DT 26690 (Hints)

Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 26690 (Hints)

The Saturday Crossword Club

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Greetings from Calderdale’s finest NHS holiday camp. I have just escaped the Matron for half an hour to return the favour that Big Dave did for me yesterday

It’s Saturday and here’s today’s Prize Puzzle, As usual, no answers and a few hints. A pleasant enough solver from our Mystery Setter (don’t think it’s Cephas) and I don’t think too many will be taxed by it. Have a great weekend and if you do finish this, have a look at the NTSPP puzzle going up in a wee while.

Many thanks to Phil McNeill for providing today’s puzzle, which can be downloaded from the previous post.

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A full review of this puzzle will be published after the closing date for submissions.

Across

1a Mark isn’t included (10)
A hidden answer. Hidden in the second word is a punctuation mark. Which one?

6a Nick Nolte’s first to get in drink (4)
A word meaning a nick or a cut is found by taking N (Nolte’s first) and inserting it inside a word meaning to take a short drink of something

10a Books are full of these judgments (9)
A cryptic definition. A word for judge’s pronouncements is the same as something found in every book and every one of these postings.

27a Where farmer can keep things from wife — right inside bar (5,4)
A building found on a farm is made up of what a cockney would call his wife and a word that means forbid with R (for right) inside.

30a In a vulnerable manner, ill sheep slaughtered without one knowing (10)
An anagram of LL SHEEP ( “Ill sheep” without I) is added to a word that means knowing or knowing in a cunning way.

Down

1d Losing head, is angry for a long time (4)
Take a word that means ‘gets angry’ and remove the first letter to reveal something that means ‘periods of time’.

2d Living things in grass? Mom almost in a frenzy (9)
I did wonder whether we had a new American setter today! Don’t think I have seen Mom in an English crossword before. An anagram of IN GRASS and MO (Mom almost) will reveal a biological word for Living Things.

8d Step outside steamship with awfully green travellers (10)
A word means travellers is revealed by taking a word meaning a step in ballet, and inserting the abbreviation for a steamship and an anagram of green.

14d Where you might see flowers swing to and fro close to Epping Forest (4,6)
Good grief! A clue where flower means thngs that grow rather than rivers! The name for somewhere you may find alpine plants is revealed by taking a word that means to swing back and forth (like a cradle) and adding to it G (the close, ie last letter of EPPING) and the name of a famous forest in Warwickshire used in Shakespeare’s As You Like It.

23d Scoundrel beheaded animal (5)
The name for the creature featured in the film Ring of Bright Water is found by removing the first letter of an old word for a cad or scoundrel.

25d Race goes almost round Britain (5)
Take a word that means ‘goes’ or ‘attempts’ and place it around B (for Britain) and you have the name for a group of people.

Enjoy your weekend and I’ll see you soon!


The Crossword Club is now open.  Feel free to leave comments.

Please don’t put whole or partial answers or alternative clues in your comment, else they may be censored!


The Quick crossword pun: {suite} + {meets}  = {sweetmeats}


78 Comments

  1. mary
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    I really enjoyed this one today and didn’t seem to need so much ‘help’ as usual :-) fav clues 24a and 23d but I liked lots of them

    • Collywobbles
      Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

      Right Mary, I’m off the naughty step. Can you help with 6a

      • mary
        Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

        You need a three letter word for drink as in ‘to drink’ withe the ‘N’ from Nolte’s to get a word for ‘nick’

        • Collywobbles
          Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

          Tks Mary

        • Steph
          Posted October 25, 2011 at 8:53 am | Permalink

          I know its Tuesday but Im slow thisweek, Ive got what I think is the answer to Bachelor going after love – wait and see (answer being wait and see) but I cant for the life of me see where Bachelor going after love – comdes into it? HELP

          • Posted October 25, 2011 at 9:15 am | Permalink

            4d Bachelor going after love? Wait and see (7)

            The definition is not “wait and see” but “see” – to wait on is the last five letters of the answer!

            • Steph
              Posted October 25, 2011 at 10:40 am | Permalink

              and Bachelor going after love?

          • andy
            Posted October 25, 2011 at 10:42 am | Permalink

            Bachelor going after love – O (love – think tennis scoreboard) followed by B (bachelor) then a 5 letter word meaning to wait or more precisely,as BD says above, to wait on.

      • Kate
        Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

        The definition is the first word of the clue. Then follow the instructions in the rest of the clue to get that definition!

        • Collywobbles
          Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

          Don’t worry you 2, I’ve got it

          • mary
            Posted October 22, 2011 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

            You finished Collywobs??

      • Scrabo
        Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

        Enjoyed = was able to do today’s puzzle. Sorry Mary but this might be a 2* job. Can’t help with 6a Collywobbles without getting into trouble myself.

        • mary
          Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

          Hi Scrabo, ‘enjoyed’ doesn’t always = ‘was able to do’ , sometime I can do them but not enjoy them at all, today I enjoyed it because the clues are mostly of a type I like, and yes of course you do enjoy it ‘more’ if you can do it :-) I agree with a 2* today, at least for myself

  2. Kate
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    For once I seemed to be in tune with the setter and got through this relatively quickly and without too many problems which has made me very happy on a dry and decidedly cool day in Barcelona. Managed to print from the DT for the first time of asking too so a great start to the weekend. I think my favourite clue was 1a – it took me a while till the penny dropped.

    • mary
      Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

      I think 1a is very clever Kate :-)

      • Kate
        Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

        Agreed – I must admit I needed the checking letters before I got it. Sorry about the result yesterday Mary. My other half is French so you can imagine the excitement in our household.

        • mary
          Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

          Well unfortunately I have to wish you luck tomorrow then Kate :-)

          • Kate
            Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

            I’m not sure Mary. Considering what they did to Wales and England, I think they deserve a good thrashing. Particularly as they lost two of their group matches. It doesn’t seem fair does it?

            • mary
              Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

              No it doesn’t unfortunately but c’est la vie! Come on New Zealand then! :-)

              • Franco
                Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

                Who is the referee tomorrow? (Or is it already “today” in NZ?) Is he someone who speaks both fluent English and French?

                A major flaw of RU is that the referee’s interpretation of the rules seems to be paramount! How one man can see what’s going on in rucks and mauls is beyond me! Allez Les Bleus!

                Had to cheat on my last one in today – 1a – thank you my electronic friend!

                • Caravaggio
                  Posted October 22, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

                  The referee is the South African Craig Joubert, who was in charge of the New Zealand v Australia semi-final and I thought that he handled it well.

    • Warren
      Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

      Annoyed with myself re 1a – have seen it (or similar) a few times now but it still caught me out for an unreasonably long time.

      • Nora
        Posted October 22, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

        I’ve been caught out by this before, but as they say, you learn by your mistakes. Given that the misuse of this wonderful ‘mark’ is one of my pet hates, I’m determined not to let it catch me again!

        • Kath
          Posted October 22, 2011 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

          You should see some of the “stuff” around here – for example “Children and Ladie’s Clothing” – makes me want to go and hit them – I suppose the kinder/better option would be to go and suggest how they could improve their advertising!! Maybe not ….

  3. Caravaggio
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Like Mary, I too enjoyed this puzzle and, after a slow start, I soon picked up speed and had little difficulty in completing it. In view of the problems which the majority of you are experiencing with the Telegraph site, I am glad that I’m still taking the newspaper.

    • Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

      Wot? You’re not downloading the puzzle from here!

      • Caravaggio
        Posted October 22, 2011 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

        You’ll perhaps recall my saying that I’ve been sending in the Telegraph cryptic crossword for some 25 years and never won it but I’m not going to throw in the towel yet, Dave. However, I would be interested to know whether an entry for the prize competition would be accepted if I downloaded it from here, printed it off and sent in that version. Perhaps Phil would be kind enough to offer some guidance.

        • Posted October 22, 2011 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

          I am sure that it would be acceptable.

          • Caravaggio
            Posted October 22, 2011 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

            Thank you for that, Tilsit. I’ve been watching your progress in ‘Only Connect’ with interest, although I keep getting distracted by Ms C…

        • Posted October 22, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

          I’ve checked with Phil McNeill, at they can be submitted. Take advantage while you can!

    • Nora
      Posted October 22, 2011 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

      The site is recuperating now. I’ve been using it without problems for about a week now, though they are still working on it. I hope the people doing the work are being paid a rate for the job and not by the day, otherwise it will be costing a fortune and our subs might go up!

  4. mary
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to Tilsitt for hints, in 30a I seem to have an ‘L’ I can’t account for in the answer?

    • Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

      Hi Mary it’s L L SHEEP (Ill minus I). The other L is part of the three letter word at the end.

      • mary
        Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

        Ah, thanks tilsit< I was reading it all wrong! not unusual for me :-)

  5. Captain Lethargy
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Thought it was a really easy one today. Went through in almost one sweep. Not usual for me. Loved 22a.

  6. Digby
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Brain ache this morning, so this was a gentle enough, painless challenge. Thanks for the notes, Tilsit. I think your explanation of 25d needs to include the “almost” part.

  7. Lea
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Just finished – agree with your comment re 2d – have never seen it spelled that way here but it is definitely that way in Canada (and US).

    Tilsit – I enjoyed Monday night’s competition – keep doing well – am cheering for you and your team. Haven’t been on the site since last weekend so haven’t had a chance to comment about it.

    • mary
      Posted October 22, 2011 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

      Hi Lea nice to see you, hope you’re keeping well and are now fully recovered? :-)

      • Lea
        Posted October 22, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

        Thanks Mary – doing very well. So well in fact that I have been ferrying a friend around who has sciatic nerve problem and another elderly friend who had a fall and need TLC. Hopefully next week I have a bit of time to myself so can get back in to the routine.

        Sorry about Wales – was at a dinner on Monday night for the Montgomeryshire Society and it was the main topic of conversation after the weekend.

        Keep well – how are things with you?

        • mary
          Posted October 22, 2011 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

          Could be better but then again could be a lot worse, so keep smiling, that’s the best :-)

          • Lea
            Posted October 22, 2011 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

            Sorry to hear that things aren’t hundred percent but I suppose as we get older everything starts wearing out – you are right – best is to keep smiling

    • Franco
      Posted October 22, 2011 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

      Tilsit, did you enjoy last Monday’s “Only Connect”?. I thought it was fiendish! Even from the comfort of my living room! Surely, it cannot get any more difficult! Good Luck for the next round!

      • Posted October 22, 2011 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

        Yes it was fun and VC is a great host! I am being haunted by The Duke of Bat!

        It might just get a bit harder……..

        • Posted October 23, 2011 at 1:36 am | Permalink

          Bat, Squeak, Squeak, Duke of Bat (Squeak, Squeak) etc. Sorry Dave!

  8. mary
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Beautiful suuny day here today with cloudless blue skies but a very cold wind unfortunately

  9. Kath
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    I thought that this was quite an easy one for a Saturday – they do seem to be, to me anyway, either very easy or very difficult. Didn’t need any hints today. 1a took me a long time – stupid as I’ve seen that kind of clue lots of times – they ALWAYS catch me out! Also took a while to find the right numbers of the right letters to sort out 30a even though I had the answer quite quickly. For some reason the last one for me was 15a. Really liked 10, 19 and 27a and 4, 7, 8, 14 and 20d. With thanks to the setter and Tilsit.

  10. Jezza
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Gentle, but fun. Thanks to setter, and to BD. I liked 30a.

    • Jezza
      Posted October 22, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

      My apologies – Thanks to Tilsit (I was on auto pilot)!

  11. wingnut
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    I jumped in feet first and put “back ******” in for 14d. Then I could only think austere for 15a (last to go) until the penny dropped after looking at the review. Thanks for putting me right. Apart from that not too difficult.

  12. Collywobbles
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Just finished. Very enjoyable puzzle. Tks for hints Tilsit, they were very useful

  13. pommers
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Pretty straightforward but it felt a bit strange to me for some reason I can’t put my finger on. Could it possibly be the ‘Sword Lady’ having a go at the back page?
    Anyway quite enjoyed it and thanks to setter and Tilsit.

  14. Derek
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    A pleasant, not very taxing, puzzle today.
    Faves : 1a, 27a, 2d & 14d.

  15. AtH1900
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    A painless morning … before SWMBO dragged me off shopping :(. 1a did catch me in a blank moment.

    Being Norman by ancestry I should be supporting France tomorrow, but Kiwis eat les grenuilles so my vote is with the All Blacks to demonstrate France’s luck in getting to the final.

  16. Brian
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Please someone put me out of my misery and give me a hint for 13a, the only left that’s driving me nuts!

    • Warren
      Posted October 22, 2011 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

      An alternative clue might be ****.

      • Posted October 22, 2011 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

        Please read what it says above about alternative clues. They add nothing to the understanding of the existing clue.

        • Warren
          Posted October 22, 2011 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

          Humble apologies, didn’t see it & then posted again – leave you to delete, sorry.

          • Posted October 22, 2011 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

            No problem! Keep the alternative clues for clue-writing competitions.

            • Warren
              Posted October 22, 2011 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

              Out of interest, is the inability to edit or delete one’s own posts a wordpress thing or a choice you have made? The various other forums I post on do give this option so you can censor yourself if you’ve made a flying rooster (4,2).

              • Kath
                Posted October 22, 2011 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

                Love the expression “flying rooster” (4,2) – will now be looking for the next opportunity to use it!! :grin:

                • Warren
                  Posted October 22, 2011 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

                  Feel free to do so Kath. Well, when I say free, shall we call it £1 royalty a pop?

              • Posted October 23, 2011 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

                It’s a WordPress thing!

    • Posted October 22, 2011 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

      The wordplay is easy – you want A and a part of a golf course, then drop the N(ame) from the end. The difficulty is with “own” being the definition and I can find no provenance for this. Just for once we will probably concur that this is a poor clue in a lacklustre puzzle.

      • gazza
        Posted October 22, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

        Own can mean to recognise or admit, as in “I own that I have a liking for frivolity”.

      • crypticsue
        Posted October 22, 2011 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

        Chambers defines own in many ways and I took the soltuion to refer to the ‘acknowledge’ or ‘recognise’ definitions.

      • Franco
        Posted October 22, 2011 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

        Concise OED ThesaurusI own that he is right

        “Admit, allow, concede,grant, acknowledge,recognize and also 13a .

      • Kath
        Posted October 22, 2011 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

        Oh good – this was the only one that I had trouble explaining. Looked in Chambers and there was nothing that was completely right but didn’t think it was worth arguing about in the comments. Everything else made sense so I decided to let sleeping dogs lie .. Think that I’m about to go and be a “sleeping dog” ie going to bed now. Sleep well all. ZZZZZZZzzzz

  17. Rod Ash
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Solved this sitting in the sun waiting for the steam train at Exeter.1a required the most thinking, and like BigD I didn’t think much of 13a. and thanks to Tilsit for explaining 14d.

  18. mikef
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Wow! I must be improving since I finished it with no hints required.

    • Kath
      Posted October 22, 2011 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

      Well done to you mikef! :smile:

  19. Heno
    Posted October 22, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to the Mysteron and Tilsit for the hints, which for once I didn’t need. I enjoyed this puzzle, it seemed “happy” somehow. I found it quite straightforward, favourites were 14&both 21’s.

  20. carrie
    Posted October 23, 2011 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    Enjoyed this and found it surprising easy not withstanding using todays hints and tips.

    Thanks to setter and BD

  21. cruisenuts96
    Posted October 23, 2011 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Thx for the hints. Top left corner proved a problem – esp 1a – could kick myself now!! 15a had me struggling too. Otherwise am enjoying trying to improve. Thx again.

  22. rupe
    Posted October 23, 2011 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Started a day late – now finished with more difficulty than others seen to have faced. I don’t understand the answer to 13a, can anyone explain why the answer is what it is please?

    • rupe
      Posted October 23, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

      Ignore me – not sure how I missed that whole discussion above!

  23. marquetryman
    Posted October 23, 2011 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Only started on it today and just needed an explanation for 14d, though several I had the answer and then had to work out why it was right! My favourite was 1a, and I thought there were a few too many missing letter/nearly anagrams this time.

  24. Weekend wanda
    Posted October 24, 2011 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    A round of mixed fortunes for me. Some v good clues and some less so. Golf not my subject but got with help of wikepedia on golfing terms. Only one word fits 15a I think but apart from it being “offensive” I don’t know why,

    • crypticsue
      Posted October 24, 2011 at 8:37 am | Permalink

      15a is a reversal of a two letter common expression used when someone doesn’t smell very nice, followed by a word meaning an unseemly display of emotion.