ST 2670 (Hints)

Sunday Telegraph Cryptic No 2670 (Hints)

Hints and tips by Big Dave

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As is usual for the weekend prize crosswords, I will select a few of the more difficult clues and provide hints for them.

Don’t forget that you can give your assessment of the puzzle. Five stars if you thought it was great, one if you hated it, four, three or two if it was somewhere in between.

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Most of the terms used in these hints are explained in the Glossary and examples are available by clicking on the entry under “See also”.  Definitions are underlined in the clues.

A full review of this puzzle will be published after the closing date for submission

Across

1a           Punish in court in a way, way that’s most excellent (6)
A punishment doled out by a court followed by the abbreviation for a way

4a           Upset about ring getting damaged (6)
Upset, as in the milk that it’s not worth crying over, around the letter shaped like a ring

8a           Propeller sailors put on side (8)
The complement of sailors on a ship preceded by side or arrogance

13a         Labour group in dispute turned to top man about girl (7,5)
Reverse (turned) a dispute then follow it with the top man in a monarchy, the single-letter Latin abbreviation for about and a young girl

16a         Players’ part in theatre the prior cast revised (9,3)
… these players provide the accompanying music

21a         Communicate mathematician’s sin, from what we hear (4)
Sounds like (from what we hear) the trigonometrical function sin

Sine

24a         Is liable to seek attention, creating disorder (6)
A verb meaning Is liable to followed by an interjection uttered in order to seek attention

25a         Timid about dreadful din or disturbance (6)
A word meaning timid around an anagram (dreadful) of DIN

Down

1d           Untrue stories about monarch producing discord (8)
Untrue stories around the single-letter Latin abbreviation for a monarch

5d           A piece of wood traveller put up as garden structure (7)
The A from the clue, a piece of wood used on a fire and a travelling salesman, all reversed (put up in a down clue)

7d           Overly influenced and impressed with design (6)
An adverb meaning overly and a verb meaning influenced or directed

9d           Turn cold — add something warming, a jacket (11)
A verb meaning to turn followed by C(old) and something that warms the house or car

17d         Pass on education, primarily, in place such as this (7)
A mountain pass followed by the on side in cricket and the initial letter (primarily) of Education

21d         Wretched Danes in carriage two guys held up (5)
An anagram (wretched) of DANES

If you need further help then please ask and I will see what I can do.

As this is a Prize crossword, please don’t put whole or partial answers or alternative clues in your comment, else they may be censored!


Today it’s Happy Birthday to Christopher Biggins (64) and Liv Ullmann (74)
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54 Comments

  1. mary
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Good afternoon Dave, I did this in the early hours of the morning, not being able to selep and the only one I didn’t really understand was 17d, I assumed the word for a limb was to do with cricket but wasn’t sure so thank you :-) , I would give it a three star because it took me ages to get started! bottom half came together first and I got stuck on 4a because I was trying to fit 1a in there!!! I blame the early hour! No stand out likes today but all in all an enjoyable and very workable crossword with the usual perservation, off later, two of grandsons taking me to see Nativity 2 (danger in a manger) and for food afterwards, I’m paying of course ;-), they don’t really need me with them to go to the cinema anymore, so I’m honoured :-)

    • spindrift
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

      Enjoy your time with the grandsons!

      • mary
        Posted December 16, 2012 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

        Thanks :-)

  2. crypticsue
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Took a while to get started on this one but I enjoyed the process of working it all out very much.

    Lovely and sunny in Kent today – mince pies and ginger cake for the naughty corner.

  3. Kath
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Where is everyone today – I thought that I was late!
    I found this the most difficult Sunday crossword for ages – it’s stopped me from doing anything else for most of the morning – never mind – it’s not as if I have other stuff that I should be doing, given that it’s now only nine days until Christmas!!
    The first read through of all the clues yielded three answers – oh dear – not a good start. Then got a few more and so on and finally finished but it really has taken a long time.
    I needed the hints to explain the first four letters of 8a – that’s one of the words I always forget. Also needed them for part of 17d – it’s cricket – say no more! I got into a muddle with 21d and the two guys – was looking for names, which there are but couldn’t make sense of them – irrelevant! – just me being dim. Missed 23a for far too long – when WILL I learn – perhaps never!!
    I enjoyed the whole crossword – favourite clues 10, 13, 16, 21 and 24a and 2 and 5d. Absolute favourite 9d.
    With thanks to Virgilius and BD.
    Still have NTSPP to stop me doing anything useful for a bit longer! :smile:

    • mary
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

      Doesn’t look as though anyone will be in the naughty corner today sue, they must all be out Christmas shopping!

      • mary
        Posted December 16, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

        Sorry Kath in wrong place :-) I took ages to get going on this one and nearly gave up but perservated and got there in the end, 17d I had a suspicion it was to do with cricket in part but wasn’t certain until I read Daves hints, right off to cinema now then Franky and Bennys I’m a glutton for punishment, hey ho it’s Christmas, good will to all men etc. it’s not always easy, too many men and not enough good will ;-)

        • Kath
          Posted December 16, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

          Have fun – PLEASE don’t say it’s Christmas yet – nowhere near ready. I suppose that doesn’t make much difference as it’s going to happen whether we’re ready or not. Somehow it always sneaks up on me just when I’m not looking!

    • mary
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

      Hope you get a bit more company on here later on

  4. Attila Thehun
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    I started from the SE, worked towards the SW and NE. Quite enjoyable for a Sunday over a late latte.

  5. Only fools
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    The mental mechanics needed stoking this morning and what better way to do it than with this puzzle .Terrific . 2* / 4 .5 * for me .
    Beautiful sunshine and a positively balmy 5C in N .Yorks .
    Thanks once again .

  6. mary
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    No wonder we’ve got no sunshine, it’s all in Yorks and Kent :-(

    • pommers
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

      It’s not here today Mary! Cloudy but quite warm.

      • mary
        Posted December 16, 2012 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

        cloudy and 7deg here pommers!

        • pommers
          Posted December 16, 2012 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

          Sun came out about half an hour after my post! Very pleasant afternoon.

  7. Colmce
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Found this one a bit of a struggle, didn’t seem to have the same smoothness as a usual Sunday puzzle.

    Any way eventually got it sorted, not helped by fat finger syndrome resulting in juxtaposed letters.

    Thanks to BD for hints.

    Thanks to setter.

    Temp soaring to double figures, still sunny in Kent …on the righteous?

  8. pommers
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Splendid stuff as usual on a Sunday. Tricky enough to be interesting but not a mind-bender.

    I think 19d was favourite but there are a lot of good clues.

    Many thanks to Virgilius and BD. Off to bar now to meet some friends for a beer or 3 :grin:

    • Kath
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

      Spent ages trying to make 19d ‘frying’ then got 20a and had an absolute brainwave and turned 19d into ‘recipe’ for quite a while! :roll:

      • Tantalus
        Posted December 16, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

        Kath, We too had the same conclusions – does this mean that providing incorrect answers will not result in the naughty corner? (although I do recall BD censoring “Drapery” when the correct answer was “Tracery”. So by not being censored, can I conclude that between Recipe and Frying that we only have a single letter correct?). 40F in Boston.

        • Kath
          Posted December 16, 2012 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

          I don’t think that we’re giving much away here so probably not about to be summoned to naughty corner. Forget about oil being something that is used for cooking and consider something else it could be used for.

  9. Roger
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    It took me a couple of hours to do this, I found it quite difficult. This is my first post on this blog, which I like a lot. Thanks to everyone who contributes. What I mostly do is to look at it after I have finished to try and understand why the answer is what it is. i am sure we have all done the same. ” I know the answer is xxxxxx but I don’t know why ”
    I live on the Cote d’Azur so I always do it on the Ipad App, which is the only reason I subscribe to the Telegraph App in fact. It has meant that I have got better doing anagrams in my head rather than writing the letters down on a piece of paper….

    Weather here is gorgeous….we walked the dog on the front in Bordighera this morning, had a cappucino overlooking the sea crashing onto the beach as it has been stormy for the last few days, and I have just finished the crossword sat in my garden in the sun. Must be nearly 20 degrees I think, but two days ago it was only 3 when I left to go to work.

    All the best to you all. Roger

    • gazza
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

      Hi Roger – welcome to the blog.
      Now that you’ve introduced yourself I hope we’ll hear regularly from you.

    • Tantalus
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

      Welcome… sounds like you could be a romantic novelist?

    • Kath
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

      Whenever I do anagrams in my head they nearly always go wrong! In fact doing that has so often ended up in complete disaster that even if I’m sure I still write the letters down.

    • Kath
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

      PS Welcome from me too.

  10. Derek
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Another nice one from Virgilius.

    Faves : 10a, 12a, 21a, 24a, 2d, 7d, 15d & 19d.

    6d we had not very long ago!!

  11. MikeT
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    I really don’t understand which part of the clue for 17D gives us the 3 letter word in the middle of the answer, which BD refers to as ‘the on side in cricket’ – which I do understand.

    • gazza
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

      It’s the second word of the clue.

      • MikeT
        Posted December 16, 2012 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

        Of course it is – how did I not see that? Thanks Gazza

  12. Vorkorsigan
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    After a very fast start, still stumped on 19d to complete!

    • gazza
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

      19d Specification for cooking steak in oil, for example (6)
      It’s a double definition. How you might specify to a waiter your steak preference and what oil is an example of in the world of art.

      • Vorkorsigan
        Posted December 16, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

        Thanks, as usual glaringly obvious when you finally see it.

        • Doodah
          Posted December 16, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

          Oh yes! So it is. Got totally stuck on this clue. Thanks so much. Love the blog and find the comments endlessly fascinating.

    • Kath
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

      My last one in – couldn’t do it at all and only saw it when I got 24a which was my second to last one.

  13. Sweet William
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    I am afraid I chickened out here, having been away for the night, not read yesterdays papers, not read todays papers, Homeland and SPOTY on TV etc etc, I went as far as I could ( not v far ! ) and took some of your hints BD to move things on. feels like cheating really ! I think I might have needed hints anyway, particularly at 17 d to explain the wordplay. It was so well disguised. Thank you Virgilius and BD for much needed hints.

    • Kath
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

      What is SPOTY? Am I missing something?

      • Sweet William
        Posted December 16, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

        Sportsview Personality Of The Year !! At least we have had a good year this year and many wonderful champions to celebrate !

        • gazza
          Posted December 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

          Come on Wiggo !!

          • pommers
            Posted December 16, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

            Wiggo has my vote too, but I suspect Jessica Ennis might be the favourite – “The Face of the Olympics” and a very pleasant young lady as well, even if she is from Yorkshire (also she’s a fantastic athlete!).

            • gazza
              Posted December 16, 2012 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

              My prediction is:
              1. Sir Bradley
              2. Jessica Ennis
              3. Mo Farrah

              • pommers
                Posted December 16, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

                Hmm – tough one to call IMHO. Any of those 3 but all contenders are in with a shout.

      • Kath
        Posted December 16, 2012 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

        Thanks for replying – should have known that it was a ‘boy thing’ and should also have known that it would have been better not to ask!! :smile:
        Going off to do ‘girly stuff’ now – couldn’t watch the dancing yesterday but have recorded it so here I go! :grin:

  14. Heno
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to Virgilius & to Big Dave for the hints. Enjoyed this a lot, but found it very difficult, needed 5 hints so far. Was 4*/4* for me. I’m still stuck on 20a,got all the checkers, sure It’s an anagram, please any help would be most welcome.

  15. Heno
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Gnome’s Law just kicked in, just got 20a :-)

  16. 2Kiwis
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    We found this one quite a lot harder than the usual Sunday offering, it took us ages to find an entry point. More like Toughie time for us, but an excellent puzzle from a really skilful setter.
    Thanks Virgilius and BD.

    • Kath
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

      Oh good – I thought it was pretty difficult too. Wondered if I was losing my marbles . . .

  17. ChrisH
    Posted December 16, 2012 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Strangely, I found this one fairly straightforward, and this after a hectic day preparing a pre-Christmas family dinner for a step-daughter unable to come on Christmas day. Needless to say, she didn’t turn up. Don’t ask.

    • Kath
      Posted December 16, 2012 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

      Oh dear! That sounds a bit loaded so won’t ask. Poor you.

      • ChrisH
        Posted December 16, 2012 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

        Very, very complicated. No snub intended, just the outcome of a totally chaotic lifestyle. (hers, not ours!) The rest of us enjoyed a splendid feast (also minus stepson 2, called away at very short notice to Mexico of all places. 90 deg. C, so not very Christmasy there.)

        Thanks for your commiserations.

  18. Benbo
    Posted December 17, 2012 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    My first post on this excellent blog- hello to all!

    Probably a tad late to the party on this one…

    Wasn’t ST2670’s 5d the same as DT27,044’s 17d?

    Why does this happen (same setter? Pool of clues?)

    Bye for now,

    Benbo

    • Posted December 18, 2012 at 8:08 am | Permalink

      Welcome to the blog Benbo

      It’s usually a fluke. The two puzzles that you mentioned are from different setters.

      • Qix
        Posted December 18, 2012 at 9:26 am | Permalink

        This kind of thing is inevitable. From time to time, setters will spot the same wordplay ideas. For example, it can be difficult to resist the idea that SENATOR is an angram of TREASON.

  19. Cornish Pasty (not that there is any other)
    Posted December 21, 2012 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Was stuck on 24 across until I realized I had 19d wrong!

    • gazza
      Posted December 21, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

      Hi Pasty,
      You’ve changed your alias since your last comment over two years ago! This meant that your comment required moderation but both aliases should work from now on.