Daily Telegraph Cryptic No 26247 – Hints
Big Dave’s Saturday Crossword Club
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The usual few hints to get you started.
Don’t forget that you can give your assessment of the puzzle. Five stars if you thought it was great, one if you hated it, four, three or two if it was somewhere in between.
As is usual for the weekend prize crosswords, I will select a few of the better clues and provide hints for them. Gnomethang’s full review of this puzzle will be published on Thursday, 27th May.
1a A defeat that is humiliating (8)
This looks at first sight to be a double definition, but you mustn’t ignore that initial A to which you need to add a defeat to get a word meaning humiliating
15a Steal young animal having 40 winks (6)
The crime of “stealing” somebody is built up from a young animal and a short rest
28a Showed the way after Lorne Turner was registered (8)
Put a word meaning showed the way after a anagram reversal, indicated by turner, of LORNE to get a synonym for was registered
2d Robin might come clean here (8)
You might have one of these in the garden
8d Mineral from meadows, I left normal amount (8)
This abundant rock-forming mineral is constructed from another name for meadows, without the I (I left) combined with the normal amount of shots for a particular golf hole
17d Trying badly (8)
A cryptic definition of appealing to someone, even if wrong or unwise
25d Annoy Romeo on Corsica, say (4)
To get a word meaning to annoy combine the letter represented by Romeo in the NATO phonetic alphabet with the French for island (Corsica is an example)
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72 comments on “DT 26247 – Hints”
My rant for the day
How can top solvers rack up 30,000 plus points a day? This week, we saw the top daily accumulation hit 70,000!
Take the lower figure – 30,000. That’s 25 Toughies at 1,200 points each (so not allowing for the time bar of 24 hours to earn the Time Bonus on any one day). Maybe I’m slow, but it takes me around 45 to 60 minutes to solve most Toughies, so there are simply not enough hours in the day to earn 30,000 let alone 70,000 points.
PS after the rant, this was a straightforward but pleasurable crossword. Nothing to eally excite yet nothing to annoy.
PPS Still cannot The Bear Necessities out of my head from yesterday – “get with the beat baggy!”
Rupert, I made a similar comment/complaint to Cluedup many months ago, although they were aware of the problem, there was no way they could prove that there was any manipulation of the point scoring system by members!, they did put in a statement to say play by the rules, but obviously some people are above gamesmanship!.
There is a well-known bug on CluedUp which enables full time-bonus points on all archive crosswords, and presumably sudokus. I personally can’t be bothered with the points thing and don’t think many readers/contributors to Big Dave’s blog can either. It requires huge cheating to stay near the top of the page -utterly pointless bothering, because everyone knows……..
Oh Joy! Up early, downloaded from the internet and finished in about 25 minutes. This is the first time I have ever done it so quickly. Only one wobble when I read LONE instead of LORNE. It’s the way it prints out I think. Luckily my husband asked me who LORNE Turner was! Thanks for a puzzle that made my day.
Just a quickie. I think the first bit of 28a is a straight reversal, not an anagram, which makes the wordplay more precise.
Thanks for that Harry. Since all reversals are also anagrams it was easy to miss. especially at 1:30 am!
Yes, I got up earlyish and finished this along with my toast and marmalade — all except 26a, which I can only think is the name of a Roman poet, but don’t know why.
Have a good weekend, everyone.
26a Drop in from Italy (4)
The definition is drop, and you need to check the letters in the rest of the clue.
Thanks, Gazza, but I don’t see what else 12d and 19d could be. I still have the first and third letters of that poet.
It’s not a poet. It’s a hidden word meaning drop or leave out.
What about LEAVE THE DUCK WITH THE GERMAN as an alternative clue?
At last! Thanks so much, Gazza and Pamela — I was thinking of the noun rather than the verb. Now I can get on with my day.
Good clue, Pamela. Are you on COW?
At last! Thanks so much, Gazza and Pamela — ‘in from’ threw me. Now I can get on with my day.
Good clue, Pamela. Are you on COW?
Sorry, I know nothing, I’m from near Barcelona. What is COW?
It’s Do-It-Yourself Clue Of The Week – let your eyes wander to the right of this page where you’ll see Clue Writing Competition.
It’s the place to be and all are welcome regardless of experience.
I prefer LEAVE DUCK WITH GERMAN otherwise it looks as if the answer contains “der”
But that’s the double whammy. If one didn’t have19d one might just think Oder and connect it with a German River and without thinking it through put that in as the answer. That’s why I did add “the”. Never mind eh? Franny completed the crossword.
I too finished this early [although I buy the paper] and was amused by 2d as my robin has already made use of the ******** sending spray flying into the early morning sunshine. It is probably the best birthday present my Dear Beloved has ever bought for me.
Isn’t 8d one word? I think the desired 4,4 answer is wrong. Would like to hear views of any geologists!
If you click on the picture it takes you to the Wikipedia article about the mineral. I checked this in two dictionaries (Chambers and ODE) and the only alternate spelling I can find is that the fourth letter may be omitted.
Chambers on-line Word Wizard has it as one word.
My early morning download had it as one word of 8 letters, not 4,4.
Is it just me but 9a is puzzling or am I a bit slow on the uptake this side of the day?
It’s the posh name for what is dropped by Cockneys.
Thanks BD – still stumped!!!
To quote from Chambers:
“To pronounce with a full breathing, i.e. the sound of h, as in house“
Alternative clue :- Dropping silently like Jack Sparrow.
Please stick as closely as possible to the actual wordplay at weekends. If we start allowing alternative wordplays then the result will be chaotic. We will have a lot of comments along the lines of “think of xyz” which may help with the answer but not the actual wordplay in the clue.
Not being a subscriber to CluedUp I have no idea what all the ranting is about. But, judging by all the negative comments I read about it on this Blog, I suggest that malcontents vote with their cash and take out a subscription to the paper version. A gentle stroll through the village to collect it; an invigorating coffee; do the crossword; send it off; then make a comment on the blog. A bit on the easy side today, but not too bad for a Saturday.
Unfortunately my village shop is not open at midnight, nor on Sundays.
The points table is a side issue. Most, if not all, of the top twenty or thirty cheat by using a loophole to secure bonus points for out-of-date puzzles, and a lot of them use this blog for their answers. As such the table is useless and is best ignored. Let the cheats play their silly game and use the website for online access to the puzzles. Changes to the site are due very soon, so I await with interest how many loopholes are to be closed.
For those who don’t know, if you open a puzzle, save it, exit and come back in again you get the full bonus points however old the puzzle and however long you take. There are other loopholes that are best forgotten.
Big Dave – fair point, well made. Why not move to Heavenly Henfield? 6 good pubs within walking distance!
Our village has just one pub – but it is next door to me!
My bungalow is behind the trees in the centre of this picture, the pub is on the left.
Very serene and tranquil. What’s the local brew? Bank’s?
This was a nice little cerebral jog after the sat morning physical jog. Only one that gave me a headache was 20a-never heard of it. Favourite clue was 1d just for the mental image.
Reading historical novels helped me on that one!
Maybe I’m being particularly dim this morning but can’t make head or tail of 21a – have alternate letters and STILL can’t even think of a word that would fit, let alone have any relevance to the clue. Any hints gratefully received!
It’s a tye of blue (that artists use) – soft is the normal crosswordland letter and red is not really a colour
Thank you Claire – could have spent a long time mithering about that!
20a is one of those words whose continuing existence is owed to crossword compilers!
Finished but not happy with my answers for 27a & 17d
A good crossword for us and managed with just a couple of hints (not heard of 8d). Amazing! My only grouse today is 23a which, in my very humble opinion, should have been clued discovery rather than decision. Maybe that’s because I’m still very firmly seated in the CC! Favourites 1a, 28a &2d. Off out to enjoy more sun & maybe a stab at NTSPP
Claire, I agree with you on 23a.
Chambers Thesaurus has discovery and plenty more to choose from – but not decision. I had sufficient checking letters that the answer was obvious, so I didn’t dwell too long on this, but I too agree with you.
Could you email the clue/answer to 23a Dave?
I think that the answer in terms of an “important decision” can just about be justified if you think of the word when used in the context of negotiations between parties that are at loggerheads when a **** may be made in the negotiations when they are able to make important decisions where previously they have disagreed. Only partially convincing, methinks!
Gosh what a rotter.
Have got wrong answers to 1a, 9a.
Cannot do 13a, 17a,20a, 21a, 23a, 27a, 14d,17d,24d!!
Having received SO much help since discovering this blog maybe it’s time to give something back!
13a Think wartime sort of restrict
17a Right (of ownership)
20a It’s one of those that’s in the clue
21a See Claire’s response to my question
23 and 27a Can’t think of any clues without giving the answers
14d When a lease has ended
17d When someone is trying to persuade you to do something that you probably shouldn’t!
24d Another word for odd or spooky that, to me at least, has a more usual spelling – perhaps I’m wrong.
Well I cannot do SW corner. 16d anyone?
23a The first two words define the answer, the rest of the clue gives an alternative two word phrase which concatenate. As said above try discovery instead of decision.
27a “on edge” is literal here. Minor is in the sense of not so important.
Thanks again. Finished now. Some of these seem tenuous to me.
All done, no small thanks to Kath’s hints and Tilly’s link to the rather useful Word Wizard – thanks for those! Nice to finish one this week …
Hi All, down to the last one and stuck on 22d – any hints would be appreciated please?
22d One taking a lot of interest to be certain in old city (6)
The definition is one taking a lot of interest (i.e. someone who wants an extortionate rate of return for lending money). Put a synonym for certain inside the most famous (in Crosswordland at least) old biblical city.
Think Merchant of Venice
Thanks Gazza – think I was suffering from brain ache!
Thats it then – off to the garden with a cold beer seems the thing to do now
I liked 2d and 16d best. Also 28a.
I did not like 15a (steal?), 23a (decision?), or 17d
Hints for 26d please/?
I meant 16d
You want a device that goes bang (will give a report) after a set period.
Eureka! Got 9a at last. Too much sunshine in Hertfordshire, obviously. Off for a chilled burgundy as a reward.
It’s ready to post.
Did some of this before going away for the weekend. Have therefore left mother and father in law to finish it! Thanks for the hints Dave!
Got off to a flyer on this one, but became mired, and had the wrong answer for 9a.
Not sure about 23a, 6d and 17d are just not my type of clue, and joined up by the similar 17a, I had a big blank Z shape for ages!
20a pleased me as I worked out the answer having never heard the word. We had a similar one last week on holiday with “Stabat Mater”.
Hi bobness – bet you put ‘pretence’ like me – and then spent ages getting the correct answer! I’ve just got 17d and 17a to do [assuming others are correct] – any clues gratefully received!
Hi JohnF – welcome to the blog.
Kath has given hints to 17a and 17d in reply to comment #13 above,
HI may i ask what the Saturday Crossword Club is? thankyou
Welcome to the blog Alex
The Saturday Crossword Club is just my way of making the Saturday hints post into a friendly forum!
Thanks for the welcome Dave
Just came across the site when i was struggling with a clue for the online DT crossword.
I am a regular visitor now Keep up the good work
Any idea when Anax going to submit his 2nd installment of the ‘Compiler’s Guide’?? I am looking forward to it.
PS yeah it seems a friendly forum Hope my posts don’t upset that equilibrium :p
might help if i read some of the other posts to get the answer
We are hoping to have one chapter a week – watch this space!
or ‘Mad, loco hippy! (4)’ lol my rather feeble attempt an an abstruse all-in-one clue
By the way Dave, is there any way i can log in without having to type my particulars each time i post?
This is a recent problem to which I am still trying to find a solution. If you acquire a WordPress logon – free from WordPress, instructions in the FAQ – you should be able to stay logged on all the time.
ok will look into it
Thanks a bundle D
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