DT 26713

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 26713

Hints and tips by Gazza

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BD Rating – Difficulty **Enjoyment ***

Another Friday, another Giovanni puzzle. How did you get on with it?
If you want to see an answer just run your cursor through the space between the brackets under the clue.

Across Clues

1a  Visit Corby? That’s right out for me! (4,2)
{COME BY} – we start with a phrasal verb to visit or drop in. If you’ve not met this construct before it’s worth remembering it – “right out for me” indicates that the R(ight) has to be removed from Corby and replaced by ME.

4a  Country view, not golden (6)
{PANAMA} – start with a wide view and remove the heraldic term for gold to leave a Central American country.

8a  Be the lead singer in something Alice would wear? (8)
{HEAD BAND} – double definition – a phrase meaning to lead a musical group is also something that Alice (and not just Alice) might wear to hold back the hair.

10a  Recipe has famous cake-maker taking more risks (6)
{RASHER} – the abbreviation for R(ecipe) is followed by the name of a famous cake maker (not Mr Kipling!) who is also an actress.

11a  False son, one rescued from flood (4)
{SHAM} – an adjective meaning false or bogus comes from S(on) followed by the name of one of Noah’s sons.

12a  Instrument, one a bit rum when played (10)
{TAMBOURINE} – this musical instrument is an anagram (played) of ONE A BIT RUM.

13a  Invader pilot destroyed? That’s fortunate (12)
{PROVIDENTIAL} – a fairly obvious anagram (destroyed) of INVADER PILOT produces an adjective meaning fortunate or heaven-sent.

16a  They sing, having evening at home with good beers (12)
Almost all the singing may come from birds (12) (paper version)
{NIGHTINGALES} – birds noted for their singing come from a charade of a) evening time, b) a short word meaning at home, c) G(ood) and d) a synonym for beers. The clue in the paper requires an anagram (may come from) of AL(l) THE SINGING.

20a  Times for new doctors to march in? (6,4)
{DEGREE DAYS} – I spent longer on this clue than on all the rest combined. In the end I decided it was just a cryptic definition of the formal occasions when new graduates (and those who’ve been awarded honorary doctorates) line up and march past the university big-wig to receive their certificates, but I still have a nagging feeling that there’s something more to it that I’ve missed. Anyone with anything better?

21a  Heartless saying brings hurt (4)
{MAIM} – remove the central letter X from a saying or adage to leave a verb meaning to hurt or injure.

22a  Expounder of law initially threatening timid person (6)
{RABBIT} – an expounder of the Jewish law is followed by the initial letter of T(hreatening).

23a  Being a lover no longer, I have a painful feeling (8)
{EXISTING} – the well-disguised definition here is “being”. Start with a short word for a discarded lover and add I (in the clue) and a verb meaning to feel a sharp pain.

24a  Walks from road junction and maybe looks at instructions? (6)
{TREADS} – a verb meaning walks comes from a type of road junction followed by what one does to a user manual if all else fails.

25a  What sounds like bigger kitchen item (6)
{GRATER} – this kitchen implement sounds like a synonym of bigger.

Down Clues

1d  Revolution fighter’s recruit from a corner of England (8)
{CHESHIRE} – the usual South American revolutionary plus the ‘S are followed by a verb meaning to recruit to make a county in the North-West of England (though I wouldn’t say it was in the corner).

2d  Electronic device, kind seen above motorway (5)
{MODEM} – an electronic device used to convert signals from analogue to digital (and the other way) comes from a kind or sort followed by (above, in a down clue) the abbreviation in the UK for a motorway.

3d  Bishop endured being criticised severely (7)
{BLASTED} – the abbreviation for bishop in chess notation is followed by a verb meaning endured.

5d  Like some reasoning that’s excellent, senior monk admitted (1,6)
{A PRIORI} – insert (admitted) a senior monk inside the abbreviation for excellent to make a type of reasoning based on theoretical deduction rather than observation.

6d  A lake in the country somewhere in the southern hemisphere (9)
{AUSTRALIA} – A and L(ake) go inside a European country to make someplace down under. They don’t come much easier than this.

7d  Getting on a gee-gee, a German gets stuck (6)
{AGEING} – the nicely disguised definition is “getting on”. Put a German indefinite article (a German) inside (gets stuck) A and a shorthand way of writing gee-gee.

9d  Devil has various treats to reveal (11)
{DEMONSTRATE} – a verb meaning to reveal or show comes from a devil or evil spirit followed by an anagram (various) of TREATS.

14d  Illustrious monarch coming in to give power to five at the top (9)
{VENERABLE} – the definition is illustrious. Put the initials of our monarch inside (coming in) a verb meaning to give power to or authorise, then at the beginning (top, in a down clue) put the Roman numeral for five.

15d  Student has drink outside pub after end of swatting (8)
{BEGINNER} – a student or novice is constructed by putting an alcoholic drink around a synonym of pub which follows the end letter of (swattin)G.

17d  Welcomed extremes of temperance in environment of gluttony (7)
{GREETED} – put the outer letters (extremes) of T(emperanc)E inside another word for gluttony.

18d  Large number starting a commotion — more ultimately joining in, more revolting (7)
{NASTIER} – the definition is more revolting. Put the letter used for an unspecified (often large) number ahead of A and a commotion or furore with the ultimate letter of (mor)E inside (joining in).

19d  Overfussy schoolmaster perhaps putting boy into huff (6)
{PEDANT} – an overfussy person (an often quoted example being a schoolmaster) comes from putting an abbreviated boy’s name (Balls?) inside a verb meaning to huff or breathe heavily.

21d  Music composition test ends with fine arrangement (5)
{MOTET} – a piece of sacred choral music is an annual test followed by the ends of (fin)E and (arrangemen)T.

The clues I enjoyed most today were 1a, 8a and 23a. How about you?

Today’s Quickie Pun: {FORE} + {FITTING} = {FORFEITING}

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95 Comments

  1. Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    I worked steadily through this but was stuck on 20a. Like Gazza I thought it had to be the answer given but without much conviction. Thanks for the pic of Jane, I never tire of looking at her. :-)

  2. Lord Luvvaduck
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Yes, Gazza, we came to the same conclusion, after a long time, over 20a. Not a very useful clue. Otherwise, a bit of a romp.

  3. Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Gazza, the clue for 16A in the paper is different – ‘Almost all the singing may come from the birds’ same answer though

  4. Dickiedot
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Thanks for the review Gazza, only needed a little help with 24a , the newspaper edition has 16a as ‘Almost all the singing may come from birds’ a bit more difficult than your version, what? Thanks to Giovanni, enjoyable

  5. Franny
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Goodness, it looks like I’m first up today. I managed almost to finish this, though at first run-through I could put in no across words at all. I did better with the downs and managed to get almost through. 20a flummoxed me and I needed your help. Didn’t like it much. It also took me a surprisingly long time to find 4a and 7d. Many thanks for explaining 18d. My favourites were 4a (eventually) and 15a. So thanks once more to G&G.

    Now I’m off to man the gift stall at our church fête. Hope the sun shines tomorrow. :-)

    • Franny
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:14 am | Permalink

      No it wasn’t — I was 5th. I’m a slow writer.

      • Kath
        Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:20 am | Permalink

        I must be a slow writer too – when I started to type comment I was 3rd but by the time it got there I was 8th! Oh well, who cares? It’s not a race!!

  6. Domus
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Really difficult; depressingly so. 3* for me. God bless gazza..

  7. Phil
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    I think the construction for 21d is wrong
    It reads ‘test ends with fine arrangement’ which suggests ‘t’ with anagram of ‘fine’
    However to get the answer it should read ‘test with ends of fine arrangement’ or ‘test with fine arrangement ends’
    Just being a 19d really

  8. Kath
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    I found this quite difficult – ended up finishing it apart from 20a which defeated me completely. Also couldn’t explain 16a – the clue for this one in the paper is different. It is “Almost all the singing may come from birds” – still can’t explain it! I liked 1 and 8a and 15d. With thanks to Giovanni and Gazza.

    • Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:22 am | Permalink

      Its an anagram Kath.

      • Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:23 am | Permalink

        ish

        • Kath
          Posted November 18, 2011 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

          Thanks Skempie – I think it’s an anagram of “al” ie almost “all” plus “the singing” but can’t quite work out what the anagram indicator is. Never mind!

    • Posted November 18, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

      The indicator is ‘May Come From’

      • Kath
        Posted November 18, 2011 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

        Thank you – how dim am I? :oops:

        • Franny
          Posted November 18, 2011 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

          Not dim at all. I could never have worked that out — fortunately I had the Clued Up version, which I thought was very clever once the penny dropped.

          • Kath
            Posted November 18, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

            Thanks Franny, now I feel a bit less dim!! It took me a while although the answer was obvious.

  9. Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Another fine Giovanni today. got a little stuck on the SE corner because I was convinced that 21A had to be pain. Enjoyed (the paper version of) 16A and my fave rave today is 2D.

  10. gazza
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Thanks to skempie, Dickiedot and Kath for providing the paper version of 16a (which I prefer).

  11. Jezza
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    A couple of tricky clues in an otherwise straightforward puzzle.
    Thanks to Giovanni, and to gazza for the review.

    The Toughie by Notabilis was a struggle in places, but well worth the effort (in my opinion).

  12. Roland
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Like everyone else, I was stuck on 20a before putting in what it had to be. I don’t like the clue though. That phrase actually refers to a unit of measurement used in calculating heating requirements for buildings. If those units were “times”, the clue might make a bit more sense – sadly, they’re not. Apart from that, quite an enjoyable puzzle but not one of my favourite Giovannis. Thanks to G n G.

  13. Collywobbles
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    So far, so good. Memsahib off to Blighty tomorrow. Then I can spend more time on XWord

  14. mary
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Thank goodness the blog is up 20a driving me mad along with 19d, because I didn’t have 19d I was convinced the first word for 20a had to be charge! I don’t understand why it has to be doctors though??? also thinking on the lines of doc martins (the boots) don’t like it, once again why doctors? A puzzle of two halves for me, half went in really easily then took ages and ages to do the rest not finishing it because of 20, thanks for hints Gazza, you must be right but I remain unconvinced by that one :-)

    • gazza
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:39 am | Permalink

      Doctors because some of the degrees awarded confer the title of Doctor?

      • mary
        Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:41 am | Permalink

        yeeeeeees…………maybe :-)

        • eXternal
          Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:52 am | Permalink

          I thought doctors as an example of someone who might get a degree as indicated by the QM, perhaps?

          • mary
            Posted November 18, 2011 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

            Yes, you are both more than likely right, but…..

    • Lord Luvvaduck
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

      I can see why your thoughts went to Doc Ms – the word ‘march’ is really misleading. Perhaps in North Korea, but I cannot think of anywhere else where graduates march up to get their certificates.

  15. eXternal
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    I also cannot fathom 20a. I think it is probably a weak CD. Can’t see any wordplay at all. I think the surface is trying to make you think of ‘marching in time’. Still, I thought the rest of it quite nice.

    • gazza
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:55 am | Permalink

      Hi eXternal – welcome to the blog.

    • mary
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:59 am | Permalink

      Hi external, have you crossed from COW :-)

      • eXternal
        Posted November 18, 2011 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

        I certainly have, doing some research into DT puzzles to try and set my own to a similar standard.

        • mary
          Posted November 18, 2011 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

          thought there couldn’t be two of you

  16. mary
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Nice tambourine Gazza :-D

  17. Posted November 18, 2011 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    I struggled with 16a and got the answer without knowing why (I do now). 5d was a new one to me, had to google it to check I was correct. Thanks to Gazza for the explanations.

  18. mary
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Off to my ‘beginners’ art class now, see you later :-)

  19. eXternal
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    OK, think I may be able to clear up 20a now. I looked up doctor in Chambers and one of the defs is ‘someone holding a doctorate’, which cross refs to ‘a high academic degree’. So I think it is a CD for ‘when someone holding a new degree may march in’. Still, I agree with Lord Luvvaduck, marching seems a bit formal. I remember doing a sort of slouchy hop skip and a jump when I went up for mine.

  20. birdie
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    I’m also puzzled by 20a – what’s the significance of “march in”? Other than that, no real problems today. Thanks to Gazza and Giovanni.

    • gazza
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

      I spent some time wondering whether it was connected with the old saying “March comes in like a lion and goes out like a lamb” but got nowhere. I think it’s just that, in the surface, Giovanni is trying to paint a picture of medical doctors demonstrating (on a march) in these difficult times.

    • Prolixic
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

      Being an Oxford resident, Giovanni may have had in mind the formal days when graduates march / parade from their college in full academic dress to the Sheldonian Theatre to receive their degrees. The days on which they are conferred are referred to as degree days.

  21. crypticsue
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Giovanni for a very nice start to Friday morning. I did like 8a and 23a too. With regard to 20a, I have never seen the candidates for doctorates march – usually a slow amble while trying to find their mums in the audience! Thanks to Gazza for the review too.

    The Notabilis is a right proper Toughie as a Friday Toughie should be. Start with the RH side would be my advice.

  22. honestjohn
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    I must say I thought 19d was ‘dan’ inside ‘pet’ (I have just checked and see that my old Chambers gives ‘huff’ as one of the meanings of pet). However, your explanation works just as well.

    • crypticsue
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

      That was how I saw it too.

    • Posted November 18, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

      Hi honestjohn
      I was just about to post exactly the same but you beat me to it! That was my take on it too!

    • Jezza
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

      I parsed it the same – but I think gazza’s explanation is better; I have seen Ed in puzzles more that Dan.

      • crypticsue
        Posted November 18, 2011 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

        More often than not, Ed usually turns up as a head of a newspaper rather than a boy.

    • gazza
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

      I never thought of that. It’s possibly marginally better than my explanation, but I think they both work. Mrs Bradford does give “huff” as one of the entries under pant.

      • crypticsue
        Posted November 18, 2011 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

        Probably because you don’t have a sister, who when younger was famed for ‘going off in a huff’. :D

        • Kath
          Posted November 18, 2011 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

          Oh – so you’ve got one of those too – mine still does!! :smile:

          • Franco
            Posted November 18, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Permalink
            • mary
              Posted November 18, 2011 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

              I am one, don’t have one and don’t do that :-)

              • Kath
                Posted November 18, 2011 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

                I am one too, and don’t do that, but my sister does, always has done and, probably, always will do!! Makes having her here a touch on the tricky side sometimes …. :sad:

            • Kath
              Posted November 18, 2011 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

              Hmmmm – most of the time – don’t really have much choice in the matter, but, of course, neither does she!! It’s only the two of us!

    • Addicted
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

      Me too! I didn’t see “ed” and “pant” at all. Still, as you say, either works.

  23. Franco
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    16a – Different Clues in Paper and On-Line Versions. Why? Any ideas?

    This is the 2nd time this week – the first occurrence was in the Elgar Toughie No. 668.

    • gazza
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

      I think that Pommers gave a good reason for the difference in the Toughie (i.e. “Elgar” might not mean anything to on-line solvers) but I can’t see why the paper version of 16a (which I think is better) needed changing today.

      • Posted November 18, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

        Perhaps Giovanni will drop in and enlighten us on this and the pedant (I was in the “Dan inside pet” camp) matters

        • mary
          Posted November 18, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

          prefer Gazzas really but it doesn’t matter does it, still more interested in 20a

        • Kath
          Posted November 18, 2011 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

          I was more the “ed” inside “pant” camp but only because the alternative didn’t occur to me! I think that they both work perfectly. Perhaps that makes it one of the cleverest (is there such a word) clues ever! :smile:

  24. Posted November 18, 2011 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Godd afternoon all.

    First off – apologies to Big D, Chambers’ Dictionary and to Ray T for being a grumpy sausage yesterday. Onwards.

    Secondly warm greetings from 1D which I agree is not really a corner of England but is still the only County that has been a Principality courtesy of Richard II. This earth this realm this England. (Altho that was John of Gaunt – when he was poorly).

    • Posted November 18, 2011 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

      No problem WB. We’re a friendly and forgiving lot here as long as you don’t engage in Yodaspeak (see Excalibur Toughies passim)

    • Kath
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

      LOVE the expression “grumpy sausage”! :smile: In our family whenever someone is feeling down, either mentally or physically, they are always referred to as being ” a bit of a poor pig”!

    • Kath
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

      Having just re-read that I think that being a “poor pig” beats being a “grumpy sausage” every time! :smile:

  25. Brian
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Given up with today’s, only managed the top left corner. Even then, i couldnt see what 8a had to do with Alice or 11a was to do with ham. At least a 4 star today for me with respect to difficulty. Found it all rather depressing.

    • Chris
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

      There’s a hairband called an Alice Hairband, I think

    • mary
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

      Don’t worry Brian, when I started doing these 2 yrs ago I couldn’t even guess at most of Giovannis crosswords the only one I seemed to have any chance with was Rufus on a Monday, however with the help of this blog and many books and electronic devices! I find I can usually manage a ‘Givanni’ these days, so don’t give up, you’ll get there with a little perservation and help :-) this blog and everyone on it is amazing, I would never manage without it

    • crypticsue
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

      Had you been a girl in the 1950s, you would have worn one so would have no trouble in remembering it :)

      • Kath
        Posted November 18, 2011 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

        I was a girl in the 1950’s – I CERTAINLY never wore one – however I do remember them very well from the poor girls who were MADE to wear them!

        • Posted November 18, 2011 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

          My sister did – much to my amusement!

  26. Chris
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Like many of you, I was stuck on 20a. Not wholly convinced by answer … its just not a phrase that I’ve heard used; universities use funny terms like commencements for days when degrees are conferred.

    I have seen two of these clues before (at least very similar) in other crosswords: 4a and 6d, which is disappointing.

    Best clue was 22a !

  27. Addicted
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    I struggled somewhat with this one, partic SE corner, but did eventually finish, though needed Gazza’s hints to explain a few. Agree with others about 20a but once I narrowed the first word down, degree was about the only one that made any sense. 3*** for difficulty for me.

  28. Collywobbles
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Finished, very satisfying. Thanks to G&G, I needed to use a couple of the hints

  29. Roger
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Like many others stuck on those few clues. Can I explore this business of abbreviations a bit more…sometimes arbitrarily chosen IMO. For example 10..R(ecipe)….no indication given. So is R really an accepted abbreviation for Recipe? If so, is there an online source of abbreviations ? Or is the online source, Chambers Dictionary….just take the first letter of every word ??!! [wink and smiley emoticon]

    • Posted November 18, 2011 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

      … only if you have the full dictionary. Chambers have stopped providing the online service based on their Big Red Book, but I use WordWeb Pro with the Chambers (and ODE and SOED) add-ons.

      The cheapest reference is Chambers XWD – a Dictionary of Crossword Abbreviations which is available from Amazon.

    • Posted November 18, 2011 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

      If you have a UK library card you might be able to get into the OED online. Keying in R gives about 250 acronyms starting R!
      Doesn’t include recipe but does have a great one from the world of computers – RTFM – Read the *ucking Manual!

  30. Derek
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Slightly more puzzling fare from The Don this Friday.
    Faves : 16a, 20a, 23a, 5d, 7d & 15d.

    20a was the puzzling bit – I kept thinking and singing “When The Saints Come Marching In” – but it did not clarify the matter for me!

    Grilled chicken tonight with rode wijn comme d’habitude.

    Weather today went back to Indian Summer!

    • Posted November 18, 2011 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

      Lucky you – been peeing down here all day.

  31. Anncantab
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Some quite tricky ones today, but none the less enjoyable.

    I don’t remember my Oxford daughter marching to the Sheldonian, on the contrary her college provided a very nice lunch beforehand for the graduands and parents, and a porter told them to drink as much as possible as it was the only time the college was generous !

    Re 24a, obviously written by a man as they are notorious for trying to avoid reading the instruction manuals.

    Thanks fro hints, needed on several occasions today.

    • Posted November 18, 2011 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

      Difference between men and women?

      Women read instruction manuals to find out how something works, men read them to find out what they’ve done wrong!

  32. Anncantab
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    You can see i didn’t learn to type !

    • Franco
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

      Obviously typed by a woman! :wink:

      • Anncantab
        Posted November 18, 2011 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

        Multi tasking as usual !, typing and planning supper

  33. jaehancock
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    I was definitely ‘dan’ in ‘pet’ for 19d until coming here, but ‘ed’ in ‘pant’ works just as well. 20a had me stumped until I got the down letters and then I sort of guessed. I hadn’t heard of this term, but found it in the dictionary, but still don’t understand the ‘march in’ part of the clue. In fact, I found this a puzzle of two halves. The top half being really easy, and the bottom half being much more obscure.

  34. jaehancock
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    PS: nevertheless, many thanks to Giovanni for the setting and Gazza for the unravelling.

  35. Kath
    Posted November 18, 2011 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    What a lot of comments for a week day! Off to bed now – we’re going to Birmingham tomorrow to help elder daughter who has just moved house! Suspect that I will be consigned to garden to do some much needed sorting out while her Dad will do the “clever stuff” like electrical bits (? too clever for me) and various other things that I can’t do! Hope that I might get the chance to look at the crossword at some stage – will probably need some help so PLEASE don’t all disappear too early! :smile:

  36. Posted November 18, 2011 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Nice review Gazza but – could we not have had a video of Bob Dylan, or even The Byrds, singing ‘Mr Tambourine Man’ for 12a?

    • gazza
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

      No sooner said than done.

      • Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

        Gazza – BRILLIANT! Sounds of my youth! Used to have a copy of this on vinyl but since long gone missing.
        Thanks muchly – forgotten how much I used to like Dylan – need to find an excuse for Blowin’ in the Wind!

      • Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

        Watched this 3 times now – thanks a bunch. I’ll have to look out some more Dylan on youtube.
        What I can’t remember is why, as a 12 year old boy in 1965, I knew exactly what this song was all about and my mum thought it was about a street musician! I never told her!

        • Franco
          Posted November 19, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

          pommers, I doubt if you’ll ever read this, but a good clip of “Mr Tambourine Man” is from the 1965 Newport Folk Festival – when Dylan was booed by some fans when he first played with an “electric” backing group.

          The Byrds version was the first single I ever bought! How much was that in L.s.d in 1965?

          Dylan – Newport Folk Festival 1965

          • Posted November 19, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

            Singles used to be 6/8d – except for Decca which where 6/4d

      • Posted November 18, 2011 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

        Done ‘Like a Rolling Stone’ and now doing ‘The Times they are a’changeing’! Thanks again foir the reminder.

      • Posted November 19, 2011 at 12:07 am | Permalink

        Just found ‘All along the Watchtower’ (but I prefer the Hendrix version). Gotta go now as we’re away early tomorrow – might be back Sunday evening with more memories – where did my vinyl go?

    • Franco
      Posted November 18, 2011 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

      pommers, 12a – I agree completely.

      Words and all by the Byrds!

  37. Heno
    Posted November 19, 2011 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to the two G’s. I quite enjoyed this, but had to look up 2 answers, 20a and 19d. Favourites were 4 and 21a & 5d.