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Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 30265
Hints and tips by Twmbarlwm

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BD Rating – Difficulty **   –  Enjoyment ***/****

Good morning. A nice mix of clue types with perhaps a few more straightforward ones than usual, but enough deception and cleverness to keep solvers on their toes.
I have a nagging feeling I might be missing something at 22a, but we’ll see. [EDIT: It’s been pointed out pretty quickly in the comments that indeed I was missing something!]

Many thanks to the setter.

In the following hints, definitions are underlined, indicators are mostly in parentheses, and answers are revealed by clicking where shown as usual.
Please leave a comment below on how you got on with the puzzle and which aspects you liked etc.

1a Substitute pamphlet editor took away (10)
SUBTRACTED: A charade of a three-letter diminutive of substitute, a synonym of pamphlet, or essay, and the usual contraction of editor

6a God‘s praise on the radio (4)
LORD: A homophone (on the radio) of a word meaning praise or celebrate. The two words sound the same in Received Pronunciation, though maybe not to anyone with rhotic accents – a debate that arises in the comments from time to time. RP does seem to be a necessary standard to adhere to (or deviate from, where indicated) for homophone clues nevertheless

9a Burglars won’t want to leave these base photographs (10)
FOOTPRINTS: A word for base or support, and a synonym of photos

10a Write magazine’s entertaining article (4)
ITEM: The solution is hidden (entertaining) in two consecutive words

12a Large snake? Run! (6)
LADDER: The letter for large from clothing sizes plus a snake that can be found in Wales, Scotland and England

13a Pole — maybe bats are up one (8)
EUROPEAN: An anagram (bats) of ARE UP ONE

15a Prisons cited falsified accounts (12)
DESCRIPTIONS: An anagram (falsified) of PRISONS CITED

18a Happiness with Queen Mary, perhaps, after king’s affair (12)
RELATIONSHIP: A word for happiness or joy, plus a vessel (Queen Mary, perhaps), follow a letter representing King in Latin

21a Fashion house’s embracing new means of communication (8)
CHANNELS: A French fashion house with an apostrophe-s containing (embracing) the letter for new

22a Goat feasibly from Belgium, say (6)
BUTTER: A cryptic definition referring to the fact that Belgium is renowned for various blends of [the solution], and which uses a familiar pun on what a goat sometimes does. EDIT: The wordplay actually includes an IVR code plus a synonym of say or speak, and is probably nothing to do with Belgium’s product!  Apologies to all, including the setter, and thanks to Gazza and Helen in the comments

24a People endlessly swallowing one’s scotch (4)
FOIL: A word for people missing its last letter (endlessly) containing (swallowing) the Roman numeral for one. Very neat (pun intended) surface – reminded me of a libertarian house guest or two of my acquaintance

25a Fool with running shoes without right boxes? (10)
CONTAINERS: A three-letter synonym of fool as a verb, plus types of running shoes minus the letter r (without right)

26a Form held back with small pins (4)
LEGS: A verb meaning form, or thicken, reversed (held back), has the letter for small added at the end

27a Moon and star diverted ‘er? (10)
ASTRONOMER: An all-in-one/andlit clue: an anagram (diverted) of MOON STAR, plus [h]er; the whole clue also describes the solution


1d Perhaps trapping female deer almost without harm (6)
SAFELY: A word for perhaps, or for example, containing (trapping) the letter for female and an animal from the deer family minus its last letter (almost)

2d Bishop cross, beginning to scold groups of children (6)
BROODS: The letter that represents bishop in chess notation precedes a type of cross, especially a crucifix, plus an initial letter (beginning to …)

3d Showing gang wrapping electronic gift (12)
REPRESENTING: A synonym of gang, usually a criminal one, containing (wrapping) the letter that stands for electronic and a straightforward word meaning gift

4d Murderer I put in nick (4)
CAIN: ‘I’ from the clue is ‘put in’ an informal word for prison. I’ve seen one or two people in other blogs say this particular word for nick should have an indication of being American, but it seems to be British too. The same word used for a lavatory is N American though – that could be where the confusion arises

5d US anthem is broadcast, showing eagerness (10)
ENTHUSIASM: An anagram (broadcast) of US ANTHEM IS. My favourite of this puzzle’s anagram clues

7d Exactly on time following the party (2,3,3)
ON THE DOT: An unusually transparent clue where much of the solution appears in the clue. The final word is a two-letter party and the usual letter for time

8d Plate around one minute in sink (8)
DIMINISH: A word for plate or bowl containing (around) the Roman numeral for one and a contraction of minute

11d Donation from British university in remorse (12)
CONTRIBUTION: Two letters representing British and university respectively go ‘in’ a synonym of remorse

14d Pupils so blotchy, so flustered optometrist finally departs (10)
SCHOOLBOYS: An anagram (flustered) of SO BLOTCHY SO without a last letter (finally) as indicated

16d Golf competition nearly thoroughly dignified (8)
GRACEFUL: A letter that’s indicated by its NATO phonetic alphabet word, plus a speed competition, then a word meaning thoroughly, or squarely, minus its last letter (nearly)

17d Charlie bent, scrubbing (8)
CLEANING: Another letter with a NATO phonetic alphabet indicator is followed by a word meaning bent or inclined

19d Master flying jet (6)
STREAM: An anagram (flying) of MASTER

20d Make a mistake penning answer regularly? This might help (6)
ERASER: A word for make a mistake, or lapse, containing (penning) alternate letters (regularly) from one word in the clue. This was probably my favourite clue

23d Get out of bedappropriate place for a stretch (4)
STIR: A double definition, one of which refers to a place of incarceration

My particular favourites were 10a, 13a, 18a, 24a, 4d, 5d, 8d,& 20d. What were yours?

Today’s Quick Crossword pun: CAR + DIN + DECKS = CARD INDEX

94 comments on “DT 30265

  1. A pleasant puzzle – thanks to the setter and Twmbarlwm.
    The top clue for me was 24a.

    22a is the IVR code for Belgium plus a verb to say.

  2. I took 22a to be the country code for Belgium followed by a synonym for speak or say.

  3. The long ‘uns at 3d&18a my picks from this gentle but enjoyable puzzle. The wee ones at 24&26a the last two in & for some reason didn’t come as easily as the remainder.
    Thanks to the setter & T

  4. I was gliding along quite blithely until I hit 25a, my LOI, which held me up a bit (I always forget the British term for sneakers), as did 24a and 26a a moment or two earlier, but I did enjoy this little teaser and have picked 18a as my COTD. Thanks to Twm and our Tuesday setter. **/***

  5. Thanks to Gazza and Helen @1 and @2 re 22a, a bad miss on my part, especially as I’ve recently clued B that way in one of my puzzles. :oops:

  6. 2*/3.5*. A light and pleasant puzzle for a Tuesday with 18a, 24a & 4d on my podium.

    While the wordplay and definition for 27a are fine, I am not too keen on the surface as ” ‘er ” seems rather incongruous.

    Many thanks to the setter and to Mr T.

    1. In 27a, are you suggesting that female Cockney astronomers are strange/inappropriate? :-)

  7. A thoroughly enjoyable puzzle which was, for me, straightforward throughout. In a good mood immediately because the lego answer at 1a went straight in! The only clue that disappointed me was 7d, otherwise I’m spoilt for choice. I’ll go for 1a, 18a, 25a, 2d, 8d and 20d without 13a as COTD for its comical misdirection. Thanks to the setter and to Twmbarlwm, whose help I didn’t need but whose comments I enjoyed reading.

  8. So I and all other Irish people have rhotic accents , except those with a lisp and can’t pronounce “r” at all. Nice to have a word for it.
    I liked 9a and 18a and 8d among others.
    Thanks to Twmbarlwm and the setter.

    1. At a toddler group once, the leader, who was from Florida, was reading What the Ladybird Heard to the children, and interrupted the story to assert that ‘ear’ doesn’t actually rhyme with ‘idea’. I later relayed this to my spouse, saying it’d be because of the rhotic R.

      Spouse’s reply: “What’s erotic about the letter R?”

  9. A fun puzzle for me – most of it relatively straightforward until I got stuck on 24a (didn’t help that I had the wrong answer in for 16d with my last few letters being crossword land’s favourite debts as opposed to a shortened word for thoroughly) and 25a – kept trying to cram all the letters of shoes in the answer somehow. Got there in the end though. Favourite today was 9a which made me smile. Thanks to the setter and to Twmbarlwm. Now to put on my British version of sneakers and head out to enjoy the sunshine.

    1. Talking of British/American versions, I’d love to see the quadruple reaction from El Tel, Brian, Stephen L and RD if a compiler had an obscure, dated religious, unreferenced Americanism as an answer.

      A gentle workout which is always welcome this time of the week.

      The question mark in 27a means ‘all in one’, doesn’t it? If so, then it works for me.

      COTD 13a

      1. Indeed. As I’ve said before, there are a few on here who won’t be satisfied till the traditional british cryptic clue has been sanitised/regulated out of existence!

        1. I really don’t mind people having their own tick lists.

          I just smile to myself when I see one of the clues, looking forward to their comments.

          1. Yes, of course. Sometimes, I find reading the comments is more interesting/intriguing/amusing than solving the puzzle.

      2. Just going back to 27a (I could prattle on about cryptic clues till the cows come home) – I’m not sure if the ? singularly identifies it as an &lit clue, but it must be one otherwise it really would be some strange type of clue that was all word-play and no definition.

        1. I see it is an all-in-one / &lit, but a hypothetically true one – hence the question mark – rather than a literally inarguable statement.

  10. Undefeated but very nearly.
    26a, it is always a four letter word!
    Certainly added .5 to my * time.
    Overall, an enjoyable solve.
    1d and 18a vied for COTD.
    Winner 18a.
    Thanks to the setter and to Twmbarlwm.

  11. Found parts of this distinctly tricky. Where is the definition in 27a? Really disliked 6a on so many levels.
    Apart from that it was a passable puzzle for a Tuesday which is often tricky these days.
    Thx for the hints

    1. An opportunity to agree with Brian – a moment to savour!
      If 27a is an &Lit clue my reaction is a hmm! This may just be an indication of my lack of understanding of such things but my first reaction was the same as Brian’s. Otherwise a very enjoyable crossword.
      Thank you to the setter and Dai the Hill

      1. I’m no expert on these things, but I assume that 27a is an &lit because the whole clue is a cryptic description/definition of the answer and the clue contains cryptic word-play that also leads to the answer – an anagram (diverted) of MOON/STAR + ER. But the experts do sometimes disagree about what, exactly, constitutes a standard &lit clue – so,what do I know?

    2. My thoughts also on 27a. I often have problems identifying which word is the definition, and this one just didn’t have one at all…

      1. The whole clue is a cryptic description/definition (ie the definition) of the answer and, concomitantly, the whole clue is also cryptic word-play for the answer – so, an &lit clue. That’s how I see it …

  12. As someone with a bit of OCD when it comes to completing crosswords, I had half a dozen answers scattered around the grid fairly quickly. I much prefer to build the solution from one long answer, using the checkers to help with subsequent clues. I’m sure everyone has their own favourite way of approaching cryptic crosswords, so for me although straightforward, I was a bit off wavelength with the setter.


    Fav 19d LOI 24a.

    Thanks to setter and Twmbarlwm.

      1. SK, I’m not one for reading all clues first or doing downs or across separately, much prefer to look at shape of grid & concentrate on areas that will give the most return.

        1. I do it that way on paper, but on the Telegraph website I lazily just press Tab to go to the next clue — the order of which abruptly changed last year when the new puzzles website launched.

          I’m now used to it being all the acrosses and then all the downs, and that’s probably a more sensible order, but it does mean no early crossing letters. Previously it was strict numerical order through the grid — so for today it’d be 1a, 1d, 2d, 3d, 4d, 5d, 6a, 7d, etc — which seemed a bit haphazard, but if you got 1a then you’d have the benefit straight away.

    1. I have always done the across clues followed by the downs in order. After that I go with he checkers I have.

      1. I always worked that way for donkeys years, and then I started working off answers as they went in, regardless of whether they were across or down clues. I find it does work for me.

  13. Pleasant enough, though not exactly sparkling. Favorite for me is 13A. Thanks to the setter and Twm.

  14. As others seem to have found, it was the little 24&26a that caused the most trouble here.
    No particular favourite today but I did enjoy the solve.

    Thanks to our setter and to Twmbarlwm for the review.

    1. That’s more like it. 1* / 4*
      Lovely, but lighter as we have come to expect on a Tuesday in recent weeks.
      Faves were 10a ( love a misdirected lurker), 13a and 27a (because I knew it would ruffle a few precious feathers)
      Thanks to setter and The Wise Man Bringing Answers….

  15. Yesterday’s puzzle was completed as I was waiting to be ushered into Salisbury Magistrates Court and proved to be an excellent diversion before I mitigated on my own behalf for an over zealous collection of penalty points. You may be pleased to hear that my rhetoric proved to be successful! Today’s was rather less stressfully achieved in the safer confines of the coffee area of the Bedford Hotel Tavistock although I was amused to be approached and joined at my table by a lonely but elegant widow. Retired life is never dull.

    I really enjoyed today’s as an anagram solver and my COTD is the well concealed one in 13a where I was struggling for a while to insert belfry making this a **/**** for me. Thanks to Twmbarlwm and our illustrious setter.

      1. Thank you.

        Amusingly as I went into the wonderful building the security lady asked whom I was representing. She laughed when I told her I was both defendant and counsel.

    1. Congratulations on your successful mitigation. (“What do points mean?” “Successful mitigation!”)

      Weirdly, I’m almost exactly the opposite: anagrams are my least-favourite type of clue and I can rarely solve them without lots of crossing letters from other clue types — but 13a was one I unusually got straight away, meaning it’s also one of my favourites.

      (Though the definition helped a lot: more of “X would work and it looks like those are about the right letters for it, so bung it in and check afterwards” than working it out just by re-arranging the fodder. So maybe I can’t really claim to’ve solved the anagram.)

      1. Hi Smylers. The points were for an annoying collection of 1 MPH over the allowance speed offences plus a silly accident at about 2 MPH: 9+3 = 12 which is a 6 month ban for me bah!

        But they did show clemency giving me the absolute minimum fine.

        I should get fitter now for climbing by having to walk everywhere but also quicker at the DT now I will have more opportunities to attempt it.

  16. For some reason I was held up by 16d. I spent ages trying to fit “ProAm” into the answer and completely forgot the IVR code. Other than that, it was a very enjoyable solve. It was a slow start for me but the long ones helped me to get into it. My favourite and OTD is 9a because it reminded me of the anticipation when going to Boots to pick up the holiday snaps only to find all heads cut off.

    Many thanks to the setter for the fun and Twmbarlwm for the hints.

    1. IVR code — have golf fanatics got so fed up having to co-exist with the rest of us they’ve gone off and formed their own country now?!

      What would the flag be?

  17. Let’s start at the very beginning – a very good place to start.
    Once I get a fixation in my bonce it is hard to adopt a mindfulness approach and ‘let that thought float away’. Rather than dismissing a link to Julie Andrews with 1d which I simply knew had no relationship to the answer, I continued invading my protesting brain with variations of Homer’s cry and Maria von Trapp’s beautifully enunciated ditty. Even with the checking letters in place I resented having to put in the real answer with its resonance of ‘Come, ye thankful people, come, raise the song of harvest home’.
    Oh don’t suggest therapy – I tried that and ended up giving the therapist migraines.

    Then, to compound it all, we’re off to Stamford Bridge again where my poor directionless Chelsea are due to meet the Sturm und Drang of Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool.
    These things are sent to try us.

    Thanks to the setter and The Twmp.

  18. Excellent puzzle, as I’ve said previously I really enjoy this setter.
    18&24a were on my podium but there can only be one winner, 6a.
    Many thanks to Mr Plumb and Twmbarlwm.

  19. A very pleasant Tuesdayish puzzle that was a fairly rapid solve. Apart from the structure of 27a, which I think could have been better clued, I enjoyed the puzzle with the neat 4d my favourite.

    My thanks to our setter for the fun, and to Mr T.

  20. I shall be tackling today’s offerings later. When I got back from a funeral for one of my friends this morning I found the postie had been and pushed an unexpected parcel through my letterbox. DT pen and notepad with personalised letter from Chris Lancaster. It seems I have won a prize in the Saturday Cryptic – but doesn’t say which one.
    My second prize, I won a pack of playing cards many many years ago.
    So it seems clicking submit on Saturdays and Sundays does sometimes produce results.

    1. Maybe if I were to submit online and not email a picture of the completed puzzle. I might win a pen. Maybe they can’t read my writing. :good:

    2. Congratulations. I see that Saturday prize crosswords say “Solution and winners’ names published Mon April, 3” [or whatever the date is 9 days’ later]. Looking at the most recent Mondays, I can see the solutions — on the back page, next to the quick crossword — but not the winners’ names. Anybody know where they are?

      The puzzles website FAQ says: “You will know you have won when you receive your prize in the post. We will not contact winners in advance of them receiving their prize.”

        1. Thanks all. I couldn’t find the Court and Social page on the online Telegraph, google found some ‘announcements’ but none of them anything to do with crosswords. If anybody does find the secret list I would be interested to know.
          Pretty straightforward and quick solve today, worth waiting to do it.

          1. Thanks, Jen. Dave, this was the winners list printed on March 27th (between the legal appointments and the chess column). It’s viewable on PressReader for those with a Leeds library card (and presumably in some other places as well).

            1. Great Smylers, I am indeed the Dave shown there! 30251 was on March 18th so looks like a week after the results come out to get the award. I was a runner up, what do the three first-prize ones get?

    3. Congratulations from the owner of a pack of cards, a fountain pen, propelling pencil and note book AND a ballpoint pen and notebook (over a period of 30 odd years) – beware of flashing the Telegraph pen too ostentatiously, it begins to annoy one’s loved ones!

  21. I have been awol for a few days due to the visit of the daughter of very dear old Dutch friends who is here from Australia. She stayed with us for a long time when she was studying English and was like a third daughter. Anyway, she is now 10 miles away with DD2 and I am fitting in the crossword before being interviewed by the BBC this afternoon. Get that! Nice to be back in the cruciverbal saddle and this was a pleasure. I was only held up by 16d and 24a as a golf competition to me is a match and like Terence, though not so lyrically, I got that stuck in my head. Thanks Twm for sorting me out and thanks to Mr Setter. A glorious day here, and yesterday too walking along the river at Granchester after a splendid lunch, so glad to be in England, now that April’s here………

    1. Oooh, what are you being interviewed about, Daisygirl? (Apologies if you’ve said in a previous days’ comments.) And can we hear you on BBC Sounds/IPlayer?

      1. I signed a non disclosure agreement but come October God willing you will see me in all my glory!
        It was actually a very interesting experience!

        1. Wow, how exciting! Glad you found it interesting, and do shout about it when it’s on.

          1. Do we see you doing the splits, DG?
            Agree with Smylers – please let us know when it is broadcast.

  22. I enjoyed this puzzle, despite falling for the deviation traps.
    I convinced myself that 1ac was chronicler
    16d was obviously Masters, less the s, add ly, hence masterly.

    Thanks to all

  23. A lovely puzzle today, which I successfully completed and just used the hints to check a couple of parsings. 13a was my favourite and 24a and 26a last in.
    Overall a much better effort from me today, maybe helped by the gap when we did our walk with a rescue dog today. She was a beautiful husky, with a very calm temperament but who is blind and only 2 years old, she will need a very special home. The sky was completely blue and deer were running across the fields and whilst I was enjoying myself the answers to the crossword kept in my brain.

    Many thanks to the setter and Twmbarlwm for the hints.

  24. Well. as usual for a Tuesday, this one was a notch up in difficulty from Monday’s puzzle. Took a while to get going but it gradually came to light. A few long ones that took a while solve until I got some checkers in place.

    For me 2*/3.5*

    Favourites include 9a, 3d, 4d, 7d, 11d & 14d with winner 7d
    Hard to pick the winner as they were all good clues.

    Got chuckles from 9a, 21a, 7d as well as several others.

    Thanks to setter and Twmbarlwm

  25. Very Tuesday in terms of difficulty, but I found this a less than scintillating puzzle, with little that will lurk in the memory. 7d was a very weak/lazily constructed clue I felt, and combined anagram and &Lit or not, 27a too was rather below par. One of those very rare days when I finish a puzzle and not a single clue stands out from the herd.
    Ah well, were all puzzles equally brilliant they would soon lose their lustre.

    1.5 / 1

    Thanks anyway to the Setter, just not my cup of tea today; thanks also to Twmbarlwm.

  26. Thank you to the setter for the entertainment and Twmbarlwm for explaining the ‘form’ in 26a. I see there’s quite a lot of consensus on favourite’s today, and I’m not going to change that by expressing my appreciation of 18a (“king’s affair”), 14a (“swallowing scotch”), and 13a (“Pole”). My favourite is 20d, and even more so when I saw Twmbarlwm’s illustration of it. Here’s the 20d I have on my desk at work:

  27. A very enjoyable crossword for me today…especially after yesterday’s which I DNF.

    Thanks to the setter and to Twmbarlwm

  28. Reasonably straightforward but not a barrowload of fun. Had to seek help in the extreme SW in order to finish. 22a goat has occurred a couple of times recently so it didn’t need to be fully parsed. Took sometime seeking golf competition before 16d penny dropped. 24a and 26a beat me. Thank you Messrs. P (?) and T.

  29. I was so pleased to have a puzzle I could do without help … except one, that was 25a. I had the right answer but I couldn’t see the “fool” part, just a momentary senior moment, but checked to see if there was another word I was missing. So I missed an all-on-my-own solve for nothing. I thought this was a treat after yesterday. Fave? I thought maybe 24a, but 18a was another good ‘un. There was lots to like.
    Thank you setter, loved it, and thanks to Toombarloom for his hints and pics.

  30. An enjoyable and steady solve, although there were a few tricky answers that needed teasing out. I was unaware that Belgium is renowned for its butter. I always buy Kerrygold over here for baking. Spent too long thinking about Queen Mary, rather than the ship. No excuse as I actually sailed back from Canada on her when I was 18 months old, my parents having decided emigrating to Canada in 1947 wasn’t quite such a good idea.

    1. I’m not sure Belgium is more renowned for butter than every other European country – that was a case of me stupidly missing most of the wordplay, googling “Belgian butter”, seeing the phrase ‘Is Belgian butter the new Irish butter?’ and jumping to the wrong conclusion in desperation! Sorry. (I did feel I was missing something, but I can’t believe it turned out to be so obvious.)

      1. My comment relates to the hint saying that Belgium is famous for its butters….

        1. I addressed that in my comment, but probably not very clearly! Trying to find extra meaning in the clue as I wrote the blog, I googled ‘Belgian butter’ and found links to quite a lot of it, so came to the (probably erroneous) conclusion that Belgium could be renowned for its butter. If I hadn’t ridiculously missed the B + utter wordplay I wouldn’t have gone pointlessly searching for something else.

  31. I made a slow start snd didn’t pick up speed until a good few checkers went in. Like Rabbit Dave, I found 27a strange, almost as if the compiler had left the definition out by mistake. I also had trouble parsing 1d and had two possibilities in mind, which held me up. I liked 18a, 13a and 2d, so another mixed bag for me today . Thanksto the compiler and to Twmbarlwm for the hints. I’m late on parade today,having finally got my GP surgery to senf a district nurse to our house to take Jim’s fortnightly blood tests. Apparently a doctor has todeclare that you are housebound before they will visit and it’s difficult for Jim to prove he is housebound because he can’t get to the surgery. Catchv12 eh? This afternoon, I mowed both the lawns, pulled up the weeds and seededvthe bare patches. The starlings havegot their beaks into the front lawn , searching for leatherjacket grubs so it will need tlc.

    1. Oh dear CC, life can get so complicated. Interesting you also have the cockchafer/leatherjacket problem, our village has really suffered – our lawn goes round 3 sides of our house and looks like a ploughed field. It is the horrid big birds, jackdaws and crows, and they are driving the little birds away. I am told nematodes are the answer

  32. Very enjoyable puzzle today. NE last in for no reason other than it just was. I made a late start on the toughie after spending half the day getting a new phone (how difficult can it be!), it will have to wait now as darts beckons. Favourite was 11d. Thanks to the setter and T.

  33. Good evening
    I have to hold my hands up – I guessed the answer to 1d as SOFTLY and 26a as LUGS….4a I intuited but had to rely on Twmbarlwm for the explanation; oddly enough, 22a was the first solution I got, and figured out straight away!
    Several instances of an almost audible CLUNK! as pennies dropped all over the place, and a definite CRIKEY! for 13a.
    Many thanks to our compiler and to Twmbarlwm

  34. Pretty much on wavelength for this evening’s solve, favourite was 24a. Thanks to Twmbarlwm and setter

  35. So your mitigation did not work if you got the ban. It can be done but circumstances have to be exceptional. When I have got points it is usually for a few mph over 30. Never just one or two which is usually disregarded. Presumably you took advantage of the speed awareness course to swerve one set of points. People not usually prosecuted for minor accidents which are usually just that – an accident. Seems that you are exceptionally unlucky. Wrong place intended for NAS

  36. 3*/5*….
    liked 24A “People endlessly swallowing one’s scotch (4)”, amongst several others.

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