ST 2767 (Hints)

Sunday Telegraph Cryptic No 2767 (Hints)

Hints and tips by crypticsue

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As is usual for the weekend prize crosswords, I will select a number of the more difficult clues and provide hints for them.

Don’t forget that you can give your assessment of the puzzle. Five stars if you thought it was great, one if you hated it, four, three or two if it was somewhere in between.

Most of the terms used in these hints are explained in the Glossary and examples are available by clicking on the entry under “See also”. Where the hint describes a construct a “usual” this means that more help can be found in The Usual Suspects, which gives a number of the elements commonly used in the wordplay. Another useful page is Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing, which features words with meanings that are not always immediately obvious.

A full review of this puzzle will be published after the closing date for submissions.

Here are some hints:

Across

1a           After a short time, left opposition in legendary island (8)
An informal way for referring to people opposing something goes after A from the clue and the abbreviations for time and left.

Atlantis

16a         Farm building above ground, as opposed to cellar, say (4)
A farm building which sounds like (say) a homophone of the opposite of a homophone of cellar.

byre

17a         Series of shots producing recovery (5)
A double definition clue.

rally

18a         Female of higher class in England than in France or US? (4)
This term for a lady refers to a much higher class of female in England than it does in France, and especially in the USA!

23a         Like the word you need to write but not the words in the clue (12)
The words of the clue have only one segment of speech but as the clue says, the self-defining solution you need to write has more.

28a         Argument that’s often heard over church? (4-4)
An informal fight sounds like something you might hear coming from a church on Sunday morning, or if you live in our parish, on a Monday night when we practice!

ding dong

Down

2d           What’s needed to finish crossword, yet I can’t, weirdly (8)
Sticking firmly to the task of solving this crossword is an anagram (weirdly) of YET I CANT.

4d           Add twice as much nonsense about learner (6)
Some nonsense put about the abbreviation for learner.   The realisation that the definition makes sense was one of my d’oh moments this morning.

triple

6d          Some detour is typical, especially for sightseers (8)
Hidden in some of the clue!

Touristy

7d           Harrods is this sort of shop (4)
I’m blaming Post Elgar-blogging stress disorder for the  age it took me  to spot the obvious anagram indicator in this one!

Harrods

19d         Ma’s letters are recited in Asian language (8)
How you would spell out the letters of MA, a homophone (recited) of are and in from the clue.

25d         Master giving choice of ends in football field (4)
Write down how you would choose between the ends of football and field.

When BD gets back from York, he will be checking to make sure everyone is obeying the ‘rules’ so I hope that everyone is taking note of the red instructions, unlike yesterday when there were two ‘sendings to the Naughty Corner’.      I know I haven’t given as many hints as BD but if you ask nicely, I am sure someone will help you if you are stuck.


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Today it’s Happy Birthday to Audley Harrison (43) and Jaclyn Smith (69)

 

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38 Comments

  1. Sweet William
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Thank you Virgilius for another super puzzle which I really enjoyed – 16a, 25d in particular ! Thank you CS for your very early hints and photos. I needed your explanation for 19d – I had the answer and your hint clarified mattershttp://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yes.gif

    • crypticsue
      Posted October 26, 2014 at 11:15 am | Permalink

      Hints up early for two reasons – firstly Mr CS woke up at the ‘normal’ time and insisted that I should be awake too. Secondly, since Friday morning, in addition to my usual puzzle solving, I have blogged half the Friday Toughie, spent literally hours solving/blogging the Elgar NTSPP, prepared the draft review of yesterday’s DT Prize Puzzle ready for Friday, and solved/provided hints for today’s puzzle. Unsurprisingly both my poor old brain and Mr CS think I should be doing something non-crossword-related for the rest of the day.

  2. Rabbit Dave
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    I shall think very carefully today before pressing Post Comment as I ate all the cake yesterday…

    This was 2*/4* for me for another in a long line of very enjoyable Sunday puzzles although some parts needed a bit of 2d. Quite a coincidence to see a couple of very recent answers from other setters cropping up again so soon. 19d was my favourite, with 23a running it close.

    Many thanks to Vigilius and to Crypticsue.

  3. George
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Argh – some very good word plays in this one 25d, 18a, 23a had me scratching my head for a while. I could see the answers, but to figure out the wordplay was surely enlightening!

    2*/5* would be good with me.

  4. Expat Chris
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    What a relief this was after dying by inches over yesterday’s Elgar! Took me a while to figure out the ‘why’ of 21A though the answer couldn’t have been anything else. Loved 23A, 26A and 8D. Thanks, Virgilius for restoring my confidence, and thanks to you CS for the review (and going above and beyond!).

  5. Una
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Finished at last. Some of the clues were really obscure , such as 26a , getting it only by accident .23a was my favourite . Thanks Virgilius and CS.

  6. MikeT
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Wow! that was some work-out. 23A had me struggling through the BRG, after getting some of the letters, and CS’s hint for 16A took me longer to work than actually filling in the answer – although the hint is absolutely spot-on. Very clever clue. 19D definitely my favourite.

  7. Jezza
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Superb Sunday puzzle – the most enjoyable for me for a while! Thanks to Virgilius, and to Crypticsue.

  8. Kath
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Another great Sunday crossword – I really enjoyed it especially as I was totally crossword deprived yesterday.
    I thought this was of average difficulty for a Sunday.
    I needed CS’s hint to understand 19d and haven’t yet managed to untangle the subtlety of 4d – I know there is one!
    The first and last letters of 25d caused a bit of grief but sorted that out and although I found 6d without too much trouble I missed 21a for ages.
    All the sporty jargon that I’ve learnt here must be, at last, rubbing off on me – I managed 16d – just call me smug!
    I liked 15 and 23a and 2 and 7d. My favourite was 24d.
    With thanks to Virgilius and to CS – maybe you should award yourself the rest of the day off.
    Stuff to do for a while now and then I’ll do (or try to do) yesterday’s crossword – I want to see who misbehaved and ate all the cake while I was in London helping younger Pet xxxx do some sorting out in her flat. http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/smiley-phew.gif
    I thought that I’d have an NTSPP to do as well but maybe I’ll give that one a miss . . .

    • Rabbit Dave
      Posted October 26, 2014 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

      Surely you have misbehaved today, and will be sent where I went yesterday as soon as CS spots it…

      • Rabbit Dave
        Posted October 26, 2014 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

        P.S. regarding 4d, if you start with one thing then add twice as much to it, how many things do you end up with?

        P.P.S. well done on getting 16d
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        • Kath
          Posted October 26, 2014 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

          Re 4d – oh – thought I was missing more than that but thanks anyway. Thanks too on the well done for 16d. I was quite proud of getting that one although I did have to check the second bit – BRB doesn’t specify how many there are of them in it.

      • crypticsue
        Posted October 26, 2014 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

        I am very very tired and so had to read Kath’s comment several times. I presume you mean the ‘wrong’ information with regard to 25d?

        • Rabbit Dave
          Posted October 26, 2014 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

          No, Kath has done exactly what I did unwittingly yesterday and mentioned one of the answers in a totally different context.

          I expect Kath will brand me a tell-tale now, and I didn’t leave any cake by way of compensation …
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          • crypticsue
            Posted October 26, 2014 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

            D’oh So she did.

          • Kath
            Posted October 26, 2014 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

            You may well be a tell-tale but now I’m totally confused. http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_unsure.gif
            What wrong information about 25d is CS talking about? http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_unsure.gif again.
            However many times I re-read my original comment I can’t find an answer in a different context. Another http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_unsure.gif and a http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_sad.gif just for good measure!

            • Rabbit Dave
              Posted October 26, 2014 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

              Mmm! How can I reply without getting sent to the Naughty Corner myself?

              Firstly, I don’t think there is anything wrong with what you said about getting 25d wrong because you didn’t give your wrong answer. Being very tired, Sue didn’t see your naughty word and thought I must be talking about 25d when I wasn’t!
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              As for your real transgression, if you look at the word CS has now redacted from your comments using her little xs you will see that it is one of today’s answers! I only mentioned it because that it exactly what I got nicked for yesterday …
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              • Kath
                Posted October 26, 2014 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

                http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/icon_redface.gif and http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/icon_rolleyes.gif So I did!! now I’ll call you a tell-tale.
                Still don’t get the 25d “argument”. I didn’t give any information, right or wrong, and I didn’t get it wrong – at least I don’t think I did. So still http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_unsure.gif

                • Jane
                  Posted October 26, 2014 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

                  Think I’m glad I only get the weekday papers. http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yes.gif

      • Merusa
        Posted October 26, 2014 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

        Funny, as I was writing my answer in I knew that Kath would get into trouble with it!

    • Jane
      Posted October 26, 2014 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

      Oh PLEASE, Kath – do give it a go! Hanni and I are currently sharing her corner, complete with G&T’s, comfy sofa and a ban on any ‘golf speak’. You’re very welcome to join us. http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yes.gif

      • Kath
        Posted October 26, 2014 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

        Oh OK then – all that sounds just too tempting, especially the ban on golf speak! http://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yes.gif I just know that I can’t do Elgar crosswords – I think I did manage one answer, once, and a very long time ago.
        Anyway, going to have a go at yesterday’s back page first. Back later – and I don’t want to find any drunkenness or otherwise bad behaviour on my return!

  9. Vancouverbc
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    **** for enjoyment. I really liked 23a – possibly the best this year. 11a was also so well constructed and 19d made me chuckle. Thanks to the sitter and crypticsue for the review.

  10. JonP
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    **/**** for a most enjoyable if not overly tricky puzzle. Thanks to CS and Virgilius.

  11. Tantalus
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Very enjoyable start to the day so thx to Use and V for the acetyl choline shots. Can anyone help me explain 18a to Mrs T, she was more than a tad insulted by the implications.

    • JonP
      Posted October 26, 2014 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

      I think that it refers to the female equivalent of the specific honorific address used for people such as Galahad and Lancelot. Certainly not prejudicial as the surface reading would imply!

  12. Heno
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to Virgilius and to CrypticSue for the hints. A very enjoyable puzzle as usual from Virgilius. Some super clues, and a couple of homophones that made me groan. The hidden words were fantastic. Favourites were 15a & 7&16d. Last in was 8d, needed electronic help for that, just couldn’t think of a word to fit or get it from the wordplay. Stand by for early darkness. Was 2*/4* for me.

  13. Miffypops
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    It is finished and submitted. I have no idea how 27ac works. I cannot see what Kath has done wrong. Cryptic Sue is a wizard and a true star. It is raining in Belfast but Van Morrison is in town and I have tickets.

    • crypticsue
      Posted October 26, 2014 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

      The vital words you need to think about in 27a are ‘starts’ and ‘original’!

      • Miffypops
        Posted October 26, 2014 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

        Got it. Thanks.

  14. Merusa
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    I so look forward to Sundays and Virgilius’ puzzles. Like Kath, being au fait with only tennis, I knew not why 25d was right but it couldn’t be anything else. So many clever, clever clues: 18a, 23a, 10a, but my fave has to be 16a. I forgot to mention 19d, but I did need CS’s explanation for that one.
    Thanks to Virgilius for the usual entertainment, and to Cryptic Sue for her monumental efforts on our behalf this weekend.

  15. Graham Wall
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Sunday is by far the best day of the week for the Telegraph Cryptic. Today is no exception, what a great puzzle. I think the setter is Baldrick because he had a cunning plan! Veryr enjoyable and very tricky in places. Got there in the end. Favourite is 3D with 23A deserving honourable mention. More difficult than usual so my rating is 3.5/4
    Thanks to CS for the review.

  16. Gwizz
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Hmm, that took a while! I got there eventually with 8d causing me more grief than it should have. Once the penny dropped I was scratching my head as to why.
    Oh well. 9a was my personal fave.
    Thanks to Virgilius for a super puzzle and CS for the revue.

  17. Brian
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Nice puzzle today but I have several where I can only parse part of the clue and they are not in the hints.
    Ie can see the house in 12d but the rest make no sense, in 25d where does the football field come in? In 10a, why the passed around?
    Best clue def 23a which was very clever.
    Also surely 19d is an oriental language rather than an Asian one.
    Thx to all

    • Kath
      Posted October 26, 2014 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

      12d is the house – you’re right about that. You need the name of a newspaper which contains (in) the usual abbreviation for editor. Then turn that lot upside down (upset) and follow it with another word meaning longed for.
      I seem to be already in trouble about 25d although I’m not sure why but you want the end letters of football and field.
      10a The passed around is just telling you that you need to put the abbreviation for N(ew) inside another word meaning outfit or equipment.

      • Brian
        Posted October 26, 2014 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

        Thx Kath, I can put this one to bed now with a clear mindhttp://bigdave44.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_good.gif

  18. Salty Dog
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    I rather enjoyed this one, which l thought was a bit tougher than the usual Sunday fare. 3*/4* by my reckoning, and l think 23a is the pick. Thanks to Virgilius, and CrypticSue for the review.

  19. Owdoo
    Posted October 26, 2014 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    I enjoyed this too but didn’t find it too taxing. 28a seems to have made a rather swift reappearance, and 27a even swifter!
    2*/4* overall and my favourite was 23a.
    Thanks Virgilius and CS.