Friday fiend and Mr K.
2*/4*
Good French-roast coffee beans rather than breakfast, Tom. My self-imposed error was to start writing-in ‘misleading’ at 13a before realising I wasn’t going to have enough space: always a nuisance with a paper puzzle having crossed-out letters in the lights! I was trying without success to put teen or the like around sou at 7a until spotting the other small coin.
We do so luuuuuv French-roast coffee beans, yes, we do.
I see you rated 9d as a screamer which it absolutely is. I accidentally left it off the podium. Any setter who uses ‘Tom Cruise’ as anagram fodder gets my vote.
I can only assume they got Friday’s and Wednesday’s puzzles the wrong way around! This was a lovely end to the week, completed on the app with only one checker revealed to round it out. I’ll take that.
So many good clues to choose from, with delightful surfaces in abundance. I’ll plump for 11a and 20a as my gold and silver medallists. **/****
West side easy, east side hard, seemed to be split right down the middle today.
Couldn’t get the last one, 14d, and now having just seen the clue I can easily see why, a simply dreadful idea, words like this should stay well west of The Azores, and if they want an airing they should apply to the NY Times.😉
Anyway, spleen vented now, the rest of the puzzle was brilliant, absolutely loved the two long ‘uns, which have to be my favourites today. Well done to our setter (bar 14d) today.
Absolutely agree, struggled with the east.
A bit of a cracker for a Friday, so very good while it lasted (caffeine-powered) it’s just a pity this wasn’t a Jumbo Crossword so that we could have had two or three times the number of clues, to prolong the enjoyment. Not convinced that 16d is especially French, but a very helpful dose of beautifully constructed anagrams, good surfaces throughout, plenty of wit. I imagine one of our number may object to 11a, but the overall level of ‘K’ required was totally G and not in the least O (obscure). Quite an “international” puzzle, with the French and America both appearing twice, let alone the Europeans, Neapolitans, Poles, countrymen of Tom Jones!
Podium places to the outstanding 9d, & very clever 8a & 17a.
2* / 4*
Many thanks to the setter (Silvanus for my money) & Mr K
Your money’s lost, I’m afraid! Not me today.
Ah well, as metaphorical money goes I’d only have lost it on something like the Gold Cup this afternoon had I kept hold of it that long!
I think 16d is French only if there is ‘le’ on the end.
A very pleasant Friday puzzle. The ‘X’ in the SW was found very early on and set off a ‘4X’ alert but it didn’t last very long. 2.5*/3.5*
Was it the work of a member of the Friday triumvirate? I am not sure so the Toonie stays in my pocket.
14d is a dreadful word; not the worst American word in my opinion, but what is wrong with being economical with letters and just using the first half?
Candidates for favourite – 8a, 13a, and 20d – and the winner is 13a.
Thanks to whomsoever and Mr K.
Senf, I’m not sure oftentimes is an American word….this is from Wordsworth’s Lines Composed a Few Miles above Tintern Abbey and you can’t get more English than that! One of my favourite pieces of poetry too.
For I have learned
To look on nature, not as in the hour
Of thoughtless youth; but hearing oftentimes
The still sad music of humanity,
Nor harsh nor grating, though of ample power
To chasten and subdue. And I have felt
A presence that disturbs me with the joy
Of elevated thoughts; a sense sublime
Of something far more deeply interfused,
Well I never – who’d have thunk it.
Excellent work, MR. 👏👏
A long time ago, famously clued by Araucaria in The Guardian as “Of of of of of of of of of of (10)”.
We love it, MR2 👏👏
14d and 25a beyond me. Rest very friendly for a Friday
For the end of the non-week a nice gentle puzzle without too many hiccoughs. As Mr K said, quite straightforward.
2*/3.5*
Favourites 18a, 23a, 28a, 3d, 17d & 22d — with winner 17d
Smiles all over including 9a, 10a, 3d & 22d
Thanks to setter and Mr K.
To begin with I was underwhelmed, this not being what I’d come to expect on a Friday, but it grew on me as I progressed. The level of difficulty increased a little in the bottom half and 25a, my LOI, was completely new to me, unsurprisingly, as I am no computer whizz kid. I was on pangram alert after finding a J and an X, but it didn’t materialise. There are lots of ticks on my paper so I’m spoilt for choice but 14d wins the day for the clever clueing. I also liked 7a, 11a, 17d and 20d. Best of all – the quickie pun. Many thanks to our setter and Mr K.
2*/4*. I didn’t feel that this smooth and enjoyable puzzle was the work of any of our normal Friday threesome, but it made an excellent finish to the week.
I love the word “obstreperous” in 5d and I was delighted to see the American indicator in 14d.
My top picks were 8a, 11a, 1d, 5d & 17d along with the Quickie pun.
Many thanks to the setter and to Mr K.
I didn’t mean to be flippant about your sport yesterday RD – it was a cheap shot I could not resist. Archery seldom gets any publicity yet must be one of the oldest sports along with George’s other love – fencing. And rowing is only covered at the beginning of July at Henley. I bet it is quite rare for you to bump into a fellow toxophilist. Or is it toxophilite? 🫢
I thought your comment was amusing, DG, and not at all flippant.
It’s toxophilite, and I am very much an ex-toxophilite having retired from that sport some 50 years ago. I also fenced in my teens but gave that up 60 years ago and concentrated on various ball sports. I did enjoy both archery and fencing very much though.
An enjoable solve from start to finish with a fair amount of general knowledge,
Liked 4d when the penny dropped and no band required! not seen the football club in a puzzle before, around the midtable for a change. Spot on Quickie Pun
Favourites 13a 7d and 11a,going for a **/****
Fairly gentle for a Friday but really enjoyable – thanks to our setter and Mr K.
My medallists are 13a, 17a and 14d.
A pleasure to meet
Campbell? on a
Friday.
From 7d this puzzle
Just flowed.
Only paused at my
Last in, 14d.
An Americanism? Hmmm.
Some nice juicy anagrams
eg 9d.
Many thanks setter and Mr K.
14d Hmmm = I didn’t think it was exclusively American.
Great fun and not too tricky with some really nice surfaces, none better I thought than the excellent 9d. An honourable mention in dispatches, too, for the beautifully groan-worthy Quickie pun.
My thanks to our Friday setter and Mr K.
Sorry but this wasn’t for me at all and as for the reference to 12a as an ornamental material – it just made my blood boil.
Apologies to our setter and thanks to Mr K for the review.
Is it naughty to suggest an improvement to 12a: ‘Climber pocketing gold for key’. It’s shorter and more cryptic. Either way, an enjoyable puzzle today, with little to fret over. Like others, I disliked the dreadful import in 14d.
A nice suggestion, PS.
I await your maiden puzzle in Nookie Corner.
“Nookie” Corner – what a racy thought that is!
Wey hey!
Roger Corsey and Nookie Bear.
Hard to watch
New 12a is banned from being used, Jane but old, which does not affect living animals, is still traded.
I’d have been happier if our setter had worded it as ‘once considered to be’.
How’s Mrs C progressing – she must be relieved to be back at home.
Mrs C is ok ish thank you, Jane. There are problems but the carers are wonderful.
Gazza must have seen this, and his namesake Gary Larson would agree that Ivory is no longer ornamental
Oh dear! I am sorry. I had no wish to offend. Of course I am against the use of ivory today. A vile trade. I was merely stating that antique ivory items are considered not to be forbidden and are traded at fine art fairs often(times). When I was an antique dealer I had some fine artwork made from ivory but it was a couple of hundred years old. Neither I nor any of my fellow dealers would have entertained illegal ivory.
I agree Jane. A “now banned” rather than ornamental would have been better. Poor elephants.
Me too!
Like others I sailed through this Friday challenge, and was only slowed down by the strange solution to 25a. This is not a familiar word to an old codger, but it fitted and had to be.
Now, I am going take take friendly issue with those who don’t like American words.
Although I never use them they have become common parlance (oops, French word) and, as just shown, we do use the languages of the world. Would anyone object to billabong or swagman? I seem to remember pied a terre• appearing recently – adopted by people of ‘our’ generation.
We Big Davers have many transatlantic contributors to whom some of our words and television programmes (with a double m) are unfamiliar. Let’s not confine ourselves to one particular culture. But, to support Allison Pearson, let’s make sure we keep our Britishness.
• I was amused that spellcheck wanted me to write pied a terror.
Having lived in America for nigh on 50 years, I can’t say I’ve ever used 14d and needed ehelp word search to get it. I must remember it and interject it oftentimes into conversations.
We’ve only been here 42 years, and I’ve never heard if said either.
I’m with you all the way, poet Pip.
I have no objection to 14d because I’ve learnt a word that is used the other side of The Pond.
We have words like whojammaflip, fiddlesticks, nevertheless and other bonkers ones that may make other nation’s toes curl. Some German words are a combination of three or four smaller ones. I’m all for it. It makes life more interesting.
An American entomologist, or should that be ANTomologist, made up this word for a species of weevil so it can be alphabetically last….zyzzyva
Now, there’s a scrabble score!
Talking of lists….there is a word for something that is fourth last in a list which is preantepenultimate.
All good fun.
I think 16d is French only if there is ‘le’ on the end.
Somehow this is a repetition of my 5d reply – sorry.
A lovely friendly Friday puzzle. Lots to like apart from the 14d word, how awful.
Top picks for me were 8a, 1d, 5d and 20d.
Loved the quickie pun too.
Thanks to the setter and Mr K.
It would certainly have sat better with Jane
A swift completion that would have been even quicker but for a head scratch at last in14d (not keen on the word but loved the wordplay) & 25a also needed post solve confirmation.
Thanks to the setter for an enjoyable puzzle & to Mr K for the review which I’ll read later.
Found this a bit of a mixed bag, to the extent I needed Mr K’s hints to confirm a couple of answers to prove I wasn’t completely off kilter. I’m in the camp of disliking 14d, but that said there was much to enjoy with a podium comprising 1 and 9d with 18a in top spot. Thanks to compiler and Mr K.
My mental picture of tents and caravans did nothing for my answer to 7d, so thank you Mr K for enlightening me! And thank you to the setter – I enjoyed your puzzle.
Tents and caravans? I’m intrigued! 😳
Thank you to the setter — that was fun, with many potential favourite clues, and no obscure knowledge required. (Though it turns out I can’t spell 23a’s dictator! Possibly the first time I’ve ever had to write it.)
I particularly enjoyed 20a’s China native (for cuteness) and 11a’s one account then another, with my top clue being 8a’s what happened at noon.
Hi Smylers
Did you see my response to your comment from two weeks ago (crossword 30550) as I was a bit late?
Talking of responses that weren’t on the same day….Zandio posted an outstanding one a couple of days later about the ‘open air’ rekrul that was fascinating and well worth a read.
Here’s the blog (at the end of post #25) https://bigdave44.com/2024/03/01/dt-30550/#comments
Thanks; I hadn’t seen it, Tom, and I’m grateful for you pointing out Zandio’s thoughtful and detailed explanation. He answers your question (among others) with far more thought, reasoning, and authority than I could have done.
Also, I had no idea of Zandio’s ‘other’ name until that post! Even in the Crossword Newsletter, Chris Lancaster just credits him as “Zandio”.
I assumed he was a new kid on the block. How wrong was I???
Well this kind of makes up for the Wednesday stinker, although I can’t claim to have raced through it. But definitely a pleasant surprise to get 13 at first pass, when I am usually ready to consign it to the bin. Can’t say I’ve ever heard anyone say 14d over here. Thanks to setter and Mr K – although I did miss the cats and assume they are AWOL 😊.
That’s the trouble with cats. They go their own way and stick tails up to the rest of the world. 🐈
Pardon me for a few minutes while I get someone to scrape me up off the floor! Is today Friday? Have I missed something? I’m so confused, what happened to me? A Friday puzzle that I did all on my own, bar one, 14d, and had a barrel load of fun doing it. I did need to make sure that 25a exists, and the hints to understand 11a. How on earth can one choose a fave from this excellent selection.
Thank you setter for the fun, I’m still in shock, and Mr, K for the hints and tips. I’ll now read the comments to see what others thought.
14d is not a word I’ve ever used or ever likely to. I may have heard it on a film but didn’t remember it if I did. Apart from that fairly straightforward. Favourite was 5d. Thanks to the setter and Mr. K.
An eminent American Endodontologist I know uses 14d all the time. When I first heard him use it I thought I had misheard him because I had never heard the term. As another member of the blog commented, I wondered why he had added another word to a word that meant the same thing.
What unalloyed joy while it lasted. For the first time since forever I had crosswordtime entirely to myself, grandchild taking a considerately-timed nap, along with a doable Friday puzzle.
So many thanks to the setter and Mr K, though the kitty count was disappointing today.
An interesting crossword today for which I needed Mr K’s invaluable help. I am not persuaded that we should accept other culture’s vocabulary if that vocabulary is an offence to the English Language which is often the case with American English.
Favourites today in no specific order: 8a, 5d, and 20d. Great surfaces in all three and in many others.
Thanks again to Mr K and to our friendly Friday setter.
I think the cats are in the kennels. Our neighbours cat Max has no tail, a huge white cat with strange black splodges. When he sits in the border with his back to us he looks just like a 20a. We did quite well with this guzzle over some poached salmon & new potatoes and a glass of wine. We normally eat in the evening but today it is Cinema Night and we have to be there to set it up at 6. I am sure you feel better for knowing all this. 14d and 25a flummoxed me and I had to consult Mr K, who seems to have rather a lot of music on offer today instead of felines. 7a went in straight away, I am old enough to remember them and indeed Il Duce whom my mother loathed. She blamed him for my father being at Monte Casino which had a lasting effect on him. I liked 8a but for sheer cleverness 11a is favourite. Many thanks to Messrs Setter & Kay. Le soleil est derrière les nuages 🙁
Are you sure the cat is Max, not Manx?
Sounds as though George is home for the poached salmon. Hope he is well.
Off you go again helping in your community this evening. Busy propping and never stopping. What’s the secret energy provider?
GIN. 🥂 And yes, he should be a Manx, but in fact he apparently was in an accident and
lost his tail and the couple next door rescued him. Of course, cat’s never pose for you but next time I
find him in Panda Mode I will take a photo.
Glad you sound a bit more your usual self DG
Good to see you that you seem to be back on form, DG.
Gosh that didn’t feel like a Friday offering at all as others have said. A fairly straightforward solve , with only a head scratch at the end with 14d – good misdirection ! Needed a hint to confirm parsing of 6d ,as that was a new word for me so switched around all the last 3 letters in all slots before it landed. Thanks to the setter and mr K
Like Tipcat and DG the West came smoothly on board but the East was a different story not helped by stalling over obscure 14d which was last to fall however I did ultimately like its parsing when the following penny dropped. 4d also was a bung-in as I failed to clock debauched fellows. Thank you Mysteryone and MrK. Third word in Quickie pun brought to mind yesterday’s ghastly incident when a vast swarm of them descended on an Indian Wells tennis court during an Alcaraz/Zverev match resulting in a 2-hour delay.
Very enjoyable with 8a as a brilliant clue thank you compiler and mr k
3/4. Very enjoyable puzzle with 8a and 5d my favourites. Thanks to the setter and Mr K.
Yes 12A was a hot potato. I was a bit put out there, I must admit. I’ll go with MrK for his choice of transport getting to the podium.
Glad to get a chance to solve one of the weekday puzzles, so busy is my job at the moment. If we could just have fewer wars it would help, as the ante is markedly upped for my employer when there is global wobbliness.
I agree that that was a tad easier than some Fridays, but still a bit of a tease in parts.
At least the Americanism was signposted, I tend to agree that Ivory is a bit of a touchy subject, even Prince William wants to expunge it from Royal collections but as it is just a crossword clue better not get your undies in a bunch about it.
18a amused as it is one of my middle names and thanks to Mr K for all the music today – particularly The Jersey Boy but all got an enjoyable airing as I soak away the week in the tub
I’ve got used to running away from Friday crosswords and only peeped out of today’s out of half an eye. What a shock!!
I wouldn’t go so far as to say it was easy but certainly ‘doable’ (hate the word) just about.
I’m with a few people who said that the left side was much easier than t’other.
I think 13a should have been “on form” rather than “in form” as being “performing well”.
I’ve never heard of 25a but as a technophobe that’s not surprising.
Lots of good clues – 8 and 10a and 2 and 19d. My favourite was 5d.
Thanks to the setter and to Mr K.
Nice Friday challenge.
Got the answer but failed to spot the lurker in 15a for ages so a lot of head scratching. Same with 17d, though I thought there might be a typo, thinking of plural sailors, there are two of them there as i read it! Thanks to Mr K for showing me the light!
Also took a while to realise that I wasn’t to look for rock groups in 4d!
I’m always full of admiration of compilers who can make up these huge anagrams as in 9d. I think I’ll plump for that as fave do jour.
Many thanks to the setter and to Mr K for the clarifications.
First Friday puzzle I’ve attempted for a while and very enjoyable it was too! I’m going to put in a shout for 14d as it’s a word that appears in one of my favourite pieces of poetry by William Wordsworth.
Thanks to the setter for a fine Friday puzzle and to Mr K
Well, well, well!!! I did not know that, neither did our far superior brains above! Easy to find, just google Wordsworth and oftentimes! You live and learn.
Merusa, according to Chambers, 14d is described as archaic, literary or N American any one of which would ideally need to be specified. I think the setter has quite correctly chosen to use an indicator, and has settled for the US option.
Really enjoyed this today. May all Friday solves be like this.
2d was my undoing as my feeble brain decided it was either livery or lively.
I have worked with many Americans and have heard 14d often(times). I don’t recall the Canadians using it when I lived there.
Thanks to all.
Finally finished, I started this morning and then came back to it after a busy day and the last few fell into place. I thought it was tricky but and some took a long time to parse but I managed without the hints. I liked 3d.
Many thanks to the setter and to Mr K for the hints.
16d is pushing it a bit I think!
You’ve changed your alias since your previous comment (in 2010 !!!). Both aliases will work from now on.
3*/3* ….
liked 8A “Changed what happened at noon? (7)”