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DT 30266

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 30266

Hints and tips by 2Kiwis

BD Rating – Difficulty ** Enjoyment ****

Kia ora from Aotearoa.

Our weather has moved on from the frigid blast that we reported last week and we have much more acceptable temperatures again. We have also been away in more northern parts of the country for a couple of days where it was significantly warmer.

Nice puzzle again this week.

Please leave a comment telling us how you got on.


1a     Prepare a hint, cryptically, for person sure to succeed (4,8)
HEIR APPARENT : An anagram (cryptically) of PREPARE A HINT.

8a     Confess and allow access (5)
ADMIT : A double definition.

9a     Danger signal — Capone has gun around! (4,5)
FIRE ALARM : Capone’s usual first name is enclosed by another word for a gun.

11a     What indicates a priest is good company, in the money in America (3,6)
DOG COLLAR : The US currency unit contains G(ood) and CO(mpany).

12a     Arts degree thus suitable for beginners (5)
BASIC : A Bachelor of Arts degree and then the word from Latin for ‘thus’.

13a     Indian side in arena with band playing (4,5)
NAAN BREAD : An anagram (playing) of ARENA and BAND.

16a     Venerable figure stripped off soldier (5)
OLDIE : Remove the outside letters from the word soldier.

18a     Exercise in school with boy about to ride a bike (5)
PEDAL : Physical exercise as a school subject and the reversal of a synonym for boy.

19a     Holiday firm’s fare early in the day (9)
BREAKFAST : A holiday or time off and then firm or stable.

20a     Initial appearance when trying clothes (5)
ENTRY : A lurker, hiding in the clue.

22a     Rely on chauffeur taking day off in waterside area (9)
RIVERBANK : Another word for a chauffeur loses its D(ay), and then rely or depend on.

25a     Oat fancy after stew is something hard to handle (3,6)
HOT POTATO : An anagram (fancy) of OAT follows a stew we associate with Lancashire.

26a     Place to learn about a kind of rugby (5)
UNION : A place of higher learning and about or concerning.

27a     Mark and John are here, in Tyneside area with Will (3,9)
NEW TESTAMENT : The geographical location of Tyneside, the abbreviation for with, and another word for a will as a legal document.


1d     Volunteer troops made rough manoeuvres (4,5)
HOME GUARD : An anagram (manoeuvres) of MADE ROUGH.

2d     Keen on including right opening for piece of music (5)
INTRO : A colloquial way of saying keen on or enthusiastic about contains R(ight).

3d     Allowed to go topless, which is shocking (5)
AWFUL : Remove the first letter from allowed or legitimate.

4d     Game or chat show host on the BBC (9)
PARTRIDGE : A double definition. The game is not something that one plays.

5d     This obstacle will certainly be in the way! (9)
ROADBLOCK : A cryptic definition of a type of barrier.

6d     Approaches both Poles, eating a bit of corn (5)
NEARS : A collective noun for the grains growing on corn is enclosed by both geographic poles.

7d     One’s first address — cheap semi with end collapsing (6,6)
MAIDEN SPEECH : An anagram (collapsing) of CHEAP SEMI and END.

10d     Mouse thanks monarch for making fun of him, say (6-6)
MICKEY-TAKING : Disney’s famous mouse, then a short colloquial word for thanks and a male monarch.

14d     Kid’s father? (5,4)
BILLY GOAT : A cryptic definition. The kid is not a human child.

15d     M&S bras are designed to create discomfort (9)
EMBARRASS : An anagram (designed) of M and S BRAS ARE.

17d     Little drink, at first, for writer (9)
DRAMATIST : A little drink, usually of whisky, ‘AT’ from the clue and ‘first’ using a number and two letters.

21d     Somewhat past it, learned doctor or professor? (5)
TITLE : A lurker, hiding in the clue.

23d     One’s played a role in Twelfth Night (5)
VIOLA : A double definition.

24d     Stir up arguments, we hear (5)
ROUSE : A homophone of a word meaning arguments or disagreements.

We were impressed with how the surface reading was so appropriate for all the anagrams, so they can share the podium this week.

Quickie pun    know    +     belle     +    pries    =    Nobel prize

115 comments on “DT 30266

  1. I reckon this one outMondayed Monday’s offering! My bet is that all the week’s crosswords fell on the floor over the weekend, and the Ed just stuck them in in the order he picked ‘em up.
    Not much to overtax the swede today, but some very clever clues nonetheless.
    Good luck to our friends over the pond with 4d.
    My favourite was the brilliant 13a, took me a while to tear my brain away from cricket here. Thanks to our setter today, great fun.

    1. Never mind our friends over the pond! I was flummoxed by 4d not knowing anything about bbc series but bunged in an unparsed solution.

    2. I knew him! I used to watch BBC America and I liked his interviews, particularly the one with Dolly Parton.

      1. On reading further down, I don’t know this chap, I was thinking of another “P”. Where did I get this one from, must have been from the deepest recesses of my brain.

  2. Light but funny and very clever indeed.
    10d was hilarious, 22&25a very smooth but I thought 7d was a brilliant example of its clue type with relevant and smooth fodder so it takes top spot in a very strong field.
    Many thanks to the setter and the Ks.

  3. A pleasant and trouble-free romp for a Wednesday, with 4d being particularly clever and fun – who cried “Ah-ha!” when they got it ;) I liked all four of the long side clues especially 10d.13a was probably the clue that took me the longest to work out. Very enjoyable all round.

    1. Not me I’m afraid.
      I fear I may be the only person in Britain who is not a fan.

        1. SC doesn’t like SC? I think he’s great, especially when he does vocal impressions. One man’s meat and all that …

          1. Not my cup of tea either but that applies to chat shows in general so it’s nothing personal .

  4. Light fare for a Wednesday, enjoyable over the morning coffee; many sublime (and often amusing) surface readings, and while it felt as though there was a surfeit of anagrams, that was not the case (the DT really is more generous with these than the Times, for some reason). 13a had me thinking of Chennai Super Kings etc, as the setter possibly intended; 10d & 16a raised broad smiles; 27a was beautifully constructed; lovely deception in 14d.

    1 / 3.5

    Many thanks indeed to the Setter and to the 2Ks

  5. This seemed like a Monday puzzle on a Wednesday. Completed as I listened to Pop Master with Ken Bruce on Greatest Hits Radio for the first time. Only hold up was not having the right sort of game in 4d. I’ve played too many rounds of Qwirkle in the last few days. 10d was my favourite. Thank you setter and the 2ks.

    1. I too listened to Ken yesterday and today and will do every day. I gave up on radio 2 mostly when they got rid of Paul O’Grady.
      Just listened to Ken.
      I wish he’d gone to Boom Radio as I mostly listen to that now.
      They are replaying Paul’s christmas show on Easter Sunday at 2pm on Boom. He was scheduled to doan Easter on e with Malcolm, his producer. Malcolm is presenting it I think.
      Quite liked the crossword though it took me a while.

      1. Paul O’Grady and Malcolm Prince were about to do regular shows for Boom. On the day he died, O’Grady listened to the theme tune and was thrilled with it. It was a shame Ken Bruce didn’t go to Boom because, unlike other commercial stations, they have a vast repertoire of music to call upon.

        Boom is the only station we have on during the day.

  6. Agree, Florence, rather Mondayish, I thought.
    No doubt, being softened up for tomorrow and Friday.
    Very enjoyable, many a smile, eg 11, 18 and 16a and especially 4d.
    The longish anagrams, 1a in particular, helped considerably.
    Many thanks to the setter and to the 2Kiwis.

  7. Thoroughly enjoyable and satisfying crossword today. So many LOLs and starred clues 13a, 27a and 10d probably my favourites.

    Of course can’t miss out Steve Coogans “AHA!!!” At 4d.

    Thanks to the setter and our Antipodean hinters.

  8. A very enjoyable puzzle today.
    Cheered up a grey drizzly day up here in Angus. At least it isn’t as cold as it has been.

    Thanks to the setter and to the 2 Kiwis.

  9. Not difficult but just a super puzzle with some cracking surface reads – comfortably into top spot for me for the week thus far though yet to tackle the undoubted delights of Django’s Toughie. Last in was 13a (suckered also by the IPL surface) which extended the solve time by 50% so it’ll have to be COTD though 7d ran it mighty close. Ticks also for 1,25&27a along with 1,10&15d though not a dud in there.
    Thanks to the setter & 2Ks

  10. A pleasant and mainly straightforward puzzle with some amusing clues. I liked 10d, 11a, 111a and COTD, 13a. Thanks to the Kiwis for the hints , it is still brass monkey weather here as a result of which my Forsythia has only now come fully into flower and every plant in the garden is late. Thanks to the cinpiler.

    1. My Kolwitzia or Batchelors Buttons looks wonderful at the moment but I just cannot grow Forsythia. I have lost track of how many times I have planted it, yet people tell me it will toot in a vase.

  11. I agree with the 2K’s rating for this pleasant puzzle. The three lurkers were helpful and lots of quality clues my COTD being 13a. All very enjoyable. Thanks to our Antipodean hinters and the setter.

  12. Parakeets! Parakeets are the worst. Why were they invented? I realise you do not know the answer to this question. I am shouting it to the sky, like Grandpa Simpson berating the clouds.
    I arrived home late on Sunday and without thinking, left the car under a tree. When I sat down indoors with a hot chocolate I came to my senses and knew I had made a faux pas, but I felt too weary to go back outside and move the car. Big mistake.
    We didn’t go out on Monday, so yesterday afternoon, heading to the car before setting off to Chelsea, I saw it.
    The parakeets, now as prevalent in the South East as branches of Starbucks, looked down at their handiwork with glee as we reeled in horror. Their…. errrr…. ‘leavings’ stick like superglue.

    I am now Googling ‘best way to remove bird ‘droppings’ from a car.

    Parakeets are the worst.

    Lovely crossword. Had no parakeets in it. Thanks to the setter and The TwoKays.

    1. Best to soak an old towel in soapy water, leave it on the ‘gifts’ for an hour, then hopefully it will just wipe away, works with dried-on insects on windscreens too.

      1. That’s a useful tip, Tipcat. I’ll try it on4he wood pigeon offerings that frequently decorate my car.

    2. Take heart Terence. We get Red Kite guano. Sometimes followed by red dust from the Sahara desert.

  13. Since Jay announced that he’d be stepping back from his regular slot, I’ve approached Wednesday back-pagers with mixed feelings but this was a light delight particularly as it started out with a mention for the man who will be king. Makes me sad that I probably won’t be around for long enough to witness that great day, being one of the 16a venerables!

    Impossible task to isolate a favourite so I’ll just say a big thank you to our setter and to our 2Ks for the review.

    1. I’m a fan too Jane. I just wish your paparazzi wouldn’t keep throwing mud at him, some of it will stick, people are so ready to believe the worst. Unlike our Trump fans, they don’t believe anything even with live proof!

      1. I’m not sure that our paparazzi do throw mud at William – are we talking about two different people?

        1. The latest I read was that he’s trying to get his “mistress” accepted by the Family, recommending her for a post at Buck House. Why do they print things that seem so patently muckracking, seems to me that if he wanted something on the side, he’d be a lot more careful not to let the Press get a whiff of it.

          1. That’s the first I have heard of such a thing! Really? Married to the gorgeous Katherine !

            1. I’m sure it’s not true, but the Press are having a field day. They don’t need it to be true, just so it sells. I get so mad with the Press.

    2. I’m also sorry that it’s more than likely that I won’t be here to see King William on the throne. But I do wish the media would stop bashing King Charles in the meantime.

  14. 1*/4*. Yes indeed – a light delight. My favourite is a toss up between 13a & 7d.

    Many thanks to the setter and to the 2Ks.

  15. A very pleasant mid-week challenge from whomsoever – **/****

    Candidates for favourite – 9a, 25a, 14d, and 17d – and the winner is 17d.

    Thanks to the setter and the 2Kiwis.

  16. Many thanks indeed to the 2Ks for the great blog, and to everyone commenting. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find the time a fortnight ago to drop in, so I was determined to do so today!
    Have a great week, all (and if you fancy something a bit chewier at the weekend, why not have a go at the Easter Sunday Toughie?)

    1. Uh oh seems like I am going to be busy Sunday night!
      Thanks for today though I really enjoyed it with 1a a great PDM
      Thanks to the 2K’s too

  17. What a delight, so nice to finish one unaided for a change ,and completed at a gallop, well a fast trot at least. Thanks to all.

  18. Has Wednesday swapped with Monday? This was most enjoyable apart from the fact I had to complete it online because the paper did not arrive at the village shop. I know many rave about doing puzzles on line but give the paper and a pen any day. It also means I cannot comment on individual clues because, once finished, the puzzle vanishes. Suffice to say I managed to finish unaided and enjoyed the journey.

    Thank you to the setter for the fun and the 2Ks for the hints, which I will now read.

    I am posting the picture for Merusa. I will let her tell you about it.

    1. Thanks, Steve! That is my neighbour’s orchid growing in her scheffalura (spelling?) tree, just outside my sitting room window. It blooms every year when we get the first rains. She’s given me a piece of it, now attached to a palm tree where I can see it from my sitooterie as I do my puzzles in the morning!

      1. Beautiful oncidium. We might have to struggle to successfully grow roses here, but orchids are our friends 😊

  19. An extremely solid crossie.

    It had all what you want to make it solvable for the rookies but enough deception to throw the senior pros off the scent.

    7d and 10d get a medal with 13a getting the shiniest one as it stumped me for a while.


  20. Loved the various references to popular culture in today’s relatively straightforward but entertaining crossword – from Arthur Lowe and co via Disney and Steve Coogan to curry accompaniments and Lancashire dishes – with 23d alone providing a ‘high brow’ touch. COTD for me 1a; LOI – I am 15d’ed to say – 16a.

  21. Highly enjoyable with 13a my favourite as it turned out I did not need to know anything about cricket which at first I was sure I would.

    Many thanks to the 2 kiwis and Robyn for giving us a lighter but no less enjoyable mid week treat.

  22. Loved it! I agree with Huntsman concerning the brilliant surface reads of many of the clues. Unlike others I wasn’t too keen on 4d. The use of specific folk’s names as answers, especially those with British connections, must make solving difficult for some. Otherwise plenty to like. I thought 13a, 7d, 10d and 15d particularly clever and amusing. Unusual for me to choose an anagram for favourite but today my COTD is 1a. Thanks to Robyn for the enjoyment and the 2Kiwis for the great selection of pics.

  23. I did also wonder what day of the week it was, but I did enjoy this light offering with plenty of smiles along the way.


    Fav 15d LOI 13a.

    Thanks to setter and 2Kiwis.

  24. Super puzzle, very enjoyable. Lots of elegant clues inc 11a, 23d and my fav 13a.
    Wish all the DT puzzles could be thus good.
    Thx to all

  25. A delightful puzzle – thanks to Robyn and the 2Ks.
    With P?R in place for 4d I was beginning to wonder whether there was a game called Parkinson that I’d never heard of.
    My ticks included 13a, 27a, 10d and 15d but my gold medal goes to 7d.

    1. The game known as Parkinson is quite simple; it’s a game for two people. One sits in the chair, while the other armed only with a stuffed emu has to try and knock the opposition off his chair onto the floor. My daughter when she was younger used to love the game (although I didn’t have an emu in those days, and had to improvise with a different stuffed animal)

  26. Much enjoyed. As said by many others: so much better than the struggle on Monday and a couple last week. Is there a template that states how difficult a puzzle should be on each day of the week? I’m obviously too much of a newcomer to the blog to know these unwritten rules. To keep me entertained and engaged, I need some less daunting entry clues. This offering by (Robyn?) was just my cup of tea. Thank you and the 2Kiwis whose help (with lovely picture hints) I didn’t need today.

  27. Lovely crossword, doable without hints, but challenging enough to make me think. COTD definitely 13a, very clever.

    Many thanks to setter and 2Kiwis.

  28. Very mild for a Wednesday, but the clues were fine and it was enjoyable enough whislt it lasted. No standout favourite but I’ll give 4d and 7d a mention. 1.5*/3*.

    *I’ve only just realised, after all these years, that standout is one word not two. How can that have happened?

  29. Another Wednesday puzzle with no idea of setter, but an enjoyable puzzle from whomever it may have been. Lots of fun clues, some relatively easy and a few head scratchers.

    1.5*/4* for me today.

    Favourites include 1a, 11a, 22a, 7d, 10d & 15d with winner 10d because it also involved a chuckle as well.
    Thought 27a was a contender too.

    Other chuckles include 11a, 25a, 5d & 14d

    Overall a great puzzle for Wednesday, IMHO.

    Thanks to setter and the 2K’s

  30. Brilliant puzzle. Completely up my strasse. Even Brian has not complained about the religious clue. My loi was 13a. I was certainly on the wrong side but very clever. I got 16a but was unsure as I didn’t parse. Good fun and completed on way to Tewkesbury (I’m in the passenger seat). Favourites 1 9 11 13 and 27a and 7 10 and 23d. Thanks Robyn and 2Ks. More like this please.

  31. Thank goodness I completed this early in the day. I have just tested positive for Covid and now feel rotten so probably won’t be solving for the next couple of days. What a bummer, I thought we had escaped it but we seem to have had a surge up here. Anyway thanks to the setter and hinter for an enjoyable puzzle today.

    1. Oh dear, Manders, what a blow. I hope you don’t feel too awful and get better soon. :rose:

      1. Bad luck, Ma ders. Our grandchildren’s schol had a surge in January and our granddaughter passed it on. It was the more contagious but less virulent variant that is atill going around but it still makes you feel rotten. Get well soon.🤞

    2. Get better soon! I do wish this plague would go away, isn’t it about time? I never did get my sense of taste back and can’t stop coughing.

      1. So sorry, Manders and Merusa. In benighted S Carolina, the surge has never really ended. 1,200 new cases last week, with an appalling number of deaths still.

        1. I didn’t know that, I’m so sorry. It’s still here but I don’t think the numbers are anywhere near that.

    3. Oh dear, and with Easter so near! What a damned nuisance. Hope it is a mild dose.

      1. Thanks everyone, hopefully it won’t be too bad. I made mushroom soup for the Warm Space this/morning – didn’t realise I had covid and my sense of taste had gone so I expect it was rather salty!

    4. Sorry to hear, and hope you recover quickly. Our elder daughter got it after attending a Miami concert followed by dinner in an intimate French restaurant. She got it, recovered, and then got rebound COVID. Then her husband got it, but couldn’t take the medicine (because of blood thinners), and he recovered more quickly than she did. Both had all 5 shots. In our neighborhood people kindly report being diagnosed as positive to our HOA board, and all their contacts. We get 2/3 emails advising this each week, so it’s definitely still out there. Happily, most report mild symptoms and rarely do their spouses test positive. Hope your symptoms are mild, and you will soon be bouncing around again.

  32. Great fun from beginning to end with just enough challenge. Was slow identifying lurkers in 20a and 21d which unbelievably were last in. Trio of Favs were 10, 14 and 17 downs. Big thanks Robyn for a great puzzzle and 2Kiwis for being faithfully there in case of need.

  33. Loved it . 1.5 * / 4*
    Thank you Robyn and 2Ks
    Favourites 13a and 14 d , but all good fun

  34. That was a very nice solvable and amusing puzzle ( three in a row) a little sorry for Alan at 4d 😬 **/**** Favourites 6 & 10d and 4d was quite clever 😃 Thanks to the 2 x Ks (have the Bar-tails departed yet 🤔) and to Robyn

    1. Yes the bar-tailed godwits have left on their flight to Alaska. Yesterday on our walk the tide was in so all the estuary birds were clustered quite close to our path. There were about a dozen or so bar-tailed amongst them and they will probably remain with us for the winter. There were several hundred a couple of weeks ago.

  35. Late coming to this today but judging from the number of positive responses this has been a very popular puzzle with the commentariat. It wasn’t particularly difficult but I scored it very highly for entertainment and enjoyment. 7d stood out like a beacon when I solved it and it remained my favourite throughout the solve.

    Many thanks and congratulations to Robyn for a terrific puzzle, and thanks too, to the 2Ks.

  36. Thoroughly enjoyable, with amusing surfaces. bearing the natural charm of this engaging setter. Even though I flew through it, I loved every moment, even 4d (which posed no problem for me over here), but especially 10d, 7d, & 13a. Thanks to the 2Kiwis and Robyn. 1*/4*

    Note to Colin and Carol, the 2Kiwis: I am really enjoying Eleanor Catton’s new novel, Birnam Wood, set on your South Island. Reminds me of how much I delighted in her Booker-Winning The Luminaries of a decade or so ago. Just wondering what kind of press BW has received in NZ.

      1. Thanks for the note, Gazza. Yes, I did know about Carol. I remember when her biography of Blanche Baughan was published a couple of years ago. Victorian ladies have always been one of my academic specialities, having written my doctoral thesis on George Eliot.

        1. I have just finished Tracy Chevalier’s Remarkable Creatures about Mary Anning and oddly enough there was a big article about her in the Sunday Telegraph.

          1. Hi, Daisygirl: I remember enjoying her Girl with a Pearl Earring, many moons ago now. Good writer.

    1. Hi Robert,
      Carol is still abed (it is only 5.30am here) but will reply to you shortly,
      Cheers, Colin.

    2. Hi Robert, Carol here. I haven’t read Birnam Wood yet, but since reading an extract published in our Listener a little while ago I’m keen to do so. Eleanor Catton is a really interesting writer and full of surprises. The book has had some publicity here but not as much as it deserves.

  37. What a perfect puzzle, I loved it all. Amazing, no naysayers. I was only held up by 13a, was trying to find something crickety, but tumbled to it at the end with all checkers in. Hard to choose a fave, I liked 1a, but 10d gets my vote as I’m constantly using it.
    The sun shines, my iPod shuffle today is Max Bygraves and The Merrymen (Godson says I’m so yesterday) so I’m off to the pool for my exercises.
    Thanks Robyn for all the fun and the 2Kiwis for unravelling a couple and lovely pics.

  38. Ha ha, so that is where Monday’s puzzle went…. Mystery solved. Thoroughly enjoyed today, and even got 4d from the checkers, having never heard of said person. Huge thank you to the setter for making this a DIY solve over breakfast.

  39. Enjoyable with 16a as my favourite thanks robyn and 2Ks … looking forward to Sunday’s puzzle

  40. Came back from enjoying one of George’s birthday presents – champagne afternoon tea at Carriages. We’ve been several times but always a pleasure to sit in an old railway carriage in an old station (they even had Wright’s Coal Tar Soap in the ladies room and I cannot get the smell off my hands!) reliving my youth. My grandmother always told me to sit with my back to the engine so I would not get coal smuts blown onto my face. Bet Mr Beeching never thought one of his redundant stations would be used like that. Reminds me of Chattanooga. Who remembers the big leather straps to lower the windows? Those were the days, my friends. Anyway, down to earth – a pleasure to come home, kick off the heels and complete this lovely guzzle. 16a was LOI and daisies by 27a and 3,7,15 &23d. Many thanks to Messrs Setter & Hinter. 10d was also funny.

  41. Morning all.
    What a delight to read all the comments this morning and see how much everyone has appreciated this puzzle. What an amazing setter Robyn is to be able to set such a wide range of difficulty in his puzzles and still keep them all so clever and amusing.
    Many thanks Robyn.

    1. Found this a pleasurable relief from Monday/Tuesday. Finished it with coffee and toast in bed!!

  42. Excellent from start to finish with clever and amusing clues. Thanks and hats off to our esteemed setter and bloggers.

  43. All been said but thanks to Robyn, the best puzzle in many a long day! Too many good clues to pick a favourite. Thanks to the Two Ks too.

  44. I am another fan of this fine puzzle and like Gazza wondered if there was a game called parkinson that I had never heard of until I realised partridge fitted the checkers. From a crowded podium my favourite like many was 13a. Thanks to Robyn and the 2 K’s

  45. 2/4. Splendid puzzle with some clever clueing. My last in was 16a for reasons which elude me. What a clang when the penny dropped. Thanks to all.

  46. Good evening
    All done, although I had to look at 2K’s hint for 16a, which I don’t think I’d ever have got; that then gave me the initial letter of 17d, and we were done! Loved 13a, and 4d definitely earns a Crikey!
    Thank you to our setter and to 2Kiwis.

  47. I’m afraid that, as usual for a Wednesday, my quiz addled brain made harder work of this than it should have, that was on top of messing about trying to set up my new phone all day. I did enjoy this though. Favourite was 10d. Thanks to Robyn and 2K’s. Toughie will have to wait until tomorrow.

  48. Great crossword. Went the Parkinson way too at first until proven wrong.
    Love Alan Partridge. Especially the Norwich years.
    Thanks to Robyn and to the 2ks.

  49. 2*/5* … so many amusing clues !
    liked 7D ” One’s first address — cheap semi with end collapsing (6,6)” … amongst others.

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