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DT 30484

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 30484

Hints and tips by Mr K

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BD Rating  -  Difficulty **** Enjoyment ***

Hello, everyone, and welcome to Friday. I had another very late start to solving and blogging today, so I’m afraid that there wasn’t time to look for pics. I will try to do better next week. 

In the hints below most indicators are italicized, and underlining identifies precise definitions and cryptic definitions. Clicking on the answer buttons will reveal the answers. In some hints hyperlinks provide additional explanation or background. Clicking on a picture will enlarge it or display a bonus illustration and a hover (computer) or long press (mobile) might explain more about the picture. Please leave a comment telling us how you got on.

 

Across

1a    Hiding quietly, preening emu or different bird? (7,7)
EMPEROR PENGUIN:  An anagram (different) of PREENING EMU OR containing (hiding) the musical abbreviation for quietly

9a    Risk-taker puts away header, second for Wanderers (7)
AMBLERS:  A risk-taker minus their first letter (… puts away header) with the single letter for second 

10a   Pollution is eradicated, partly by this? (7)
IONISER:  The wordplay tell us that the answer is hidden in the first three words of the clue (… partly). The entire clue can serve as the definition 

11a   Get tips from Tiger Woods in golf (4)
TWIG:  Initial letters of (tips from) the last four words in the clue 

12a   Bars Galloway avoids? (6,4)
CATTLE GRID:  A cryptic definition of some bars avoided by Galloway cows 

14a   Cold house showing signs of decay (6)
CARIES:  The single letter for cold with a house of the Zodiac 

15a   Son seen splashed by new flannel (8)
NONSENSE:  An anagram (splashed) of SON SEEN comes after the single letter for new 

17a   I limit exercises, as these are part-time soldiers (8)
MILITIAS:  An anagram (… exercises) of I LIMIT with AS from the clue 

18a   Mend fences and paint? (4,2)
MAKE UP:  A double definition, the second being informal 

21a   24 is so unfair! (3,7)
NOT CRICKET:  The answer to this clue is also a true statement about the answer to 24a 

22a   Religious leader Father essentially reveres (4)
POPE:  An informal synonoym of father or dad with the middle letter (essentially) of REVERES 

24a   Game bird clipped, quiet one escapes (7)
CROQUET:  A black bird minus its last letter (clipped) with QUIET from the clue after the Roman one is deleted (… one escapes

25a   Controversial English grounds (7)
EMOTIVE:  The single letter for English with grounds or reason 

26a   Concealing something from customs, depending on circumstances? (2,3,4,3,2)
AS THE CASE MAY BE:  The answer read literally could describe something that conceals items from customs officials 

 

Down

1d    Stretchy cats lie sprawling (7)
ELASTIC:  An anagram (sprawling) of CATS LIE 

2d    Fans and family after promotion (6,9)
PUBLIC RELATIONS:  Synonyms of fans and of family 

3d    Look up part of film (4)
REEL:  The reversal (up, in a down clue) of look suggestively 

4d    Rogue artist's visit finally scrapped (6)
RASCAL:  The usual artist with their ‘S from the clue is followed by all but the last letter (finally scrapped) of a synonym of visit 

5d    Current Conservative crushed by vote in Barking gets the boot (8)
EVICTION:  The physics symbol for electric current and the single letter for Conservative are inserted together in (crushed by)  an anagram (barking, as in mad) of VOTE IN

6d    Biscuit for dunking in spirit twice? (6,4)
GINGER SNAP:  Two words that can each mean spirit 

7d    What you need to drive new car up incline, so close to calamity (9,6)
INSURANCE POLICY:  An anagram (new) of CAR UP INCLINE SO and the final letter (close to) of CALAMITY 

8d    Become indignant when wedding is announced (6)
BRIDLE:  A homophone (announced) of an adjective synonym of wedding 

13d   Fine to persevere (3-7)
SEE-THROUGH:  The answer without its hyphen can mean persevere 

16d   Stunning little number? (8)
NARCOTIC:  A cryptic definition of something that’s really good at creating numbness 

17d   Chew around centre of schnitzel in German city (6)
MUNICH:  A synonym of chew containing (around) the centre letter of SCHNITZEL 

19d   Lead piano to fade (7)
PRECEDE:  The single letter for piano with another word for fade 

20d   Parties as Knievel breaks records, exhausted (6)
REVELS:  The first name of Knievel the daredevil inserted in (breaks) the outer letters (exhausted) of RECORDS 

23d   I don't like that male bittern's call (4)
BOOM:  A word indicating dislike is followed by the single letter for male 

 

Thanks to today’s setter. Top clue for me was of course 1d. Which clues did you like best?


The Quick Crossword pun:  LAUD + BUY + RUN = LORD BYRON


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  1. Well, that certainly stretched the old grey matter. Thought more than once that I wasn’t going to finish it, but the stubborn streak in me said differently. Last two in were 12a (not much cop at livestock) and 16d, very clever.
    All in all quite brilliant clueing throughout with many smiles as it went along.
    If pushed my two favourites today were 2d and the lovely 26a.
    Lastly a quick question for Bananawarp, you said you went to school in Crowthorne and then to Bracknell college, so did I. I went to Broadmoor primary and then on to Edgebarrow, how about you?

            1. Yes indeed! Such a shame that a once great British company no longer exists. I suppose it would stand a chance in modern times with Imperial, Chemicals and Industries in its name!

              1. ICI was one of the teams we (Hewlett Packard) used to play, great place, own pitch, decent showers, own bar, what more could you need?

                1. I played for a Sunday team and we used to love playing against ICI because the facilities were so amazing.
                  Coincidentally, we were in the area last weekend and popped in to Moss End to buy a Christmas tree stand.

        1. Seems a small world here….. Lived in Bracknell for 50 odd years but born and bred in Lincolnshire. Seen Bracknell through two generations of rebuild, the latest a disaster though some praise the shopping centre. There is of course Warfield, the village, and Warfield the big new estate, never the twain shall meet.

          As for the crossword, had to go out before I finished the first time but got there in the end, quite a lot of clever clues, and of course it is Friday (again, the weeks seem to have fewer days in them nowadays).

      1. I’d left by then (1978) but my mum was still working there, Mrs Haggett, she ran the resources centre, photocopying, videoing, and the like.

  2. Wow, found this hard work but satisfying to finish! Had to go away and come back at one point.
    12a, 21a, 8d my favourites.
    Thanks to compiler and others!

  3. Very enjoyable though unusually for a back-pager I had to put it down for a while and go back to it. Amazing how that works as when I returned I wrote it all in. Some really clever wordplay construction on display here, reflecting that I particularly appreciated the &lit 10a plus 11,24&25a along with 5d.
    Many thanks to the setter and MrK

  4. 4*/2.5*. I found this tough with some stretched synonyms to negotiate along the way, e.g.: fans/public in 2d, fine/see-through in 13d, wedding/bridal in 8d. In the last case a noun is being used to clue an adjective, although the use of bridal as a noun is given in the BRB as “poetic” and Collins describes it as obsolete.

    Thanks to the setter and to Mr K.

    P.S. I was less than impressed with Plusword today, where incorrect anagram fodder was given for one of the answers.

    1. The Plusword anagram on the website is ‘get in’ ‒ or at least it was by the time I got to it. I see the paper has ‘gin, eh’.

  5. My first ever Friday finish was thwarted by 16d, which I stared at for an absolute age. Cross with myself as I’ve seen a similar clue before. Oh, well.

    I particularly liked 9a and 14a.

  6. Phew! I got there in the end with the Home Counties holding me up for a while.

    Some great surfaces and, for a change, quite a few short clues, taking a leaf out of Sir Brevity’s book. My LOI was 23d which was a fun clue as was 21a. I didn’t know the spelling of the stuntman’s first name.

    14a has had an excellent run-out in 2023 giving nevertheless a run for its money.

    There are many clues to choose from for my fave three but I’ll go with 12a, 13d and 16d.

    Many thanks to the setter and Mr K.

    4*/4*

  7. I am glad to see I was not alone in finding this particularly tricky, even for a Friday. Even though a couple of the synonyms were somewhat stretched, one has to assume that they have been checked at editorial level to make it into the paper. Anyway, despite those misgivings this was rewarding to solve if not right out of the top drawer in terms of enjoyment. 20d was my favourite.

    My thanks to our setter and Mr K.

  8. As tricky as we’re likely to get on the back page but enjoyable – thanks to our setter and Mr K.
    My podium has 12a, 26a and 16d on it.

  9. There was a different feel about today’s challenge with some novel, perhaps far-fetched, indicators as per 15a and 1d. Once again 14a house took a while to dawn. Needed help with 20d. 7d is not necessarily the case. Altogether a lot of fun. Thank you compiler and MrK.

  10. Suitably tricky for a Friday, but not very enjoyable. Stretched constructions, some rather “out there” synonyms, and 6 anagrams for only 28 clues is rather pushing it.

    3.5* / 1*

    Thank you setter but sorry, not one for me today. Thanks also to MrK.

  11. Well I feel a bit better having read the first few comments & seen our reviewer’s difficulty rating. I breezed through this (albeit with my biscuit unparsed – saw gin & snap) until hitting the brick wall of last in 16d, which turned a comfortable sub ** time solve into pushing *** time. A very enjoyable guzzle though for me it didn’t quite hit the heights of the splendid ones of the last two days. Particularly liked the connected 21&24a plus the topicality of 5d.
    Thanks to the setter & to Mr K.

  12. Anyone else got under the Big Dave header an Ad entitled 30 curious wedding rituals with a pic beside it ? I have absolutely no idea what ritual is being enacted

  13. Think I possibly broke my record for the number of ‘hmms’ scribbled on my paper but I’m pleased to see that this was enjoyed by some of our number. The only clue that raised a smile here was 24d – I well remember the elation I felt when hearing it for the first time.

    Thanks to Zandio (must be) for his efforts and to Mr K for the review.

  14. Gosh, that made for a very long breakfast, almost eating into golfing time!
    Wasn’t really convinced by 26a until Mr I’d review. But really liked the memories evoked by the 20d stuntman and the reminder of what bitterns sound like in 23d, joint faves!
    Thanks to the compiler and to MrK.

    1. Agreed. Hiding isn’t really an anagam indicator and even if it was it’s in the wrong position in the clue – it’s a containment indicator to hide the P in the answer. Also, the P (quietly, in music) would need to be on view in the clue if it was to be included in the anagram fodder.

  15. Heck, that was a teaser and no mistake! I might have solved 12a sooner had Friesian been used and I took a ridiculously long time to get 14a. I liked the 21a/24a connection but my COTD is the smuggling attempt at 26a.

    Thank you to the setter for the brain bashing. Thank you, Mr. K. for the hints.

  16. Certainly a tough puzzle, like Fridays of old, some very likeable clues as per 12a and 24a creating 21a.
    Took a while to solve 26a which helped with the SW corner.
    Going for a ****/***, last in was 8d as the definition was related to a wedding, I noted Gazzas comments regarding this.
    Spot on Quickie.

  17. I thoroughly enjoyed this despite it being a little anagram heavy for me. Some of the synonyms needéd extra thinking time but the only clue that I still can’t parse to my satisfaction, despite the hint, is 6d. I can just about see ginger as spirit but snap….?? Still, lots to like, especially 12a, today’s favourite, along with the combination of 21 and 24a and 13d. Thanks to today’s setter and Mr K.

    1. Hi Mhids.

      I saw 6d as the first word twice, i.e the second word is the card game, meaning you say it when there’s two of them. Hence the question mark.

      If the second word is a straight definition, there wouldn’t be a need for one.

      1. TDS65, 6d. I assume the answer is two synonyms for spirit, in the sense of energy/vigour. But now, you’ve got me thinking …

          1. Yes, the second word can mean vigour/energy/spirit. I think “spirit twice” is just triggering 2 synonyms of “spirirt”. I’m guessing the ? is there to signify it’s such a bizarre suggestion in the surface read – dunking biscuits in liquid spirit! But your card game theory could be right, who knows? Also, maybe we’ve both missed something – you never know. Still,it’s good to natter about these things.

            1. Absolutely.

              If the second word means ‘spirit’ then maybe I’m wrong though I’ve never heard it meaning that.

              Maybe someone can give me an example.

              My card game could be too cryptic to be right.

              As you say, it’s all good fun.

              1. I’m not sure which is the preferred construction, but it can mean spirit in a close enough fashion, as in (if I remember correctly) the old Rice Krispies advert ‘snap, crackle and pop’, or a bowler with a nice snap to his action, and there must be others…..
                I hadn’t thought of the card game idea, but very much like it!

              2. I seem to have opened a can of worms! I’m very taken with your snap game Tom, so I’m happy to settle for that unless the setter pops in to clarify matters.

                1. It would be nice to know.

                  I think the card game is a lot more fun. Well, I smiled when I thought that was what they were getting at.

            2. My last effort…

              Answering Jose’s comment about the question mark being there as it’s bizarre….if it was bizarre, wouldn’t it be an exclamation mark?

              Oh, God knows?

              Either way, the case for the defence rests, m’lord.

  18. A slow start but my daughter’s school carol concert seemed to recharge my grey cells as it all fell into place after I returned. Perhaps it was the mulled wine. 13d gets my vote.

    Thanks to today’s setter and Mr K.

  19. Also a slow start. Knocked off the W before bed last night and sleeping on the rest probably helped. A good number of clues went in due to having other lettersr, not because I figured them out.

    After 4 wonderful days of puzzles, a bit of a wake up call.

  20. A fun puzzle for a Friday that was a good solve for me. No hangups and some great clues.

    1.5*/3.5* for me

    Favourites include 1a, 15a, 21a, 6d & 7d — with winner 6d

    Thanks to setter and Mr K

  21. My farm animal knowledge, thought atrophied through disuse, came to my aid with the wonderful 12a. However, despite regular use of 16ds (professionally) this was my LOI. Or so I thought, but the app told my I’d misspelled the species at 1a, bringing the whole profession into disrepute.
    Great fun, **/**** for me. If I had that gift, this is puzzle I would like to have set.
    Many thanks to the admirable MrK and setter.

    1. I remembered the cattle, I’m not sure we haven’t had that before. I never understood why Scottish cattle should have an Irish name? Maybe I should google.

  22. An excellent puzzle, just up my street. Fine clues, a toughish challenge and a good tussle. Favourite of a fine bunch: 24a. 4*/4.5*.

  23. Sorry everyone – this one was way beyond me.
    There were a few that beat me even after I’d read the hint and I don’t ‘get’ or ’11a’ some of the answers.
    In other words although I’m sure this is a terribly clever crossword and that others will love it it’s not one for me.
    I really enjoyed the very appropriate anagram at 1d.
    Thanks to our setter whoever he, or she, and thanks too to Mr K.

  24. I’m in the tricky camp as well. I had the same reservations as others, still I got there in the end. Favourite was 12a. Thanks to the setter and Mr. K.

  25. I hope it’s ok to post a question not related to today’s puzzle. I’ve started trying The Times crossword and wondered if anyone knows of a blog as good as this one. The only one I’ve found so far reveals the answers as well as the explanations.

    1. Hi A10pm – the only useful Times site I’ve found is Times For The Times, which I imagine may be the one to which you refer. It is invaluable “after the event” for understanding the (very different style of) clueing employed in Times puzzles, however rather frustrating that the answers are all exposed – and although the site name is a bit of a giveaway, the declaration of solving times for the puzzles is nonetheless a major downside.

      It really makes you appreciate the wisdom of Big Dave’s philosophy in setting up this welcoming & wonderful site, and the kindness and generosity of the daily bloggers in providing all the hints!

    2. The only blog for The Times that I am aware of is Times for the Times, but as you have already gathered, they do not conceal the answers behind spoilers. The contributors are also completely open about how long the puzzle took them, something which BD will not allow – quite rightly, in my opinion.

  26. Tad late to the party but I hugely enjoyed this. 18a and 13d were especially jolly. 6d was rather cheeky and is 25a really controversial? Hmm. But it was a delight – very Friday-worthy. Many thanks to setter, and Mr K, of course.

  27. So we have a Toughie and an even trickier Toughie on offer today. Nothing for us less than Mensa folks. I’m beginning to enjoy Wordle, Spelling Bee etc. more than what the DT decides to offer. I expect Fridays to be brainteasers, but this one is OTT. I should have taken Mr K’s warning of **** to heart.

    1. Came back at lunch time and worked my way through several of the across hints. That at least gave me a foothold, and I was able to get a lot of down answers from the checkers. But it was more hints than I like to use, so definitely above my pay grade today. Did not know the cows, nor the word for decay. Probably somewhat due to a restless night worrying about youngest daughter having surgery first thing for a semi detached retina, which went well thank goodness. Thanks to Mr K for helping me actually finish the puzzle.

  28. I’M MADDER’N A WET HEN!
    Yes, I’m shouting, got your attention, right? This morning I’m unable to get the crossword on the old site. Ive printed it off but the print is so fine I need to use a magnifying glass. I only have one eye and that’s not great. Has Mr. Whatsit Editor ever tried to solve a crossword holding a magnifying glass in one hand? To boot, I see it’s **** so maybe I’m not missing much.
    A POX ON BOTH THEIR HOUSES!

    1. Truly frustrating. I tried to send you a link to the old site Cryptic, but seems it didn’t work. Perhaps someone else on here can help?

  29. Couldn’t get 20d because I had mistakenly used the word evil instead of evel grrrr. Not as difficult as some Friday offerings of late. 16d held me up even though I’ve seen it or the like before. So many good clues it’s difficult to choose but 12a just nicks it.
    Thanks to all.

  30. Beyond my pay grade today, as ground to a halt with over half the grid to go and resorted to the hints. With this added assistance, there was much to admire in retrospect. Hats off to the compiler and to Mr K for the hints.

  31. Managed most of this before looking at the hints, for which thanks Mr K. As others have said, there were more than the usual number of stretched definitions today, I thought, which spoilt it a bit. I used to wish DT crosswords would be consistent about indicating foreign words. I have never heard an English person call their dad ‘pop’ (the answer to 22a didn’t register until I had the ‘o’ from 7d as a result). So I have heard as many call their father ‘vater’, or ‘far’, or ‘père’. I looked at the BRB and I didn’t see it include father as a definition of pop (although the ODE includes it as ‘chiefly US’). On the other hand the BRB does include père as an entry. I imagine including a US indicator in 22a’s clue might have made it too easy for a Friday. So, if pop can be an unindicated foreign word, I am going to assume that any foreign word can be unindicated too so long as you can find an entry for it in any dictionary purported to be of English (e.g. père has an entry in the BRB). Favourite was 21a.

    1. BRB does in fact give Papa as a definition of pop. The 3rd entry for pop refers one to poppa which then shows pop as a short form of Papa. It’s origin is however attributed to N America.

      1. We must have different versions of the BRB Mhids. Mine doesn’t have an entry like that under ‘pop’ itself, but having looked again it has a discrete headline entry for ‘poppa’, which it defines as ‘Papa’. So in my version of the BRB, ‘pop’ turns out to be a truncated version of ‘poppa’. Prolixic’s guide says it is best practice to avoid indirect abbreviations. Here, according to my BRB, we have got Father -> Papa -> Poppa -> abbreviated to pop (chiefly US). Although, as I say, the ODE does include it directly. Its third definition of pop is simply ‘(chiefly US) informal term for father’.

  32. I am feeling rather pleased to have got to the end with only 16d needing the hints, especially after seeing the comments. It was challenging but fortunately I had time to return several times and I must confess several answers were guesses confirmed by the digital check answer function. However it is testament to this sites ‘training’ that I was able to get as far as I did, I certainly needed the hints to understand a few of my answers eg 12a. I liked the 21a/24a combo. In the last week several puzzles have included synonyms that I have learnt and I am pleased I remembered them.

    Many thanks to the setter and to Mr K for the explanations

    1. I agree with you regard the training this site gives, MissTFide. I am amazed at what I have learned about solving cryptic crosswords since I joined in 2019.

      1. I hope your wife is coping in hospital, it’s a frustrating time to not be at home. Thinking of you both and hoping things improve soon.

      2. You are right about this site Steve, it really helps you understand the whys and wherefores of cryptic puzzles. Hope Mrs C is home with you soon.

  33. First, a thousand thanks to Gazza for his kindly sending me the puzzle. I was pretty bad tempered and in a “pet” this morning and he smoothed my ruffled feathers. I was four shy of finishing, one of those, 16d, probably because I had the wrong answer at 17a. I was able to get enough checkers on first read through, then get some more with ehelp, and so on. I feel pretty smug as I remembered “house” in 14a. I liked quite a lot, 21a, a favourite of my Mum’s, she out-Brit the Brits, well, she was one and never forgot it. Fave is 12a, talk about breviloquence!
    Thank you setter for the brain mangling, and to Mr. K for explaining so much.

  34. Good evening
    By the cringe! That took some doing; talk about fits and starts. I began by staring at the grid and then filling in five solutions. I then had a creative fit, filling in everything but the SW quadrant, and then – a dead stop!
    Fortunately my darling wife was here to keek over my shoulder and get 21a, which spurred me on to deduce 24a, which was the last to fall and is my COTD.
    Many thanks to our compiler and to Mr K

  35. Iwas unable to finish this diabolically difficult guzzle, as my husband is in the John Radcliffe hospital in Oxford and I had to catch avlift in to visit him. I, like others, found some of the synonyms very puzzling. However, like Stephen L, abreakseems to have helped me finish when I came home this evening. I liked the 1a anagram and the geographical lego clue at 17d. 2d was very cleverly put together but it took ages to figure irmt out. Tha ks to the compiler and to Mr K for the hints

  36. Thank you everyone, and thanks to Mr K for the blog.

    “Bars Galloway avoids?” was of course a reference to the Telegraph’s favourite politician George Galloway, who’s quite well known to be a teetotaller. (He was in the news for getting into an argument with a local pub/brewery after they moaned on Twitter that he was the only local election candidate who hadn’t dropped in for a drink!)

    Mhids et al @18, I intended two definitions of spirit, as in lively energy, mettle. More disappointment for Tom, but both satisfied by thesauruses (as are any ‘stretched synonyms’ – I know the editor makes sure of that).
    I’m not sure about other spirits, but dipping ginger biscuits in hot whisky/whiskey is an old tradition for some. Haven’t tried it but I’m willing to volunteer.

    Mark @32, I’d have used a US indicator for mom, but I don’t really think pop needs it. I’ve known a handful of Brits to use it unironically, and of course there’s H E Bates’s Pop Larkin.
    I still remember a witticism from the BBC quiz game They Think It’s All Over where they were discussing the real-life incident of a football fan who’d been denied entry to the stadium because he was carrying an urn of his father’s ashes. Nick Hancock: “It’s coming to something when you can’t even take a container of pop into a football ground.”

    1. Thanks for a fab crossword, Mr Tumble.

      Chris Calder gave me a couple of great examples for snap. So, I’m a happy camper…..well, as happy as a disappointing person can be.

      The question mark threw me. May I ask the reason for using it?

      I totally agree with you about Pop, btw. It’s been used here for yonks.

      Thanks again. Very enjoyable.

      👏👏

      1. Thank you, Tom. The question mark there relates to the biscuit itself, not the wordplay. Even though I’ve read about some kind of ginger biscuit being dipped in whisky, I can’t be sure it was specifically a ginger snap, and also most people wouldn’t have even considered eating it that way, so the surface-reading is kind of speculative.

    2. Thanks for dropping in T & claiming ownership & confirming Stephen’s hunch. Glad I enjoyed it & hope we get another of your puzzles soon.

    3. Well done and thanks to T for stepping in (and at at such a late hour) with info/confirmation. Let’s have more of this from all the setters, please!

    4. Thanks Twm. That takes me back; I used to like They Think it’s All Over. I am musing over this partly because I am having a go at writing a crossword. That’s partly to put Prolixic’s guide into context, and I think it helps to understand what Chris Lancaster is saying in his book. Knowing the ‘rules’ helps to make crosswords seem fairer, to me anyway. I also understand where setters are coming from better, e.g. I have more sympathy for words that get onto Terence’s ‘List’! I struggle with whether to indicate foreign words. I take it from what you say, you don’t think that is necessary when the word has been used to some degree by English people unironically. So, for example, ‘mangetout’ couldn’t be used to mean ‘my pleasure’ without indication as it’s a Delboyism that people use humorously. But voilà could be used to mean ‘behold’ without indicating it’s French as it’s in the BRB (said to be originally French).

      1. I suppose it follows that if it is ok to clue without indication a foreign word used by some English people in some areas of the UK, all dialects are ok to use unindicated (assuming they’ve got into reasonably wide circulation, at least at some point). So a clue like ‘without money (4)’ would be ok, the answer being ‘baht’. The Baht is the Thai currency and ‘baht’ means ‘without’ in Yorkshire (as in ‘on Ilkla Moor baht ‘at)’.

        1. I’m not sure about that particular one even with a dialect indicator (it isn’t in Chambers), but I guess some dialect terms in the dictionary will have achieved wider coverage – which is probably why they’re in the dictionary!

          1. Ah yes! Oops! ‘On Ilkley Moor baht ‘at’ is quite a famous song nationally (it has appeared in numerous shows from the Goon Show through to The Great British Sewing Bee), but I forgot to check the dictionary! Thanks for your views Twm.

      2. I broadly agree with your examples. I think cluing voilà as, say, ‘there it is’ without any reference to French is fine; but obviously what I think is less important than what the crossword editor thinks.
        I think I clued a three-letter synonym for a beast of burden as ‘behind’ in a Rookie puzzle, and was told by Prolixic (and perhaps others) that a US indicator was required. My feeling was that it was well known enough in the UK not to need it, and that I’d seen it from Anax (who has also written a guide for this site) without one. But I had to concede that ultimately it’s not generally used in UK speech. Pop, though, despite being more widespread in the US, does have some history in Britain, so there’s a stronger argument for it.
        Good luck getting everyone on one side of a bone of contention!

  37. For 12a, I wrote cattle prod, but I guess cattle grid is more valid. Either answer completes the crossword without affecting any of the other clues.

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