ST 2680 (Hints)

Sunday Telegraph Cryptic No 2680 (Hints)

Hints and tips by Big Dave

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As is usual for the weekend prize crosswords, I will select a few of the more difficult clues and provide hints for them.

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Most of the terms used in these hints are explained in the Glossary and examples are available by clicking on the entry under “See also”.   Definitions are underlined in the clues.

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Across

1a           One can expect us, in a way, to provide record of costs (7,7)
An anagram (in a way) of ONE CAN EXPECT US

11a         Consequently , making some progress, but in the wrong direction (4)
Hidden (some) and reversed (in the wrong direction) inside the clue

12a         Benevolent type , one hopefully contributing money to water supplier? (4-6)
This could be someone who throws money into a fountain!

17a         Monster Greek character encountered in youth (8)
A letter in the Greek alphabet inside a youth or young person – brilliant surface reading

21a         Information about mature people holding a moderate position (6,4)
A three-letter word for information around an adjective meaning mature followed by some male people around the A from the clue

26a         Like people giving 100 per cent , where they all do badly (5-9)
An anagram (badly) of WHERE THEY ALL DO

Down

1d           Times included among English newspapers, say (7)
The mathematical symbol for times or multiply inside E(nglish) and a collective noun for newspapers

2d           Simple meal for chap who takes a share to work (10,5)
This chap’s share is use to cultivate the ground!

3d           It’s a gas , one repeated endlessly (4)
Start with ONE ONE (one repeated) and drop the outer letters (endlessly)

5d           Performed festive music girl conducted (8)
… at Christmas

7d           Leader of Nationalists and I can represent this part of island (8,7)
The abbreviation for this part of an island is NI (leader of Nationalists and I)

8d           Inadequacy of paintings he had put up outside (6)
Some paintings with the reversal (put up) of the abbreviated form of he had outside

17d         Very strong foreign fighter has trounced you, initially (6)
A Russian aeroplane (foreign fighter) followed by the initial letters of three words in the clue

23d         Epitome of insobriety reformed over time (4)
The amphibian that is an epitome of insobriety,or being drunk, comes from a word meaning reformed or fresh followed by T(ime)

If you need further help then please ask and I will see what I can do.

As this is a Prize crossword, please don’t put whole or partial answers or alternative clues in your comment, else they may be censored!


Today it’s Happy Birthday to Bill Bailey (49) and George Thorogood (63)

72 Comments

  1. Only fools
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Another cracker from Virgilius .Faves 2d,16d,6d and 22a and23d which were my last 2 in and were terrific .
    Thanks very much .

  2. Digby
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 12:51 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Overall an enjoyable Sunday morning excursion, though I felt that a couple of weak clues detracted from the high quality we have come to expect recently.
    Thanks as ever to BD for his efforts, and of course to our setter.

  3. Nanaglugglug
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Wow!! Found this quite tricky and still don’t have an answer for 22a! Any help gratefully appreciated!

    • gazza
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:05 pm | Permalink | Reply

      22a Point in what finally converts adjectives to nouns (4)
      What would you add to ‘good’ for example to make it a noun?

      • Colmce
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Night?

      • Nanaglugglug
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:16 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Ahhhhh!!! We had what we thought was the right answer but no idea why!! Thanks Gazza-I can now go out to lunch with a clear mind(??!)

      • mary
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:29 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Thanks gazza I was stuck on that too, would not have got it!

        • Poppy
          Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Me too! :-)

          • Merusa
            Posted February 24, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink | Reply

            Me too

      • Himself
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 7:21 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Thanks from me too Gazza.

      • Kath
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 7:33 pm | Permalink | Reply

        And me – thanks gazza. :smile:

      • spindrift
        Posted February 25, 2013 at 8:24 am | Permalink | Reply

        Thanks Gazza. That little beggar kept distracting me from my No2 son’s first attempt at a Sunday roast. And a bloody good effort it was too!

    • gnomethang
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink | Reply

      As I have to blog this may I point out a definition of Point as in Cape?.
      Lovely puzzle as always – thanks to Mr Greer and BD

      • crypticsue
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 10:15 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Hello – it’s me that has to blog this one – well I think so – I have just done two lots of Saturdays and so I must be on Sundays, although you still have a Sunday to produce for this Thursday, followed by yesterday’s Cephas on Friday..

        My draft review does indeed point out the definition of point as in cape.

        • gnomethang
          Posted February 24, 2013 at 10:26 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Point Taken.
          Love you too!

  4. Sweet William
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Good fun as usual, thank you Virgilius and BD for hints. Had to look carefully at one or two to make sure that the wordplay tied in with what I thought was the answer. 22a and 23d come to mind. New expression for me at 21a and new word at 17a. Displaying usual lack of GK.

  5. Colmce
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Whistled through this one until I hit the bottom left where I got into a dreadful muddle, lots of nice words that fitted, but not the right ones. Gave myself a severe talking too and eventually got it sorted, had forgotten the foreign fighter.

    Thanks to BD for the review.

    Thanks to Virgilius for leading me up the garden path.

  6. Poppy
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:19 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Bit of a struggle with this. 21a new phrase for me. Liked 24 and 17 across. Would be very grateful for clarification of 16d. If I’m right, it’s not a word I’ve ever heard used unless coupled with ‘smart’ … :-o so perhaps my solution is wrong. Many thanks to setter and BD.

    • gazza
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:25 pm | Permalink | Reply

      16d Be better than something that’s of no use to smoker? (8)
      If split as (3,5) this would be of no use to someone lighting up.

      • Poppy
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:40 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Sorry, Gazza – I’m still being thick. I’ve got the 5 letter part for the smoker, it’s just the 3 letter part beforehand I’m not getting. I’m assuming my checking letter is correct for 17a, so I’ve got the middle letter of the three, but can only make (INVHO) a complete word that seems very forced? Very grateful for help (& appreciate the patience!)

        • mary
          Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Poppy if the second part isn’t lit it’s ***?

          • Poppy
            Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Permalink | Reply

            Oh thanks, Mary. My original answer must have been correct – just not my vocabulary!!

  7. Rabbit Dave
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:22 pm | Permalink | Reply

    */*** for me. I whizzed through this very enjoyable puzzle but, like Nanaglugglug, I couldn’t work out 22a, so many thanks to Gazza for the hint. Thanks very much as well to the setter and to BD.

    Although I understand the word play for the second syllable of 24a, I’m not sure how the first two letters of 24a are clued.

    • mary
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:34 pm | Permalink | Reply

      No I don’t understand that either colmce

    • gazza
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink | Reply

      It’s a synonym for ‘beside’ in a phrase like ‘the weather is nothing beside what it once was’.

      • Rabbit Dave
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Thanks again. I wouldn’t have understood that in a million years!

      • mary
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:40 pm | Permalink | Reply

        I see the synonym but I’m afraid I just don’t get the rest!

        • gazza
          Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:52 pm | Permalink | Reply

          What is a someone with a title like Sir Bradley Wiggins?

          • crypticsue
            Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink | Reply

            Someone who did well in the cycling?! :D

            • pommers
              Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Permalink | Reply

              You must mean Queen Becky – the Queen has retired, long live the Queen :grin:

          • mary
            Posted February 24, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

            I give up, got my thick hat on!

            • crypticsue
              Posted February 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Permalink | Reply

              You’ll need it if you come to see me. If you have the solution to 24a written in, say the last five letters out loud and think about what Gazza says above. I expect I will hear the penny drop on the other side of the country.

              • mary
                Posted February 24, 2013 at 2:20 pm | Permalink | Reply

                OK hat off! That is another I would never have understood! Thanks sue and gazza :-)

                • mary
                  Posted February 24, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink | Reply

                  I would have thought the synonym needed ‘next’ in front of it?

    • Kath
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 7:37 pm | Permalink | Reply

      . . . and even after all that I STILL don’t get it. :sad: I’m sure that there is nothing left to add but . . .

      • una
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink | Reply

        A frequently silent letter, often before n, is actually omitted

        • una
          Posted February 24, 2013 at 8:16 pm | Permalink | Reply

          that’s the first time I ever tried to assist someone ! I must be improving.

  8. mary
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Did all but two of this before going for a walk on the beach at Llansteffan, still can’t do 19d, any help gratefully recieved, also don’t understand how 24a works?

    • mary
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:37 pm | Permalink | Reply

      A lovely afternoon of rugby and soccer coming up :-)

      • nanaglugglug
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Another word for ‘lose’ with a ‘P’ (pressure in it

        • mary
          Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Permalink | Reply

          thanks nana how stupid am I once again?!!!!!

        • gnomethang
          Posted February 24, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Permalink | Reply

          nanaglugglug is blogging this soon ;-)

    • mary
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Permalink | Reply

      I have the answer but just can’t ‘see’ how it works!

    • Balliejames
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 5:00 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Mary, I am in South Africa but have my best mate in Llanstephan, Big Bill, do you know him?

  9. crypticsue
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Another great Sunday puzzle, thank you Virgilius. I particularly like the way 24a references the Hollywood Awards scheduled for later on today. Thanks to BD for the hints too.

    I presume Mary is still having different weather to the whole of the East of England. I went out to the dustbin just outside the backdoor and that was enough of a walk in the freezing wind for me.

    • mary
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Not as nice as last week sue but hat coat gloves and scarf and it was a lovely walk along the beach and back along the headland path, haven’t been up to doing it for ages so chuffed today :-)

  10. Tantalus
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 3:11 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Overcast and cool in Boston. Thx to setter and the BD crew. Mrs T and I gave it 4/4.

  11. Derek
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 3:44 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Another good end to the week from Virgilius!

    Faves : 11a, 17a, 21a, 22a, 3d, 13d, 17d & 23d.

    Overnight and today, snow again! Most of it has gone but now it is sleeting with a mild northern wind.

    Reckon the gas bill will be enormous this winter!!

    • Kath
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 7:39 pm | Permalink | Reply

      How can you have a mild northern wind?

      • Derek
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 9:48 pm | Permalink | Reply

        By mild I mean not strong!

        • Kath
          Posted February 24, 2013 at 11:35 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Ah – give in. When you said mild I thought you meant temperature rather than strength! SO dim today. :sad:

    • andy
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 9:10 pm | Permalink | Reply

      like Kath, i’m bemused, unless north west rather north east. Dogs back from Glasgow today into my new house, i’m convinced it was warmer there than east anglia, absolutely biting. Electric and gas bills, groans…

      • Derek
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 9:51 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Hi andy!

        I lived for many years in the west of Scotland and dear auld Glesca!

        • una
          Posted February 24, 2013 at 10:11 pm | Permalink | Reply

          you seem to have been almost everywhere !

          • Derek
            Posted February 25, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Permalink | Reply

            Una!
            I am a very fortunate person in that I travelled widely both because of work and with my late wife when on holiday.
            I haven’t been everywhere as we had to cancel one trip due to the start of the Gulf War and we never got round to repeating that!
            Later when she became seriously ill other projects went down the drain so we were left with good memories of what we had achieved.

            • una
              Posted February 25, 2013 at 11:21 pm | Permalink | Reply

              I am happy for you, that you and your late wife had a full and interesting life!

        • Poppy
          Posted February 25, 2013 at 9:33 am | Permalink | Reply

          For over twenty years I was south of Glasgow in a tiny village amongst the grouse moors. Like an alpine village in the snow, but with fearsomely strong midges in the summer!

          • Derek
            Posted February 25, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Permalink | Reply

            Hi Poppy,

            I must have eaten thousands of such midges when camping al fresco in the west of Scotland and barbecuing food outside!

            It is amazing how one survives!

  12. Merusa
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I started off at a gallop, but like many before me, failed at 22a, and not sure I am right with 23d but assume it’s a Brit thing. I immediately got 17a, remembering Ariadne and Theseus, but stupidly put an “a” instead of “o” and missed the reason why. Back to my trusty iPad for spelling and penny immediately dropped. I enjoyed this one immensely, thanks to all.

  13. Annidrum
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 4:05 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I enjoyed that. My favourite was 22a .What a clever clue! Thanks to Virgilius &BD. And Scotland won the rugby!!

  14. jezza
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 4:17 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Many thanks to Virgilius for the excellent puzzle, and to BD for the hints.

  15. Nora
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Flurry of snow here in Valencia this afternoon. Think it froze my brain as I found this really hard – or should I blame the cocktail and four course lunch?

    • una
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink | Reply

      just the fourth course.

  16. una
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 7:17 pm | Permalink | Reply

    A very pleasant puzzle ,except that I’m baffled by 13d.

    • una
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 7:38 pm | Permalink | Reply

      worked it out myself ,finally, (well not quite by myself, online anagram solver helped).Thanks to Virgilius and Big Dave.And thanks for all the tuition over the last 6 months.

  17. Kath
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 7:53 pm | Permalink | Reply

    One of the advantages of being late to the party is that, usually, someone has already asked about any problems that you may have had. That has certainly been the case today except I STILL don’t understand my first two letters for 24a. Perhaps I’ll just have to wait for the review.
    Really out of sync with myself today – didn’t start crossword until late afternoon which always throws me. Very enjoyable. Will try, just for a change, to keep this brief.
    Some of these caused problems but more from the why is my answer right than actually getting the answer.
    My favourites included 9 and 14a and 1 and 16d.
    With thanks to Virgilius and BD.
    The lesson that I have learnt today is that, when daughters have been home for the weekend, NEVER expect whatever they have nicked to be where it was when the little dears decided to help themselves to it!! Still hunting . . .

    • jezza
      Posted February 24, 2013 at 8:41 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Hi Kath
      Re 24a, your first two letters are a preposition for ‘beside’, or against.

      • Kath
        Posted February 24, 2013 at 11:39 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Thanks jezza – I’m sort of getting there but still not very keen. And still hunting for things that daughters have put somewhere other than where they found them in the first place – just wait until yours are a bit older . . .

  18. andy
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 9:32 pm | Permalink | Reply

    enjoyed this a great deal, completed in very reasonable time for a Virgilius, who normally causes me enormous headaches and d’oh moments in equal measure. Thanks to BD too

  19. gnomethang
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink | Reply

    The top half was super-quick, the bottom half took longer but all in all a very satisfying solve.

  20. gnomethang
    Posted February 24, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink | Reply

    I’d pay to watch Bbbill Bbbbailey play that cover!

  21. Heno
    Posted February 25, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink | Reply

    Thanks to Virgilius and to Big Dave, a very entertaining puzzle. Needed the blog to sort out 22a, apart from that I managed ok. Favourite was 2d. Was 3*/3* for me.

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