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DT 30374

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 30374

Hints and tips by 2Kiwis

BD Rating – Difficulty *** Enjoyment ***

Kia ora from Aotearoa.

Today started off as a crisp frosty morning but then it clouded over and started raining when we were out for our constitutional. Arrived home quite damp. Makes the recuperative coffee taste even better.
Another fine Wednesday puzzle that felt quite anagram heavy, particularly with the longer answers, and they were cleverly constructed clues.

Please leave a comment telling us how you got on.

Across

1a     Healthy muscle protects this gland (6)
THYMUS : A lurker, (indicated by protects), hiding in the clue.

5a     The sound of fun has Liberal going for Democrat progeny (8)
DAUGHTER : Start with a word that can mean the sound of fun and replace its initial L(iberal) with D(emocrat).

9a     Strangely quiet on trip north for emergency treatment (10)
TOURNIQUET : A trip or journey and N(orth) are followed by an anagram (strangely) of QUIET.

10a     Clean coat used by artist (4)
WASH : A double definition. The coat refers to a medium sometimes used by artists.

11a     On trial, a criminal must be reasonable (8)
RATIONAL : An anagram (criminal) of ON TRIAL A.

12a     In a hurry, seeing cast following game (6)
RUSHED : The two letters for New Zealand’s national game and then cast or throw off.

13a     Borders of Thebes after Peter the Great, say (4)
TSAR : The first and last letters (borders) of two words in the clue.

15a     Legally restrict container port on channel (4,4)
BIND OVER : A type of container that often contains things in bulk and a port on the English Channel.

18a     Frenchman’s address confusing us in Rome (8)
MONSIEUR : An anagram (confusing) of US IN ROME.

19a     Accommodation producing hurtful remarks (4)
DIGS : A double definition. The accommodation could well house students.

21a     Area twice invaded by unknown meadow plant (6)
AZALEA : A mathematical unknown is contained by two uses of A(rea) and then a meadow where a lowing herd might slowly wind its way.

23a     Soldiers will cut duty and get rid of spirit (8)
EXORCISE : Duty or tax contains the two letters for low-ranked soldiers.

25a     Former ace catching cold (4)
ONCE : The number represented by ace contains C(old).

26a     Remove traces of oil — a better fluid (10)
OBLITERATE : An anagram (fluid) of OIL A BETTER.

27a     Feature supporting European supremo (8)
FOREHEAD : A three letter word meaning supporting, then E(uropean) plus supremo or top.

28a     A king must take part in optimistic prayers (6)
ROSARY : Optimistic or sanguine contains ‘A’ from the clue and the letter indicating royalty.

Down

2d     Commotion from ducks in hotels beginning to alarm (3-2)
HOO-HA : Two cricket ducks are contained by two H(otels). Then the first letter of alarm.

3d     Understand artist interrupting planet’s festival (5,4)
MARDI GRAS : A three letter word for understand or get and a Royal Academician are inside the next planet out from ours.

4d     Pub in heaven needing food? (6)
SKINNY : Heaven, or the firmament, contains a tavern.

5d     Bluebeard rolled off names like these (6-9)
DOUBLE-BARRELLED : An anagram (off) of BLUEBEARD ROLLED.

6d     Saying “Get it and run off” (8)
UTTERING : An anagram (off) of GET IT and RUN.

7d     During vacation, wife cries (5)
HOWLS : An informal word for a vacation or break contains W(ife).

8d     Seasonal treat, say, entertaining Daisy for example (6,3)
EASTER EGG : A plant closely related to the daisy is followed by the two letter abbreviation of the Latin ‘for example’. All of this is enclosed by the same abbreviation, this time clued by
‘say’.

14d     Doors fan confused about variable emphasis playing music (9)
SFORZANDO : An anagram (confused) of DOORS FAN contains a mathematical variable.

16d     Grievances created by the Reverend Spooner’s blisters …? (3,6)
OLD SCORES : A type of blisters, usually around the mouth, get given a variation of the Reverend Spooner’s treatment.

17d     … not to mention abandoned with no following (3,5)
LET ALONE : Start with a 4,5 expression meaning abandoned and remove the f(ollowing).

20d     Weapon that’s used by bricklayer (6)
MORTAR : What a bricklayer will use to join bricks together.

22d     Subject of story gone on vacation (5)
LIEGE : A story or untruth and then the first and last letters of gone.

24d     Took a seat with your lecherous man (5)
SATYR : A word meaning took a seat and the abbreviation for ‘your’.

Quickie pun    beard     +    here    =    Be a dear

102 comments on “DT 30374

  1. Well, this was a game of three halves if ever there was (or were, I never know which) one.
    Top half; sprinting on a track, most of bottom half; walking in sand, small SW corner; crawling in treacle.
    27a, 22d and 14d took as long as the rest of it put together, the first two I got through sheer bloody-mindedness, the last one, 14d, needed the help of the LBB (Minster Crossword Dictionary)
    Very hard for a midweek offering, but got there (almost) unaided. Favourite of the day was 9a, something I was trained to apply, but thankfully never have had to. Thanks to our sadist today, good fun, now for some paracetamol.

  2. This felt about right for a mid-week, some thought required in places but solved at a steady rate. 4d was my favourite today. Thanks to the 2Ks and today’s setter.

  3. A fairly gentle puzzle today, with my last one in being 27a.

    As much as I try, the Spooner clue doesn’t work for me……

    2*/4* – Many thanks to the setter and to the 2Kiwis.

      1. That’s not a spoonerism though – you have to swap the initial letters of 2 words, not just move one random lettter somewhere else.

  4. A pleasant midweek puzzle – thanks to the setter and 2Ks.
    I don’t think 16d quite works as a Spoonerism (which is probably why the clue has a question mark).
    The clues which made my podium were 15a, 27a and 17d.

    1. I agree, Gazza, re 16d. It doesn’t work for me. This clue prevented me from completing the crossword.

    2. 16d down isn’t a Spoonerism at all in my book – or a “variation” of one. It would be if the answer was SOLD CORES.

      1. Agreed, not a fan of that one at all. Also maybe SCOLD ORES, for those particularly mischievous minerals!

        1. SCOLD ORES doesn’t work as a Spoonerism because there’s no dual/mutual transposing or swapping. It’s just a one-way movement.

        2. Special Agent B was having a bit of a giggle, Jose.

          Good to see you spelling mischievous correctly, AB. None of this mischievious palaver.

          Particularly mischievous minerals….marvellous.

          1. I’m sure he was having a giggle, TS65. But all those people who can’t fathom out what a Spoonerism is in the first place won’t know that and their confusion will be magnified. Today’s blog has set my “pro-Spoonerism clue” campaign back by at least a decade! And I mean traditional Spoonerisms only. Grrrrrrr …

            1. It’s a disaster or should that be Sid ar*e, ta.

              I love a roonespism in crosswords; they’re great fun.

              The recent Sentences/Ten senses was a pearler.

          2. Haha thanks Tom, but it’s all good, Jose is a purist and I respect that 👍 Anyway I’ve been doing appalling spoonerisms since I was a knee whipper 😁😁

            I have two ‘cluenerisms’ written for future crosswords but after today’s comments I’m not sure they’ll ever be used 🤣

  5. Off to a good start by seeing 1 and 5a immediately, followed by many of the downs from those checking letters. The SE corner held out the longest and I had to dig very deeply into my erstwhile musical knowledge to retrieve 14d. A little anagram heavy for me but otherwise a good variety of clue types with some clever misdirection and amusing references. Favourite today is 8d supported by 27a and 3d. I also liked the Spoonerism. Thanks to the setter and the 2 Kiwis.

  6. Some clever misdirection in this puzzle led to a fair bit of reverse engineering of the parsing. There were some lovely anagrams, COTD being 14d, which I have seen in lots of musical scores, whilst singing inca choir. 9a and 4d were runners up in the anagram stakjesvand I likeed the misdirection in, the21a lego clue. Thanks to the compiler for an enjoyable, if Ghallenging guzzle. Thanks also to the Kiwis. I read the description of their chilly Winter walk after asweltering session pulling ou t theweeds in my vegetable patch

  7. Pretty straightforward this one, I thought, with not too many pauses on my way to completion. 14d was new to me, but it had to be what is was given the fodder, so one to lock away for future reference, and presumably forget. 27a was my favourite, ahead of 5d.

    My thanks to our setter and the 2Ks. The Toughie is well worth a visit today.

  8. Entries like 14d always make me think the setter was clutching at straws but perhaps his musical knowledge is simply very extensive!
    A few clues which would have benefitted from better surface reads but I did put ticks alongside 9&15a.

    Thanks to Robyn (?) and to our damp 2Ks for the review. Loved the piece in today’s DT nature notes from which I learned that Spoonbill chicks are referred to as ‘teaspoons’!

    1. On 14d, my view is that every setter has a ‘Little Black Book’ containing ‘words that I have discovered that I must get into a crossword’ and for Robyn(?) this musical term is one of his.

      1. I’ve got a medium red book (MRB) full of such words and in the mid 80s managed to get pulchritudinous and callipygian into the same puzzle.

  9. Thanks, setter, for 14d.
    It enabled me to
    Get 25a, my last in.
    Thanks, also, for the
    Long anagrams of 26a and
    5d, greatly assisted getting
    Quite a few.
    Challenging and satisfying
    To complete.
    Thanks 2Kiwis.

  10. An enjoyable midweek challenge although 14d would not have been missed – 2.5*/3.5*

    Candidates for favourite – 9a, 12a, 21a, 23a, and 24d – and the winner is 21a.

    Thanks to Robyn(?) and the 2Kiwis.

  11. I did todays guzzle waiting for the car to have its MOT. It failed so I’m without the Land Rover for couple of weeks. My Citroen Ami electric is going to be busy!
    I found the puzzle to be the proverbial curate’s egg and found some of it somewhat obscure as the variable musical emphasis at 14d. That must make The List. I don’t like Spoonerisms and today’s did not make sense to me so I must be missing something. My COTD is the subject on holiday at 22d.

    My thanks to the setter for the guzzle. Many thanks, 2Ks for the hints.

    1. Surely there is no strict rule on spoonerisms. Muddling up a couple of letters to make an amusingly different saying or remark is fine by me

  12. A solid midweeker with some excellent anagrams, e,g 5d.

    14d is fantastic, it really is. I biffed the answer thinking ‘Surely not?’.

    Marvellous.

    I am a big fan of our reverend in residence but this one just doesn’t work. I appreciate that, when one of the words begins with a vowel, the compiler asks for a bit of latitude but putting the second letter of the second word at the start of the first isn’t a spoonerism. One question mark means the compiler is hiding behind a cushion, saying ‘Let me off?’. But, in this case, it needs 10 question marks. I am very surprised that Lis Chrancaster okayed it.

    Saying that, it doesn’t take too much away from this enjoyable puzzle.

    My podium is 27a, 5d and 9a (great clue)

    3*/4*

  13. What a funny one! Thought we were in for another toughie as I was half way down before starting to get some checkers, but then all went in v smoothly after that. Going to have to change my name to ‘Lurker again’ as failed to spot 1a until greasy Tuesday provided the M. (55 years ago I knew all those bits of anatomy)
    Lots of faves, but did like 15a as the gateway to the land of 18a, joint fave, since I live there!
    V many thanks to the setter and the pair of Kiwis.

  14. 16d seems fine to me. Spoonerisms aren’t always a swap of the opening letters; they can also be exchanges of corresponding letters.
    One of the few attributed to Spooner that seem to be genuine is “Kinquering Congs Their Titles Take” when announcing a hymn.

    1. The BRB defines spoonerism as “a transposition of initial sounds of spoken words” and Collins has it as “the transposition of the initial consonants or consonant clusters of a pair of words”. I can’t see how 14d (which just involves moving one letter from the start of the first word to a random place in the second word with nothing moved in the other direction) qualifies.

    2. T. The Spoonerism you quote is a straightforward/normal one – where the initial sounds/letters of two words in a phrase are transposed. So, “Conquering Kings” has become “Kinquering Congs”. 16d doesn’t adhere to that structure at all.

  15. Found this very heavy going. Struggled to see anagram and inclusion indicators, put in some atrocious spelling mistakes, and parsed just about everything incorrectly! Thanks to setter, not your fault I was being dim, and to the 2Ks for help.

  16. 14d? Straight onto THE LIST. No committee meeting required. Honestly! Do admit! (™ Nancy Mitford)

    Thanks to the setter for the challenge (™ Steve Cowling) but I found this one very tricky indeed, and dashed off to New Zealand for help more than once.

    Thanks to the setter and The TwoKays

  17. Loved 14d, probably because I spotted it quickly. Didn’t click 15a so a dnf but great fun

  18. My electronic version only had Peter not Peter The Great for 13a which made it a bit of a head scratcher until I had the down clues running through it

    Other than that an enjoyable solve

    Thanks to the setter and the 2K’s (especially for 14d)

  19. A bit of a struggle today – never heard of the 1a gland or the 14d musical term. And didn’t really get the parsing of 5d (I know it’s an anagram but what does Bluebeard have to do with these types of names particularly?) or 17d. Got there in the end though with COTD being … actually am not sure what my COTD was. Thanks to the setter and the 2Ks for the hints. Sunshine today so the BBQ will be put to use this evening – hurrah!

  20. Not my favourite puzzle this week. Many clues I found hard to parse and even when I had the answer to some, still could not workout the parsing. Not the setters fault, just me not on his/her wavelength.

    3.5*/2* for me today

    Favourites were 9a, 15a, 18a, 17d & 20d with winner 9a

    Never heard of 14d … could have lived without that one.
    Quickie pun doesn’t work for me, either.
    Overall not a good puzzle day.

    Thanks to setter and 2K’s for blog/hints

  21. I’m with portcoquitlambc on this one. I tried for ages to put two unknowns into area at 21a, and by the time I got to 14d, followed by a Spoonerism at 16d, I realized this one is not my cup of tea. 20d did bring a smile, but I didn’t find much fun in today’s puzzle. With Thursday and Friday coming up, I’m already looking forward to Saturday 😊. I’m probably just antsy as I have an ENT appointment this morning. Thanks to setter and especially hats off to 2Kiwis.

  22. Happily solving electronically in the car on the way home from Aldeburgh. Three to go is the SW corner and I pressed the ‘reveal all’ button by mistake. Hand on heart though I would never have solved 14d and I did music for A level. Apart from that I enjoyed the tussle. Should have left Aldeburgh on Friday but have been feeling rather unwell so will be happier in my own bed but so sorry to have missed the little boat trip from Orford to see the birds. Hey ho but nothing like your own nest when you feel under the weather. Thanks to the setter and the 2 Kiwis. Now to tackle the Toughie which CS have given one star so just perhaps in my pay grade.

    1. Sorry to hear you’re unfit for oysters and twitching at Orford, Manders. Looking forward to some birdie news another time.
      GET WELL SOON!

      1. Thanks all. Amazingly a doctor rang me this pm and I have an appointment tomorrow morning.

  23. Enjoyed this puzzle very much. Struggled a bit with the bottom two clues. I didn’t know that 28d is also prayers. I do now!

    14d seems fair enough to me. True, maybe not seen as frequently as some terms but nevertheless it (sfz) is a common musical instruction. Definitely no more obscure, perhaps, than some cricket phrases to those that don’t know the game. I played cricket in my youth so I’m happy to see them, but I imagine “yorker” (a recent example) would mean absolutely nothing to someone unfamiliar with cricket.

  24. Beaten by 14 and 21. I now have to add music terms & plants to my growing list of subjects I have little knowledge of. But I only do it for fun so who cares. Thanks to all 😊

  25. On the trickier side for me but I did get their in the end, it helped that I knew 14d and although I shudder when I see Spooner mentioned I managed to get it with the checkers in place. 9a was my favourite. I enjoyed the variety of clues and was lucky to get on wavelength but did need a long gap for the answers to work themselves out in my head.

    Many thanks to the setter and the 2 kiwis.

  26. A nice enough Wednesday puzzle. Good clues (except 16d), a middling challenge and an enjoyable solve. Fav: 27a. 3*/3*, including a deduction of 0.5* (Enjoyment) for 16d.

    *Considering that Spoonerisms do already have a bit of a bad press, allowing flawed clues like 16d just makes the situation worse!

  27. This was, to me, harder than the last two Toughies. For me, the enjoyment in a cryptic is in the working out, so the point often seems to be lost when I can’t parse due to GK difficulties. Consequently, pleased to see 14d went straight into the ‘List’. It may have been an anagram, but it starts with two highly unlikely letters in the English language. I didn’t have the time or patience to research the obscure second definition in 10a, but got the answer. I completed 21a as it’s one of the few plants I know, but like others started off trying to parse it with two unknowns, and thought the plant does grow in meadows. Again, guessed the answer, but still don’t know what the low ranked soldier in 23a is. Again, I got the answers, but I’m not in favour of using very dated colloquialisms such as in 19a and 3d, which in the latter sense at least didn’t really make it beyond the 1970s. The clue in 5d seems to suggest that the answer is like Bluebeard, but it is not really; for example, who would say Hardcastle or Johnson are 5d. 16d is not really a Spoonerism, and they are difficult enough when correctly identified. I saw the answer for 17d, but can any word be an abbreviation? Otherwise, this was entertaining and accessible.

    1. The abbreviation for “following” is found in academic references where, for example, “17f” denotes “page 17 and the following page” (I.e., pages 17 and 18).

      1. Thanks Falcon. I have just looked in a selection of academic books and didn’t find a single instance of this. Is this practice common in a particular area of academia and/or maybe in a particular country or countries? It seems an obscure use in any event.

        1. I’m afraid can’t answer your question about the areas of usage of the abbreviation. However, it is listed in Collins and Chambers. I recall that the now defunct Oxford Dictionaries Online (Lexico) provided usage examples. By the way, the plural is ff. (i.e., 17ff. Indicates page 17 and following pages).

          1. Thanks Falcon. I’ve looked in Chambers and there seem to be over 20 words that could be used to indicate ‘f’, so it appears that while not every word can be an abbreviation for a letter, there are lots that can. Although, I imagine one of the f abbreviations will never appear in a DT crossword!

            I guess ff probably stands for ‘following folios’. I think it’s also a musical notation for ‘very loud’. Crossword setters seem to like using musical notations. Off piste, that leads me to recall that there was a crossword recently where ‘high’ was equated with ‘loud’. I didn’t really understand that as it seems to need another word like ‘volume’ to go after it. But that’s water under the bridge that perhaps will not return.

    2. I don’t understand your criticism of 5d.
      It is a straight forward anagram, the indicator being ‘off’.
      I am sure the setter was not referring to Bluebeard when using ‘these’ in his clue.

      1. I recognised the anagram indicator and got the answer soon enough. I didn’t see the words ‘like these’ as misdirection as you can’t make any other sensible 6-9 out of the anagram so I assumed they were there to assist (otherwise, why are they there). If you are right I simply don’t like the surface read. I probably would have found the wording clunky even if the word ‘names’ were to be replaced with, say, ‘shotguns’. I would have liked it better if Bluebeard had been hyphenated, but I suspect there will be a number of the denizens of crosswordland saying that would make it too easy!

    3. I wouldn’t look too much into whether or not Bluebeard rattles off these sort of names when he does his morning roll call Mark.

      Admittedly, it’s highly unlikely that a double-barrelled surname was one of his crew in days of yore. It’s just to make the clue work which is perfectly okay in Crosswordland.

      It’s apt that double-barrelled is hypenated, btw.

      I’d be surprised if the second half of 10a is obscure as I’ve heard of it and am no artist. I often hear 19a being used and 3d is very much alive: Rapper Ice Cube did a video called ‘Can you dig it?’ in 2020. I’m so down with the kidz.

      1. I had never heard of “can you dig it” by Ice Cube, but now you mention it, I do recall “can you dig it” by the Mock Turtles, who had a top twenty hit with a song called that in 1991. Even so, if someone used the word ‘dig’ in that sense in normal talk where I live, they would get side eye! Perhaps that’s the thing. What the denizens of Crosswordland find familiar, I do not. Also, in a real world setting, as for a lot of people, ambiguity is to be avoided. So what am I doing in Crossworldland! Who knows. It doesn’t feel like a holiday!

    4. Re 5d, isn’t that what the setter is trying to achieve? To suggest the answer is something different to what it actually is by clever and subtle misdirection in the wordplay. Nothing wrong with the clue whatsoever.

      1. No, I don’t think it is clever. The anagram indicator is well known, so the answer was always going to be achieved in a case where the words are well known, particularly given the 6-9 structure. It looks more like verbosity to me now everyone thinks ‘these names’ does not relate back to Bluebeard, but I have explained above.

    5. Mark. In 5d, “Bluebeard rolled” is a contrived phrase purely to provide anagram (off) fodder for the answer. “Like these” is part of the clue definition and doesn’t relate to “Bluebeard” at all.

  28. I would never have parsed 14d so a big thank you to the 2Ks and of course our setter

  29. I agree with those who hated 16d. Just the mention of the Rev makes me shudder!
    Anyway, apart from that, this was a relief after yesterday’s puzzle which completely defeated me

  30. Good afternoon
    I’m at work but not actually leaving the depot until 16:58, so I’ve finished off the crozzie over a cup of tea. An enjoyable solve this afty; my knowledge of both gardening and musical terms now augmented by 21a and 14d respectively; I am perfectly at ease with the idea of 16d being a Spoonerism – my old English teacher, Mr Sugger (aka Billy) would have felt the same, I’m sure.
    Oh aye, and a Crikey! for 5d!

  31. A pretty straightforward puzzle with the exception of a few in the SE corner where I was held up until deciding that the [unprintable] non-Spoonerism had to be what I thought it was, at which point everything clicked into place. A generous dollop of helpful anagrams – happily, on seeing the Z in 21a, I remembered 14d, so no problems in the SW. Ticks afterwards to 9a, 5d (clever anagram and surface) and 8d. Big cross afterwards to 16d.

    1.5* / 3*

    Thank you to the setter and to the 2Ks.

  32. Re 16d again, a word or phrase can have more than one spoonerism.
    One of Spooner’s alleged famous errors was ‘well-boiled icicle’ for ‘well-oiled bicycle’. But why not well-biled oicycle? Just as valid.
    As Jose says @4, cold sores / sold cores would be the simplest transposition, but spoonerisms are phonetic not literal.
    With the phrase broken differently, the identically pronounced ‘colds ores’ could more conceivably lead to ‘olds cores’ / ‘old scores’.

    Obviously it’s a bit harder to solve than the usual crossword spoonerism, but for me at least it’s technically fine. (Azed sets regular spoonerism specials, and I can recall ‘ape tuck’ for ‘uptake’!)

    1. Interesting points! I suppose rules are made to be broken, and anyway Dr Runer didn’t make any spools 😅

      1. Although I understand that it was more difficult than the standard spoonerism we usually see, I just wanted to defend the setter by saying I think it is a valid one.
        The fact that spoonerisms are phonetic illustrates why I think almost all of the phrases attributed to Spooner are apocryphal. It’s too much of a stretch to think he would transpose elements that at the same time also made sense – eg ‘You have hissed all my mystery lectures. You have tasted a whole worm.’
        That’s why the previously-mentioned one that seems to be accepted as authentic – ‘Kinquering Congs’ – is believable, as it doesn’t make sense.

        1. I’m sure that most Spoonerism are apocryphal – written/contrived later by others, but based on his original format/structure. From Wiki:

          An article in the Daily Herald in 1928 reported spoonerisms to be a “legend”. In that piece Robert Seton, once a student of Spooner’s, admitted that Spooner:

          …made, to my knowledge, only one “Spoonerism” in his life, in 1879, when he stood in the pulpit and announced the hymn: ‘Kinkering Kongs their Titles Take’ [“Conquering Kings their Titles Take”]…Later, a friend and myself brought out a book of “spoonerisms”‘

    2. T. Apart from cold sores/sold cores, none of your examples are genuine/valid Spoonerisms. They possibly could called be pseudo-Spoonerisms or Spoonerism-like constructs in bizarre specialist puzzles, but traditional/real Spoonerisms they are not.

      1. We’ll agree to differ, but I maintain the clue is an internally consistent type of spoonerism, just not the classic popular type.
        OED: “An accidental transposition of the initial sounds, or other parts, of two or more words.”

        1. That’s fair enough, T. But considering that some people don’t even understand normal/traditional/classic Spoonerisms, it’s probably best to to keep complex/bizarre/hybrid types out of DT back-page cryptics.

        2. A key word though, Twmbarlwm, is “transposition”, on which point that clue fails – there was no transposition. As was noted above, just moving the ‘c’ down from cold and inserting it into sores does not make it a transposition, let alone a Spoonerism.

          It was just a very poor clue that should not have made it past the editor’s desk.

          1. But it’s not about swapping letters (although that’s often what’s involved on paper), it’s a transposition of sounds.
            Yes, COLD SORES simply spoonerises to SOLD CORES, but the identically pronounced COLDS ORES also spoonerises to OLD SCORES.

            1. All real Spoonerisms involve the “simple” action of swapping initial letters/the sound those letters make (which could involve different spelling but still the same pronunciation); sometimes it might be the transposition of the last letters/sounds (hence the “or other parts” in the OED definition). COLDS ORES does NOT Spoonerise into OLD SORES. It still rhymes, yes, but where is the swapping of sounds? All you have done is take the C and S (separately, not as an integral “sound”) from COLDS, reverse them and stick them in front of ORES! There is no transposition of sounds at all, therefore no Spoonerism exists. I hope this provides clarification.

              1. Fair enough. I’m probably not explaining it well enough or I’m completely wrong, like the setter and the editor :wink:
                We can agree it’s an ambitious one for a back-pager at least, but I liked it.
                More importantly, this comment brings the total to 100!

  33. I did quite well on first run through and then I was stuck. I was DNF for two, 27a and 28a. I only got 14d with an anagram solver; thank you Terence for adding it to THE LIST. I was lulled into a false sense of security by getting 1a and 5a right away. There was some good stuff, fave was 8d, but I had to use too much ehelp in the end to say this was fun.
    Thank you setter, and 2Kiwis for unravelling so much.

  34. Bit of a slog today but some nice clues that felt really satisfying to solve. Woo-hoos to 5a 23a 28a 5d, and yah-boos to 14d and 22d but only because I needed the hints. Spent an inordinate amount of time trying to parse 15a as “bend over” 🤣🤦🤦

  35. Another confused by 16d.

    14d is a term I will never hear again outside of crosswordland, thank goodness.

    Somehow managed to bung in “band over” for 15a. I assumed the hint would explain it, but obviously it wasn’t that…

    Despite having fired a 20d, not to mention being qualified to teach how to fire one, I couldn’t get this! What a muppet.

    Thanks to all.

  36. Morning all.
    Thought there might be some discussion on 16d and deliberately worded our hint so we could sit on the fence where we will happily stay.
    A bit surprised that the use of the same anagram indicator in two consecutive clues (5d and 6d) might have come in for some stick, but not yet it seems.
    More cold southerly showers out there this morning so could be a day for hunkering down in front of the fire.
    Cheers.

  37. We have recently had mainly fun runs on green slopes so presumably it was inevitable we would have to progress to a blue slope as per today which was more testing but nevertheless was enjoyable to unravel. 1a and 14d were new to me. 16d a bit contrived. Thank you Mysteron and 2Kiwis. What a joy to finally have a taste of Summer. 🌞

  38. I thought that this was a nice straightforward Wednesday puzzle and started well but not knowing 1a & 14d as as well as quite a few others that I was unable to parse turned it into a tough or even a toughie 😳 solve *****/** I had three favourites 12a,15a and 8d 😃 Big thanks to the 2xKs for making it sound so solvable and to the unknown Compiler 😬

  39. Not one for me, way out of my range. No fun and little sense.
    And as for 14d, words fail me! Never in my life come across this word and never likely to. For me one of the poorest puzzles for a while.
    ****/*
    Thx for the hints

  40. Solved the puzzle early doors & enjoyed it. 1a&14d unfamiliar, the latter last in & fully deserving of immediate admission to THE LIST. Have enjoyed reading the comments – shame RD hasn’t contributed to the debate as can’t recall a Jose/RD for a while. I rather liked 16d & had no idea it would cause such a 2d. 21a my fav
    Thanks all

  41. Blimey. What a lot of verbiage today. I did this late as we have been out to a garden centre for lunch. It was below par in terms of atmosphere, so we went to another which was top notch and we sat outside in a shady area. Lovely.
    For me the crossword was straightforward. OK , I cheated on the musical term but so what, we can’t know everything. The spoonerism was also fine. (I seem to be getting these after 10 yrs of trying). When people resort to technical perfection they may perhaps, be losing their sense of fun. Thanks both.

  42. 3*/4* …
    pleasant solve but no stand out clues for me …
    last one in 14D “Doors fan confused about variable emphasis playing music (9)”

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