DT 27205 (Hints)

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 27205 (Hints)

Big Dave’s Crossword Club

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Today is your last chance to enter our June Prize puzzle.

As is usual for the weekend prize crosswords, an assortment of clues, including some of the more difficult ones, have been selected and hints provided for them.

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Most of the terms used in these hints are explained in the Glossary and examples are available by clicking on the entry under “See also”.

A full review of this puzzle will be published after the closing date for submissions.

Across

1a           Black stuff covering bishop’s pen (6)
A black fossil fuel around the form of address for a bishop

4a           Breakfast food cooler? (8)
Two definitions – a breakfast food   and a cooler or jail

8a           Scientist on holiday entering wine store (6)
A three-letter adverb meaning on holiday or away inside a case with compartments in which to store bottled wine

12a         Hard-hearted, without Biblical character? (8)
This could mean without King David’s great-grandmother

13a         Sauce with food — it’s red and goes on chops (6)
A three-letter word meaning sauce or impudence followed by some food gives a red cosmetic

18a         Muscles stretch — that’s in theory (8)
A three-letter abbreviated form of some muscles followed by a stretch or extent

21a         Put forward in support of sterling (8)
A three-letter word meaning in support of followed by the standard monetary unit of sterling, so named because it used to be worth its weight in silver

26a         Mischief-maker trapping insect, all round it’s pathetic (6)
A mischievous or fairy-like being around (trapping) around an insect, all reversed (round)

Down

1d           Accountant and graduate left small party (5)
The abbreviation for a Scottish accountant followed by a graduate and L(eft) gives a small political group

2d           Rush outside recently having restored energy (9)
A rush of the kind that grows in a marsh around an adjective meaning recently having or latest

3d           Row over time needed for descent (7)
A row followed by (over in a down clue) a period of time gives descent or ancestry

6d           In retrospect, we would decline a little liquid (7)
Reverse (in retrospect) the abbreviated form of we would and follow it with a decline

12d         Fizzy beer left by beast — revolting (9)
An anagram (fizzy) of BEER followed by L(eft) and a beast

17d         Act without restraint in high-scoring cricket match? (3,4)
A phrasal verb meaning to act without restraint is also a description of a high-scoring cricket match

22d         Miss a trick (5)
Two definitions – a verb meaning to miss and a trick


The Crossword Club is now open. Feel free to leave comments.

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The Quick crossword pun: (Mars} + {cap} + {pony} = {mascarpone}


95 Comments

  1. Collywobbles
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    This must be a RayT puzzle!

    • Posted June 15, 2013 at 11:40 am | Permalink

      Well, it’s not! You can’t blame Ray just because you can’t solve it. For me it was 2-star difficulty (just).

      • Collywobbles
        Posted June 15, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink

        Of course I know it’s not RayT, Dave, and I have come to enjoy, and solve, his puzzles. But, this is far more than 2*. Let’s see what other folk say!

      • Caravaggio
        Posted June 15, 2013 at 11:48 am | Permalink

        I totally agree, Dave, because, after my dismal performance last Saturday, I ripped through this puzzle – much like Lancashire’s two opening bowlers did to Essex’s batting line-up yesterday…

        • stanXYZ
          Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

          Oh Dear! And then 17d appears the next day!

          [A comment from somewhere in Essex … :cry: ]

          • Caravaggio
            Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

            I’m pleased to see that you’ve not lost your sense of humour, Stan!

    • crypticsue
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

      It took me slightly longer than usual for a Cephas but it’s still in 2* territory (just).

    • Merusa
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

      I didn’t whizz through it, but it certainly is do-able with a lot of nail biting. I would give it **+.

  2. Rabbit Dave
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    I found this a gentle but nonetheless enjoyable puzzle today. Rating */*** with 4d my favourite.

    The only help I needed was to reach for the BRB to check the meaning for my answer for 11a.

    16d seems to crop up on a 16d basis!

    12d seems strange to me. The clue seems to be pointing to an adjective but the answer is a noun, or am I missing something (as is often the case)?

    Many thanks to the setter and to BD for the hints.

    • neveracrossword
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

      I thought 12d was very clever. “Fighting” might be a crossword clue for “battle” – or “eating” for “meal”. (N’est-ce pas?)

      • Rabbit Dave
        Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

        Mmm. I understand what you are saying, but I’m not totally convinced. You wouldn’t say “I enjoyed that eating”, or “it was a bloody fighting”, would you? Also, in the BRB eating and fighting are listed as potential nouns as is revolt, but revolting is not.

        • Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

          While I don’t like this use of revolting, you could conceivably say the revolting was violent or the fighting was bloody – it’s all in how you construct your example.

          • Rabbit Dave
            Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

            Personally I might say the fighting was bloody, but I would never say the revolting was violent. Nevertheless, I submit….

  3. Burkey
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Today was a pleasure with 13a’s misdirection catching me hook, line, sinker and copy of Angling Times!
    Just got 25a left which I just know will have me wincing at my slowness when I spot it, or someone helps me spot it…

    • crypticsue
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

      You’ll definitely wince – its an anagram.

      • Burkey
        Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

        Oh Lordy. I had discounted that on account of wrongly putting **** as the second word of 17d. All now clear thank you.

    • Kath
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

      25a – the definition is storyteller and it’s an anagram (stirring) of rant and roar.

  4. crypticsue
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Today’s NTSPP is recommended – for those new to the blog, this isn’t something found in the paper, but a special crossword just for BD’s blog. There is a link to it, either from the home page, or at the top of the list of Recent Posts at the top of the right hand ‘column’.

    • Merusa
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

      Got it and downloaded. I hope you aren’t getting me bogged down and spending the day tearing my hair out!

  5. Kath
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    I found this quite tricky in places – don’t know why – I just did. Very enjoyable but it’s taken me some time.
    If I’ve ever heard of 11a before then I have forgotten it. I wanted to make the second word of 17d the same as Burkey but already had the last letter from 25a which I was fairly sure about – is it a real cricket term? I can’t find it anywhere. Even having read the hint I still don’t understand my answer for 21a – I get the first three letters meaning ‘in support’ but where the rest of it comes from remains a complete mystery – oh dear!
    I liked 8, 15 and 20a and 4 and 14d. My favourite was 13a.
    With thanks to Mr Ron and BD.

    • gazza
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

      If you can’t understand the second bit of 21a it probably means you’ve got the wrong answer.

      • Kath
        Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

        Thanks gazza and CS – you’re both right, of course – how could I possibly have been so dim – 6th and 7th letters just a little bit wrong! :roll: and :oops:

        • crypticsue
          Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

          You just wanted an opportunity to play with the emoticons ;)

          • Kath
            Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

            Any excuse is better than none! Might play with bold and italics too while I’m here – chucking it down with rain in Oxford and it’s not even warm. :sad:

            • crypticsue
              Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

              Warm sunny, very very gusty wind, occasional downpours, but great washing drying, lemon cake baking, blog typing weather. Sorry it isn’t as good where you are.

              • Merusa
                Posted June 15, 2013 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

                Am watching the tennis from Queens and they’re hopping on and off the court like rabbits. It must be so difficult for the players

    • crypticsue
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

      Look at the second part of your answer for 21a and think about ‘sterling’. Put your shin pads on first though as it will hurt when you kick yourself.

  6. John
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    An enjoyable puzzle, though I needed a couple of hints, favourite has to be 13a as it made me laugh!
    Many thanks, as ever, to the setter BD for his helpful hints.

    • Kath
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

      Yes – 13a made me laugh too.

      • steve_the_beard
        Posted June 15, 2013 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

        I was rather surprised to see 13A in the dictionary – I’ve only ever heard it in Ab Fab, and I have a wife and two daughters!

  7. Caroline
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    I read the blog everyday and the one’s I find impossible everyone else finds a gentle romp! Today’s was a pleasant morning’s work, but I’m stuck on 17d. How hard can it be to think of a 4 letter word when I have the two checking letters! Please can someone give me a gentle nudge? Thanks to setter and BD.

    • Amanda
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

      ********. [Please don’t provide alternative clues for prize puzzles BD]

      • Amanda
        Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

        Sorry!

        • Caroline
          Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

          Thanks Amanda. Sorry you got into trouble! I think Prize Crosswords have a different protocol! And I’m still stuck!! Just about to list every permutation of that cheeky four letter word!

          • Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

            Chambers lists the following synonyms for the answer – go on the rampage, go berserk

            • Caroline
              Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

              Thanks but I still had amok in my head! Eventually found it – the 41st out of a possible 52 permutations – and I’d still never heard the expression. You definitely do learn something new everyday!

            • pommers
              Posted June 16, 2013 at 12:02 am | Permalink

              Alternative clues?

              • Posted June 16, 2013 at 7:30 am | Permalink

                Synonyms of words in the clue, which I use all the time.

                Alternative clues are those which happen to have the same answer but have nothing to do with the clue.

  8. Ade
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    23a I have the answer I think as it seems obvious, but why! Ta

    • Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

      23a Virginia not involved in crooked villainous trick (8)

      An anagram (crooked) of (V)ILL(A)INOUS after VA (abbreviation for the US state of Virginia) has been removed.

      • steve_the_beard
        Posted June 15, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

        This was my last in, so it has my vote for the best of the day :-)

      • Ade
        Posted June 16, 2013 at 7:27 am | Permalink

        Ooh thanks v much that is unexpectedly devious. I would have expected the VA to have been together in that construct, but live and learn, hopefully!

        • Posted June 16, 2013 at 7:34 am | Permalink

          The convention is that it’s OK if the letters are in the same order in the fodder – otherwise a further anagram indicator is required. Is it contrived? Yes, but don’t blame me, I’m only the messenger..

  9. spindrift
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    As always seems to be the case for me on Saturdays – a slow start followed by a fast final furlong. Most enjoyable & thanks to BD for the hints as usual.

  10. jezza
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    1* time for me this morning. Thanks to setter and to BD.
    Is the abbr in 1d specifically Scottish?

    • Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

      No, it also applies to Canadian accountants. English accountants have different letters after their names.

  11. Amanda
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    At first pass I had very few answers – 21a was my first in – but things soon started falling into place. Managed to finish without hints or electronic help, though I did have to use the thesaurus a few times. I put in the only answer I could think of for 17d and found the correct one.
    The thesaurus is on my iPad. Hope that doesn’t count as electronic help.
    Dredged the answer to 11a from the back of my mind, but like Rabbit Dave had to look it up in the BRB to check its meaning.
    For me it was low ** difficulty/ **** enjoyment.
    Thanks as ever to setter and BD.

  12. Expat Chris
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    I actually raced through this, and would have finished much sooner had I not stared disbelievingly at my (correct) answer to 13A for 10 minutes. Call me Grumpy Chris today, but I thought it rather 26A…and an alternative spelling that’s not in my BRD, 9th Ed. Still, I did like 17D. Not often that I can work out a cricket clue. Thanks to the setter and to BD. Now, onward to the challenge of the NTSPP!

    • Vigo
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

      I also was not as keen as the majority on 13a. Can’t find this spelling anywhere even on google – certainly not in Chambers or any of the online dictionaries. Also wasted time staring it as sure there must be some other related word. Maybe I’m being a bit of a grump (I thnk my husband would agree – we’re preparing for a children’s birthday party which doesn’t bring out the best in me!) but even though the misdirection was clever I found it dissatisfying to solve because the spelling was dodgy. Also liked 17d though and found the puzzle enjoyable and fairly straightforward as a whole

      • Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

        It’s in my copy of Chambers – as “noun (informal; also ******)” under the more usual spelling.

        • Expat Chris
          Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

          Mine just has the usual spelling.

        • williamus
          Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

          Both spellings are in the Chambers iPhone App

        • Vigo
          Posted June 15, 2013 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

          Which copy of Chambers do I need to have? I think ours was a wedding present so is 10 years old. It does have the word we are discussing in but not with the same meaning – just as an old Scottish measure.

          • Posted June 15, 2013 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

            I use the 12th Edition (2011).

            • Vigo
              Posted June 15, 2013 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

              I’ll put it on my Christmas list!

  13. williamus
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Nice one. I agree 2* maybe 2.5* difficulty if only because it took me quite a few minutes to get into. No issues with any of the clues or definitions and I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed it. Some nice humorous touches (12a always makes me chuckle as it’s Mrs W’s name). Like some others I fell for the misdirection in 13a, very good. For some reason, last in (forgive the cricketing pun) was 17d… I was mentally going through four-letter words with the checking letters before it came to me.. doh!

    Many thanks to Cephas (?) and BD.

  14. patsyann
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    R 12a. I’ve often wondered why the first half of the word is never used as an adjective. If you are
    soft hearted you must be full of it!

    Enjoyed this one very much. Thanks to compiler and blogger.

    • steve_the_beard
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

      I remember that word vividly because it was in an English Vocab test at school, and only one person got it right (not me!).

  15. williamus
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Just noticed that the quickie pun is actually four clues together, rather than the three that the italics suggest…

    • stanXYZ
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

      Say Cheese! Well spotted!

    • Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

      It works with 3 or 4.

      • williamus
        Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

        Yes it does BD, but I think it’s fairly certain that it’s a typo

  16. Bluebird
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Straightforward for me today. And anything that I can complete without any help has to be ** or less. Or maybe * or less. Is there ever a “less than one star” like some restaurant columns?

    One of those days when words emerge out of the air, I guess.
    Normally I do the Sudoku first on a weekday. On Sat not. Perhaps I should avoid stimulating one part of the brain before going straight to another………. Only about 3 ins apart but still…..

  17. Bluebird
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure this has been asked many times, but why do we never say ****ful, when we often say ********?

    • Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

      And we hardly ever use couth, but often use uncouth – and so on. (My spellcheck queried the former but not the latter)

  18. SheilaP
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    I agree with Collywobbles, I think it was quite hard today & I don’t think the answer to 12 down is the correct part of speech, unless we’ve got the wrong answer of course. Thank you setter & hinter.

  19. Brian
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Thought this was a little more difficult than 2* perhaps 2.5 but once running it was fine.
    Not perhaps the easiest of Saturday puzzles but very fair. I even remembered that the way to address a Bishop (Thx CS).
    Did like 18a.
    Thx to all.

  20. Heno
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to Cephas and to Big Dave for the hints. I quite enjoyed this, it was a bit tricky in parts, but I managed ok, was 2*/3* for me. Favourites were 13&26a and 20a raised a smile. Sunshine and showers in Central London.

  21. Merusa
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    I did finish with a little difficulty. I wondered why 4a was cooler but googled it and there it was, another Brit speak; I’ll try to remember that, but it’ll probably never come up again. And 13a??? Never heard of it, but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Enjoyable, thanks to all.

  22. Derek
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    A pretty straightforward solve today!

    As this is a prize crossword, I am not getting involved with blogging – I don’t wish to get into the sin bin!

    I enjoy reading all the comments – some people make hard weather of some of the puzzles.

    To be a good solver, one has to have a first-class memory!

  23. DeeCee
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Well last week I thought you were all a load of cleverclogs because I found it really difficult and didn’t complete it!! Well, I did by Thursday. This week I’ve finished it but I confused myself as 1A I put STABLE because of SABLE then didn’t know where the T came from. 15A fooled me as I thought it should have an ‘A’ in it. Anyway, a very enjoyable puzzle and glad it stretches my little mind, so thanks for that!!

    • Posted June 15, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

      Welcome to the blog DeeCee (I’ve removed the capitals as they are bad form on the internet)

      Please be careful when discussing prize puzzles in this way – it’s so easy to give away answers, or even letters in answers.

      • DeeCee
        Posted June 15, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

        Sorry and I have taken note!

        • Posted June 15, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

          Don’t worry – this time your attempts were so far out that they were no use to anyone!

          • DeeCee
            Posted June 15, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

            Haha!!! That is so funny and so glad I didn’t mess up – though I am hours behind everyone else so …….. but I will be careful next time, just in case I am on the ball sooner …!! Fat chance!!

  24. Rosie G
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Found the first three quarters a 1* but battled a bit with the SW corner. Despite the spelling I liked 13a . Definitely 3* for enjoyment as some fun clues. Despite a grim forecast today Cheshire has been sunny again! I think the Earth!s axis must have shifted a tad.

  25. steve_the_beard
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Am I alone in thinking that BD has missed a wonderful picture opportunity in 20A ? :-)

    • crypticsue
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

      You like a picture of a nice tropical ****** then, Steve? :D

      • steve_the_beard
        Posted June 15, 2013 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

        But of course! The young lady au naturel would, naturally, be optional :-)

        By the bye, I’m rather fond of the use of water in Bill Viola’s works.

  26. Rosie G
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Meant to say thanks to setter and to BD for hints

  27. Sue
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    Found this one easier than last week’s, with most of the clues flying in. Liked 13A best. Very windy here, garden pots in danger of taking off. Babysitting new granddaughter tomorrow – wish me luck!

    • Kath
      Posted June 15, 2013 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

      Good luck with new granddaughter – does that really have two D’s – looks funny but seems to have passed spell checker as not underlined. Our entire garden is in danger of taking off – I hate strong winds at this time of year when everything has got very tall.

  28. Little Dave
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Done whilst dodging the rain at the cricket in Edgbaston. Are we going to get a summer anytime soon? 17d hardly described today’s entertainment which was ruined by the rain. Bah!

  29. Shawn as in 'prawn'
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    Had to use your clues today as I did not have my Chambers at hand. I am visiting my son in London and had to purchase the Telegraph to do my weekly puzzle. Our daily uses this puzzle in the South Africa, and I just had to get my fix!

    But you call this summer, on Thursday at midday, the temperature was 24C, and I have come to escape our winter! I hope I have brought some warm weather with me!

    Once again thanks for the blog and all the subscribers.

  30. Michael
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Been busy today so I’ve only just got round to it this evening – pretty straightforward although I didn’t like 13a – downmarket slang to me – but then again what do I know!

  31. una
    Posted June 16, 2013 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    I found it really very pleasant except for the last two I can’t get ! Any help accepted for 14d and 17d ,even the earlier discussion didn’t help.

    • una
      Posted June 16, 2013 at 12:28 am | Permalink

      Oh well ! everyone has gone to bed or on to Sunday’s treat. I wonder if there will be a “Bloom’s day ” theme.I’m not looking at it until tomorrow.Got 14d but still stuck on 17d

      • KiwiColin
        Posted June 16, 2013 at 12:48 am | Permalink

        We’re here. 14d. Definition is celebrity. Made up of word for being and word for mature.
        17d. definition is “act without restraint”. *********************.
        That’ll probably get me on the naughty step [It has! BD]

        • una
          Posted June 16, 2013 at 12:58 am | Permalink

          Thanks , KiwiColin, got there in the end by myself, but it’s really nice to know that somebody is out there .I may be of help to you tomorrow if it is “Bloom’s day ” themed . Cheers !

      • una
        Posted June 16, 2013 at 12:49 am | Permalink

        I think I may have finally got 14d, and I don’t know why it took me so long !I suppose I don’t associate the phrase with cricketers .

        • Ade
          Posted June 16, 2013 at 7:54 am | Permalink

          I think the question mark says it all. It’s not really a cricket saying :)

          • Posted June 16, 2013 at 7:56 am | Permalink

            Try running cricket and the answer through a search engine – you might be surprised.

  32. Palookaville
    Posted June 16, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Afternoon folks. All done bar 15a. Well, I think I have it via the first phase, but just do not understand how the second fits.

    • Palookaville
      Posted June 16, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

      Oh, sorry, I do have the last word as a definition. This vanishing husband is confusing me still.

      • crypticsue
        Posted June 16, 2013 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

        Split your solution 4, 2. If you put H for husband before the 2 letters all should make sense :)